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MEGA Conference Realignment and lawsuits Megathread: Stories, Tales, Lies, and Exaggerations

Tony4Miami said:
Attention to all the replied to me. Again, I said I read about the travel concern and as someone pointed out, may have been Pac 12 hacks but here in one article I found.

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Meaningless ... not a consideration for anybody that the writer that put that article together. The B10 focus is on the ACC programs and ND, then in another 7-10 years the Pac NW.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
Actually, this is a hugely relevant question.

Let's say UM and F$U bolt.

WHO DID WE HARM? WHO OWNS OUR RIGHTS? WHO DO WE MAKE THE CHECK OUT TO?

Because it's a very different negotiation, depending on if the answer is "ACC" or "ESPN".
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That’s a very good point, with a lot of grey area.

At the same time, Miami and fsu need to get the money (BigTen) and figure out those details after the bag is secured
 
Rickd said:
Meaningless ... not a consideration for anybody that the writer that put that article together. The B10 focus is on the ACC programs and ND, then in another 7-10 years the Pac NW.
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Right but articles from last year or beginning of the year..
 
I've asked before but don't recall any replies.

If no announcements made by Monday July 31, movement finished until next Summer??!!
 
Rickd said:
Big factor for B10 membership, besides AAU membership, is involvement in research.

-Clemson U dramatically increased their research expenditures in 2022 to $109 million.

By Comparison:

-U of Miami $413 million
-FSU $328 million
-U of Michigan $1.7 Billion
-Ohio State $1.3 Billion
-Penn State $1.1 Billion

So Clemson isn't even scratching the surface to be considered "a major research institution", and will likely not be considered for AAU membership for some time and according to @Genetics56 ... Clemson met with the B10 several weeks ago ... it was agreed they weren't a fit for the B10 ... and therefore will most likely be SEC bound when they bail from the foundering ACC.
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Wow, I wasn't aware of the scale. Maybe they're priming themselves for the next jump.
 
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Tony4Miami said:
Attention to all the replied to me. Again, I said I read about the travel concern and as someone pointed out, may have been Pac 12 hacks but here in one article I found.

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Nobody is saying the words didn't get typed up by someone.

People are simply asking you to be intelligent and discerning and not to fall for every obvious bit of propaganda. ****, look at the words carefully:



"Last offseason, the Big Ten announced a bombshell move when it added West Coast prestige programs USC and UCLA, both based in the Los Angeles media market.

That decision helped the Big Ten sign a record media deal worth more than $7 billion over seven years, but it also raised concerns about travel and logistics.

Students from the two L.A. schools will have to travel a minimum of 1,300 miles to play road games, with Nebraska being the closest Big Ten opponent geographically.

That very real problem has inspired officials inside the Big Ten to consider adding more West Coast members to ease some of those travel requirements."



So let me see if I can comprehend what this interwebz writer would have us believe...

BELATEDLY, the Big 10 realized that Los Angeles was 1,300 miles from Nebraska, and then out of a concern for STUDENTS and their travel costs, they decided to add more west coast teams. Belatedly.

Uhhhhh, yeah, that's bull****.

The Big 10 knew what it was doing. They didn't get "inspired" by a sudden awareness of geography. All of that stuff above is just propaganda.
 
Ispyin said:
The other thing people don’t understand is you can only grant your rights for your home games so the Big Ten would benefit from getting Miami away games into their inventory.
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Yes, and if people like Bubba Cunningham and @NorthernVirginiaCane would focus on this, they would realize that IMMEDIATELY the maximum "damages" associated with GOR breach are cut in half. Immediately.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
Look, it's just ridiculous (not you, the ACC commissioner). After this, I hope Jim Phillips spends some time in jail for his crimes at Northwestern.

Jim Phillips (and his predecessor) are the absolute worst. It is the height of negligence to float comments (which lead journalists to report) that "expansion is on the table" when in the same conversation there are comments about how we haven't found anyone who "adds value".

Yep. ******* genius. "We want to expand, but nobody is good enough for us."

Go back and read my old posts. I've been saying that UCF and USF were two of the best expansion candidates out there. Not because I like them, but because they have MASSIVE student bodies in Top 20 TV markets. YES, on Day 1, UCF and USF will not offer comparable "value" to the mighty Syracuses and Boston Colleges of the world, but they will be huge assets in the long-term.

But anytime you raise that reality on CIS, you get hit with the double-barrel of (a) we don't want to raise the UCF/USF profile by putting them on our level, and (b) they don't deserve to be in the ACC and they don't bring enough value.

Yeah? Well the world is changing. And USF is now in the AAU and building an on-campus stadium. UCF has the on-campus stadium and I would be shocked if they aren't in discussions for the next wave of AAU invitations. If you want COMPLETE honesty, the Big 10 might be smarter to invite USF to join instead of UM, particularly given how many midwesterners move to the west coast of Florida, as opposed to Dade-Broward-Palm Beach. And UCF might end up in a BETTER position than any other ACC school that doesn't join the SEC or Big 10, at least from a financial standpoint, as they are getting a full share in the growing Big 12 without having to pay $120M in exit fees or GOR or anything else.

The ACC had its chances and blew them with arrogance and stubbornness. And if some posters want to sit around listening to @NorthernVirginiaCane 's lies about how Miami is stuck in the ACC until 2036, that's up to them. Meanwhile, I'm sure that the Big 10 can take USF and UCF to satisfy its entry into Florida in markets where Big 10 alums actually live (compared to Tallahassee and Miami).

The ACC is full of **** if they think that expanding into West Virginia is going to solve any of our problems. As if that would induce ESPN to double our TV payout to approximate what the Big 10 and SEC get.

But, hey, newspapers are reporting that the ACC "wants to expand". So I guess the Jim Phillips gambit had some sort of an impact. On people not informed enough to know what is really going on.
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"Yep. ******* genius. "We want to expand, but nobody is good enough for us.""

I thought the same thing. Nobody is good enough for the ACC? Yeah ok. What's their selling point? Come to the ACC where you're locked into the smallest TV deal for the next decade?

"But anytime you raise that reality on CIS, you get hit with the double-barrel of (a) we don't want to raise the UCF/USF profile by putting them on our level.

That was another good point.
UCF/USF are both good fits for the exact reasons you gave. Its not like Oklahoma had concerns about being in the same conference as Oklahoma St. Michigan doesn't fear MSU. USC doesn't worry about UCLA being on their level.

On the flip side, A&M took issue with Texas joining the SEC. Why? Because they aren't on Texas's level. UCF/USF will never be thought of the same way as UM. Never.
 
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Rickd said:
Big factor for B10 membership, besides AAU membership, is involvement in research.

-Clemson U dramatically increased their research expenditures in 2022 to $109 million.

By Comparison:

-U of Miami $413 million
-FSU $328 million
-U of Michigan $1.7 Billion
-Ohio State $1.3 Billion
-Penn State $1.1 Billion

So Clemson isn't even scratching the surface to be considered "a major research institution", and will likely not be considered for AAU membership for some time and according to @Genetics56 ... Clemson met with the B10 several weeks ago ... it was agreed they weren't a fit for the B10 ... and therefore will most likely be SEC bound when they bail from the foundering ACC.
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The Clemson numbers are wrong. In fiscal 2021, the latest year for published figures from the NSF, Clemson was at $237M versus $375M for UM and $328 for FSU. Clemson was always more of an undergrad school, but has been rising rapidly in research expenditures. For fiscal 2022 Clemson was up to $263M and the 22-23 year that just ended last month will probably be just under $300M. Agree that Clemson has much more to do to get towards an aau profile, but the reality is not as bleak as was stated in the earlier post, especially considering CU does not have a medical school where the vast majority of research money is spent.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Look, it's just ridiculous (not you, the ACC commissioner). After this, I hope Jim Phillips spends some time in jail for his crimes at Northwestern.

Jim Phillips (and his predecessor) are the absolute worst. It is the height of negligence to float comments (which lead journalists to report) that "expansion is on the table" when in the same conversation there are comments about how we haven't found anyone who "adds value".

Yep. ******* genius. "We want to expand, but nobody is good enough for us."

Go back and read my old posts. I've been saying that UCF and USF were two of the best expansion candidates out there. Not because I like them, but because they have MASSIVE student bodies in Top 20 TV markets. YES, on Day 1, UCF and USF will not offer comparable "value" to the mighty Syracuses and Boston Colleges of the world, but they will be huge assets in the long-term.

But anytime you raise that reality on CIS, you get hit with the double-barrel of (a) we don't want to raise the UCF/USF profile by putting them on our level, and (b) they don't deserve to be in the ACC and they don't bring enough value.

Yeah? Well the world is changing. And USF is now in the AAU and building an on-campus stadium. UCF has the on-campus stadium and I would be shocked if they aren't in discussions for the next wave of AAU invitations. If you want COMPLETE honesty, the Big 10 might be smarter to invite USF to join instead of UM, particularly given how many midwesterners move to the west coast of Florida, as opposed to Dade-Broward-Palm Beach. And UCF might end up in a BETTER position than any other ACC school that doesn't join the SEC or Big 10, at least from a financial standpoint, as they are getting a full share in the growing Big 12 without having to pay $120M in exit fees or GOR or anything else.

The ACC had its chances and blew them with arrogance and stubbornness. And if some posters want to sit around listening to @NorthernVirginiaCane 's lies about how Miami is stuck in the ACC until 2036, that's up to them. Meanwhile, I'm sure that the Big 10 can take USF and UCF to satisfy its entry into Florida in markets where Big 10 alums actually live (compared to Tallahassee and Miami).

The ACC is full of **** if they think that expanding into West Virginia is going to solve any of our problems. As if that would induce ESPN to double our TV payout to approximate what the Big 10 and SEC get.

But, hey, newspapers are reporting that the ACC "wants to expand". So I guess the Jim Phillips gambit had some sort of an impact. On people not informed enough to know what is really going on.
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Honest question..... Who's been more negligent in their positions:

Miami Hurricanes Leadership from Shalala- Pre-Rad or the ACC Commissioner?
 
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CU-SC said:
The Clemson numbers are wrong. In fiscal 2021, the latest year for published figures from the NSF, Clemson was at $237M versus $375M for UM and $328 for FSU. Clemson was always more of an undergrad school, but has been rising rapidly in research expenditures. For fiscal 2022 Clemson was up to $263M and the 22-23 year that just ended last month will probably be just under $300M. Agree that Clemson has much more to do to get towards an aau profile, but the reality is not as bleak as was stated in the earlier post, especially considering CU does not have a medical school where the vast majority of research money is spent.
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From all I have read it is a moot point and Clemson is most likely SEC bound if / when they bail from the ACC. There are AAU programs IN the SEC so the fact that they are increasing research investments does not necessarily mean their goal is to land in the B10.
 
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