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Coaching Staff 12/27 PM Update: Rumph, others

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Roe 15th said:
Yes we do...with better player development those guys could reach that level...imo
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People keep saying this. Better coaching will help us win in college. It will put our players in a position to shine and people will call that ‘development.’ Better skill training (‘development’) may matter but truthfully, we’ve sent guys to the nfl through years of mediocre coaching. What is a largely false premise is that somehow guys who had fancy reps when they came here would have been manufactured into nfl players if only the coaching was better. That’s a delusional view, for the most part. The NFL finds kids wherever they are, and our guys have still been going to the nfl over time. The reason fewer have been going in the top rounds of the draft is because we’ve had less talented guys. We’ve recruited less well and evaluated less well.

What happens around these sites is people get inflated views of our prospects, then are consistently surprised that they don’t become nfl all pros. Then they blame the coaches. Well, our coaches have sucked, but the all pro team has guys on it from places like buffalo, utah state, BC, Pitt, cincy, west alabama, texas tech, colorado, cal, south carolina, baylor.... And not so many from Alabama. It doesn’t take Alabama infrastructure to get kids there. It takes the kid and his heart and ability and dedication. What Alabama does is get more better kids on average, and put them in positions to succeed in college, and they do, more often than not.

Better development development and coaching will help us, and is a necessary ingredient to making progress. Better evals and recruiting will help us, and is necessary for next level success. But believing all our kids are future nfl stars if only our staffs polish them is just not true and not how it works.
 
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Ethnicsands said:
People keep saying this. Better coaching will help us win in college. It will put our players in a position to shine and people will call that ‘development.’ Better skill training (‘development’) may matter but truthfully, we’ve sent guys to the nfl through years of mediocre coaching. What is a largely false premise is that somehow guys who had fancy reps when they came here would have been manufactured into nfl players if only the coaching was better. That’s a delusional view, for the most part. The NFL finds kids wherever they are, and our guys have still been going to the nfl over time. The reason fewer have been going in the top rounds of the draft is because we’ve had less talented guys. We’ve recruited less well and evaluated less well.

What happens around these sites is people get inflated views of our prospects, then are consistently surprised that they don’t become nfl all pros. Then they blame the coaches. Well, our coaches have sucked, but the all pro team has guys on it from places like buffalo, utah state, BC, Pitt, cincy, west alabama, texas tech, colorado, cal, south carolina, baylor.... And not so many from Alabama. It doesn’t take Alabama infrastructure to get kids there. It takes the kid and his heart and ability and dedication. What Alabama does is get more better kids on average, and put them in positions to succeed in college, and they do, more often than not.

Better development development and coaching will help us, and is a necessary ingredient to making progress. Better evals and recruiting will help us, and is necessary for next level success. But believing all our kids are future nfl stars if only our staffs polish them is just not true and not how it works.
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Pointing to guys getting to the NFL is ananecdotal evidence. I think the point is that the guys who make it to the NFL are not high draft picks. How much would better coaching and development improve their draft stock?

For me, it's about finding guys that fit the program and getting the most out of them in college. It seems like teams like VT, Iowa, Wisconsin, etc., do more with less, and Miami does less with more. Those teams never rank higher than 30th in recruiting, yet put players in the NFL year in and year out. Manny needs to contact coaches from these teams and learn from them.
 
Caneillac said:
Chaney was coming here no matter what & it’s pretty obvious that Rooster chose the best of his remaining options. As far as Hickson goes, he’s sloppy & unorganized, his rotations suck, & Cam regressed a ton since last year. It’s like Hickson told the RB’s that they aren’t allowed to stiff arm or shake anyone. Cam looked like he was intentionally running directly into defenders. 🤷‍♂️

Brown pulled Lingard & Cam which as a collective on paper is better than Chaney & Knighton.
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Can't argue with the Cam assessment. He definitely didn't look like he progressed at all...
 
HighSeas said:
Fire the bartender and get a real recruiter FFS.

Funny how Patke can swing and miss on Greene yet we don't hear about his job being in jeopardy. Where would we be without his mediocre special teams and development of like 2 rostered players?
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Lol no one wants Patke here. Dude is a GA at best but we all know he and Banda aren't going anywhere.
 
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Caneillac said:
DeeJay was good for one chunk play a game & that really skews his YPC average. I would venture to guess that at least 50% of DeeJay’s runs were for 3 yards or less.
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He scored tds running and receiving despite anyone else on offense doing anything worth acknowledging...
 
nycane said:
Against uf gave up multiple big plays. You can’t win big with this defense. Every trick play works against us and every competent qb picks it apart. It’s been this way since manny got here
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I agree the defense is slightly above average but it’s good enough to win. The offense and special teams cost us the wins this year.
 
Insanecane said:
Rumph coming back is a travesty. Our corner play was at best mediocre. And of course his recruiting is poor.
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Rumph is middle of the pecking order for me for dudes who should have gotten canned

Enos
Barry
Patke
Stubbs
Banda
Baker
Rumph

My list of importance of them getting let go

Enos.... obvious
Barry.... obvious

Patke... glorified butt buddy of Diaz.. strikers all regressed.. STs is a joke outside of a dude he had no part in coaching up Hedley

Stubbs... can’t seem to gel with our WRs and seems to be below average at best on the recruiting trail. Cant be a bad coach and bad recruiter

Banda... another YES MAN for Diaz who has some talented safteys yet they struggled all season... plus I’m tired of his underwhelming recruiting

Baker.... DC by title only who has proven to be of ZERO value as it seems Diaz had to regain the reigns of the defense to help get them back... plus seems he sucks at coaching as he couldn’t get anyone ready besides a **** walk on to back up Pink by middle of the season. Oh and he sucks at recruiting

Rumph... dude is awful at recruiting... absolutely awful. But I respect his coaching and I think he does a good job with the dudes he has. Might be better in the nfl where his personality and recruiting didn’t matter but we are a college team and he seems he can’t get his own kids he grew up coaching to follow him
 
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nycane said:
It’s not all enos. Our offense kept us in the game against UF, we blew 4 and 17 against unc, got raped by va tech in first half
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You still living in a world where college football is played in the early 00s. Scoring 20 points in a high level game isn’t “keeping us in the game”. LSU’s offense kept them in the game against UF when that offense put 21 on LSU in the first half. Giving up 24 points against a top 10 team when 7 of the points were gifted by a muffed punt ain’t a bad performance. Throw in the fact that the defense picked UF off twice in plus territory too.
 
fincane said:
You still living in a world where college football is played in the early 00s. Scoring 20 points in a high level game isn’t “keeping us in the game”. LSU’s offense kept them in the game against UF when that offense put 21 on LSU in the first half. Giving up 24 points against a top 10 team when 7 of the points were gifted by a muffed punt ain’t a bad performance. Throw in the fact that the defense picked UF off twice in plus territory too.
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My point was against top teams. We ain’t stopping them wifh this defense
 
nycane said:
My point was against top teams. We ain’t stopping them wifh this defense
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Not even top teams. If this defense absolutely needs a stop, they can't get it. How many games did give up a late TD drive. UF, UNC, VT, GT. Even in games against FIU, Duke and La Tech a defensive stop was needed to get the offense the ball back for one last try and the defense gave up a TD instead. Our defense is awful in certain situations. We don't start or finish games strong. We play well after making adjustments and still not elite.
 
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Ethnicsands said:
What is a largely false premise is that somehow guys who had fancy reps when they came here would have been manufactured into nfl players if only the coaching was better. That’s a delusional view, for the most part. The NFL finds kids wherever they are, and our guys have still been going to the nfl over time. The reason fewer have been going in the top rounds of the draft is because we’ve had less talented guys. We’ve recruited less well and evaluated less well.
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Bravo. That paragraph should be stickied atop every thread throughout the offseason. It would serve to deflect the dependable nonsense around here.

At this point we're talking hundreds of players. Hundreds. This forum and most influenced by a handful of moderators prefers to believe that hundreds of players have underachieved as a group over the past decade or so. They assign blanket responsibility and condemnation to a handful of coaches.

Meanwhile, what is the most likely explanation...the caliber of the hundreds or the caliber of the handful?

It is the reason I have no respect or patience for the arguments on sites like this. Probability is butchered every step of the way. We'll just make the world anything we want it to be.
 
moshated305 said:
Not even top teams. If this defense absolutely needs a stop, they can't get it. How many games did give up a late TD drive. UF, UNC, VT, GT. Even in games against FIU, Duke and La Tech a defensive stop was needed to get the offense the ball back for one last try and the defense gave up a TD instead. Our defense is awful in certain situations. We don't start or finish games strong. We play well after making adjustments and still not elite.
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The defense has no strategy but blitz. It’s literally the blitz all function on madden
 
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