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Coaching, Salaries and the Coastal

Consigliere said:
The only thing holding us back, from that low bar, is our own incompetence. We have more than enough talent and resources but we fail simply because of our decision makers.
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That's a self-comforting narrative that allows you to sleep well at the asylum. Also, AD competence is entirely predicated around budget. Even the most competent AD in the entire sport can be rendered ineffective without proper financial resources. Which is why it's so crucial for this university to hire a dedicated COS of football operations, because the likelihood of the university being able to hire an AD with the requisite football acumen that can properly navigate these sort of budget constraints is unrealistic.
 
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craval85 said:
1.) Just because MIA paid Dan Enos the highest assistant salary in the division this past yr, doesn't mean the school is paying the most for coaching salaries, has the highest football revenue, or is even allocating the highest % of revenue to football. I'm confused as to why paying Dan Enos $1.5 proves that money is not holding the university back? What about spending on support staff, facilities, etc? How did MIA's football budget compare to the other coastal teams for the other 14+ yrs?

2.) In CFB talent can easily be negated without spending because the essential nature of the sport is developmental.

3.) Tradition is also irrelevant in this discussion because it doesn't determine future success.
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I don’t know man. We pay as much as our Division and we have the most talent yet we’ve won it one time. But even if we paid in the middle of our Division, we’re still not seeing the results we should with our talent advantages

All I’ll say is that I turned on this Louisville game and I’m seeing what a competent coach, in Satterfield, can do with less. He’s incrementally improves since losing to us and we’ve gone the other way.

It starts with hiring competent coaches who go out and do what they’re supposed to do.
 
Consigliere said:
Before I begin, the goal isn’t simply to win the Coastal, as that is an incredibly low bar. The point is to further explain who we’re competing with on a regular basis as we play six games against these teams in the Coastal.

As you read the post below, I present the following questions:
  • If you were starting from scratch, which HC(s) in the Coastal would you hire?
  • If you were starting from scratch, which coordinators in the Coastal would you want?
  • If it isn’t the money, what is holding us back from dominating the Coastal?
As a frame of reference, Dan Enos was paid $1,500,000 last season. The second highest salary for a coordinator in the Coastal was Bud Foster at $1,000,000.

Please Note:
  • Duke (like Miami) is a private school. They’re not required to share their salaries and I couldn’t find any information about them.
  • I couldn’t find a source for Pittsburgh and their salaries for assistant coaches/coordinators. If someone can find one, I will gladly update.
Duke

HC: David Cutcliffe ($2,670,000)

OC: Zac Roper

Co-DCs: Ben Albert and Matt Guerrieri

Total Assistant Salaries:


Georgia Tech

HC: Geoff Collins ($3,000,000)

OC: Dave Patenaude ($400,000)

DC: Andrew Thacker ($450,000)

Total Assistant Salaries: $3,205,000 [Brent Key is their highest paid coach and not a coordinator at $600,000]

Dan Enos made more than both coordinators and Brent Key combined. Dan Enos was paid ~50% of GT’s total allotment for assistant salaries.


North Carolina

HC: Mack Brown ($3,500,000)

OC: Phil Longo ($600,000)

Co-DCs: Jay Bateman ($600,000) and Tommy Thigpen ($500,000)

Total Assistant Salaries: $4,075,000

Dan Enos made almost as much (~88%) as their three coordinators combined and was paid ~37% of UNC’s total allotment for assistant salaries.


Pitt

HC: Pat Narduzzi ($3,214,000)

OC: Mark Whipple

DC: Randy Bates

Total Assistant Salaries:


Virginia

HC: Bronco Mendenhall ($3,700,000)

OC: Robert Anae ($550,000)

Co-DCs: Nick Howell ($550,000) and Kelly Poppinga ($375,000)

Total Assistant Salaries: $3,400,000

Dan Enos made more than their three coordinators combined. Dan Enos was paid 44% of UVA’s total allotment for assistant salaries.


Virginia Tech

HC: Justin Fuente ($4,000,000)

OC: Brad Cornelsen ($490,000)

DC: Bud Foster ($1,000,000)

Total Assistant Salaries: $3,670,000

Dan Enos made more than both of their coordinators combined. Dan Enos was paid ~41% of VT’s total allotment for assistant salaries.

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Older Posts

Post #1: https://www.canesinsight.com/threads/52-33-under-blake-james.153380/#post-4281375 [The Tenure of Blake James]

Post #2: https://www.canesinsight.com/threads/i-can’t-defend-manny.152274/page-36#post-4243964 [Talent Myth]

Sources

Source #1: https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/football/assistant

Source #2: https://businessnc.com/n-c-governors-salary-is-less-than-5-of-mack-browns/

Source #3: https://www.si.com/college/duke/football/where-does-david-cutcliffe-rank-in-acc-coachs-pay

Source #4: https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/

Source #5: https://www.post-gazette.com/sports...sburgh-panthers-football/stories/201901140117
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Please Stop with the not spending money. We spent money and here we are.
 
craval85 said:
Also, AD competence is entirely predicated around budget.
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AD competence is determined by the competence of the AD. If your AD is a simp who needed 5 years to graduate from Minnesota State Mankato, then perhaps he isn't competent. If the AD wants to throw $4MM at Temple for the rights to promote the DC from a failed regime, then that isn't competent. That is waste. That is irrational and unnecessary.

craval85 said:
Even the most competent AD in the entire sport can be rendered ineffective without proper financial resources.
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I agree that if you totally hamstring the best AD in the country and remove their tools (e.g. resources) then the results will suffer. That is like saying if I chop off Mike Tyson's arms and ask him to box, the results will suffer. Of course.

With that said, our AD is NOT competent. In addition, the Coastal is NOT the place where the resources are known to fly. The coaching in the Coastal is sub-par as is the competition.

craval85 said:
Which is why it's so crucial for this university to hire a dedicated COS of football operations, because the likelihood of the university being able to hire an AD with the requisite football acumen that can properly navigate these sort of budget constraints is unrealistic.
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Why not just bring in a better and competent AD?

craval85 said:
That's a self-comforting narrative that allows you to sleep well at the asylum.
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Do you want to have an actual discussion or do you want to tell me that winning the Coastal is “actually one of the highest bars set in the entire country”?
 
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RVACane said:
I don’t know man. We pay as much as our Division and we have the most talent yet we’ve won it one time. But even if we paid in the middle of our Division, we’re still not seeing the results we should with our talent advantages

All I’ll say is that I turned on this Louisville game and I’m seeing what a competent coach, in Satterfield, can do with less. He’s incrementally improves since losing to us and we’ve gone the other way.

It starts with hiring competent coaches who go out and do what they’re supposed to do.
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There is no one in the Coastal that has more talent than us. I am also unclear who all these great coaches in the Coastal are either. Finally, it isn't the money spent on the salaries of said coaching that is preventing us from having success in the division.

Perhaps if we had a competent AD, say Danny White and allowed them to run athletics, then the results would be better.
 
CFLCane said:
Check the disparity from Alumini related booster support at Clemson and UM and "Volleyball expenses" at Clemson vs UM.

Volleyball expense is a drop in bucket and womens sports are Title IX
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I am a UM booster. I have no doubt that Clemson is currently better. That’s on Blake. I don’t get pushed at all to give more.

Now, women’s volleyball was actually included due to title IX. It was representative of non revenue generating sports. It seems like we have a bunch of women’s sports to balance out the football team. If all non revenue generating sports total a drop in the proverbial bucket, I would suggest that football generate for football and all the non generating sports be funded via other means. That said, I am not convinced that non revenue generating sports are a drop.

This now gets us back to Blake focusing on getting some money from all of us alumni. I have to seek them out. I definitely get the feeling my yearly 1k isn’t enough for them to bother chasing me down. I get one email about perfection. Think I got a couple on my 5 season tickets. Seems weak.

Now, my graduate college has its **** together and does chase me down. Miami could do much better. Billionaire contributors are great. But some grass roots push would help,imo.

went fast on this. Have to go shovel snow. Best. Just an opinion.
 
Consigliere said:
Before I begin, the goal isn’t simply to win the Coastal, as that is an incredibly low bar. The point is to further explain who we’re competing with on a regular basis as we play six games against these teams in the Coastal.

As you read the post below, I present the following questions:
  • If you were starting from scratch, which HC(s) in the Coastal would you hire?
  • If you were starting from scratch, which coordinators in the Coastal would you want?
  • If it isn’t the money, what is holding us back from dominating the Coastal?
As a frame of reference, Dan Enos was paid $1,500,000 last season. The second highest salary for a coordinator in the Coastal was Bud Foster at $1,000,000.

Please Note:
  • Duke (like Miami) is a private school. They’re not required to share their salaries and I couldn’t find any information about them.
  • I couldn’t find a source for Pittsburgh and their salaries for assistant coaches/coordinators. If someone can find one, I will gladly update.
Duke

HC: David Cutcliffe ($2,670,000)

OC: Zac Roper

Co-DCs: Ben Albert and Matt Guerrieri

Total Assistant Salaries:


Georgia Tech

HC: Geoff Collins ($3,000,000)

OC: Dave Patenaude ($400,000)

DC: Andrew Thacker ($450,000)

Total Assistant Salaries: $3,205,000 [Brent Key is their highest paid coach and not a coordinator at $600,000]

Dan Enos made more than both coordinators and Brent Key combined. Dan Enos was paid ~50% of GT’s total allotment for assistant salaries.


North Carolina

HC: Mack Brown ($3,500,000)

OC: Phil Longo ($600,000)

Co-DCs: Jay Bateman ($600,000) and Phil Longo (600,000)

Total Assistant Salaries: $4,075,000

Dan Enos made almost as much (~84%) as their three coordinators combined and was paid ~37% of UNC’s total allotment for assistant salaries.


Pitt

HC: Pat Narduzzi ($3,214,000)

OC: Mark Whipple

DC: Randy Bates

Total Assistant Salaries:


Virginia

HC: Bronco Mendenhall ($3,700,000)

OC: Robert Anae ($550,000)

Co-DCs: Nick Howell ($550,000) and Kelly Poppinga ($375,000)

Total Assistant Salaries: $3,400,000

Dan Enos made more than their three coordinators combined. Dan Enos was paid 44% of UVA’s total allotment for assistant salaries.


Virginia Tech

HC: Justin Fuente ($4,000,000)

OC: Brad Cornelsen ($490,000)

DC: Bud Foster ($1,000,000)

Total Assistant Salaries: $3,670,000

Dan Enos made more than both of their coordinators combined. Dan Enos was paid ~41% of VT’s total allotment for assistant salaries.

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Older Posts

Post #1: https://www.canesinsight.com/threads/52-33-under-blake-james.153380/#post-4281375 [The Tenure of Blake James]

Post #2: https://www.canesinsight.com/threads/i-can’t-defend-manny.152274/page-36#post-4243964 [Talent Myth]

Sources

Source #1: https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/football/assistant

Source #2: https://businessnc.com/n-c-governors-salary-is-less-than-5-of-mack-browns/

Source #3: https://www.si.com/college/duke/football/where-does-david-cutcliffe-rank-in-acc-coachs-pay

Source #4: https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/

Source #5: https://www.post-gazette.com/sports...sburgh-panthers-football/stories/201901140117
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Consigliere said:
Before I begin, the goal isn’t simply to win the Coastal, as that is an incredibly low bar. The point is to further explain who we’re competing with on a regular basis as we play six games against these teams in the Coastal.

As you read the post below, I present the following questions:
  • If you were starting from scratch, which HC(s) in the Coastal would you hire?
  • If you were starting from scratch, which coordinators in the Coastal would you want?
  • If it isn’t the money, what is holding us back from dominating the Coastal?
As a frame of reference, Dan Enos was paid $1,500,000 last season. The second highest salary for a coordinator in the Coastal was Bud Foster at $1,000,000.

Please Note:
  • Duke (like Miami) is a private school. They’re not required to share their salaries and I couldn’t find any information about them.
  • I couldn’t find a source for Pittsburgh and their salaries for assistant coaches/coordinators. If someone can find one, I will gladly update.
Duke

HC: David Cutcliffe ($2,670,000)

OC: Zac Roper

Co-DCs: Ben Albert and Matt Guerrieri

Total Assistant Salaries:


Georgia Tech

HC: Geoff Collins ($3,000,000)

OC: Dave Patenaude ($400,000)

DC: Andrew Thacker ($450,000)

Total Assistant Salaries: $3,205,000 [Brent Key is their highest paid coach and not a coordinator at $600,000]

Dan Enos made more than both coordinators and Brent Key combined. Dan Enos was paid ~50% of GT’s total allotment for assistant salaries.


North Carolina

HC: Mack Brown ($3,500,000)

OC: Phil Longo ($600,000)

Co-DCs: Jay Bateman ($600,000) and Tommy Thigpen ($500,000)

Total Assistant Salaries: $4,075,000

Dan Enos made almost as much (~88%) as their three coordinators combined and was paid ~37% of UNC’s total allotment for assistant salaries.


Pitt

HC: Pat Narduzzi ($3,214,000)

OC: Mark Whipple

DC: Randy Bates

Total Assistant Salaries:


Virginia

HC: Bronco Mendenhall ($3,700,000)

OC: Robert Anae ($550,000)

Co-DCs: Nick Howell ($550,000) and Kelly Poppinga ($375,000)

Total Assistant Salaries: $3,400,000

Dan Enos made more than their three coordinators combined. Dan Enos was paid 44% of UVA’s total allotment for assistant salaries.


Virginia Tech

HC: Justin Fuente ($4,000,000)

OC: Brad Cornelsen ($490,000)

DC: Bud Foster ($1,000,000)

Total Assistant Salaries: $3,670,000

Dan Enos made more than both of their coordinators combined. Dan Enos was paid ~41% of VT’s total allotment for assistant salaries.

-----------------------------------------------------

Older Posts

Post #1: https://www.canesinsight.com/threads/52-33-under-blake-james.153380/#post-4281375 [The Tenure of Blake James]

Post #2: https://www.canesinsight.com/threads/i-can’t-defend-manny.152274/page-36#post-4243964 [Talent Myth]

Sources

Source #1: https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/football/assistant

Source #2: https://businessnc.com/n-c-governors-salary-is-less-than-5-of-mack-browns/

Source #3: https://www.si.com/college/duke/football/where-does-david-cutcliffe-rank-in-acc-coachs-pay

Source #4: https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/

Source #5: https://www.post-gazette.com/sports...sburgh-panthers-football/stories/201901140117
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So, I believe the point you are making is there are no lights out coaches in the ACC coastal. That Miami has the money and talent to win the coastal yet does not. If you were to ask me what is holding Miami back is the desirability of the job. None of the schools in the Coastal EXCEPT for Miami expect regular Coastal Titles, and occasional Conference and National Titles. The fanbase is fickle, and coaches get fired here for not meeting unreasonable expectations. It's the only reason to see us go from "Jon Gruden" as a candidate, to a 3 way race of Trestman, Edsall and Golden.

The best resume of any candidate in the last two decades was Mark Richt. He only considered the job because he was an alumnus.
 
TheEye said:
The best resume of any candidate in the last two decades was Mark Richt. He only considered the job because he was an alumnus.
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I am saying the decision makers are what is holding us back. If we had a competent AD with passion and autonomy we wouldn’t be where we are today.
 
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Consigliere said:
I am saying the decision makers are what is holding us back. If we had a competent AD with passion and autonomy we wouldn’t be where we are today.
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I certainly won't defend the competence of any of our ADs within the last 20 years. Kirby Hocutt did meet Jon Gruden in a face to face meeting. I don't think there's a lack of desire, but none of these ADs ever seem to know what they are doing outside of overhearing someone's suggestion.
 
TheEye said:
I certainly won't defend the competence of any of our ADs within the last 20 years. Kirby Hocutt did meet Jon Gruden in a face to face meeting. I don't think there's a lack of desire, but none of these ADs ever seem to know what they are doing outside of overhearing someone's suggestion.
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We had a special AD who had no idea who our current basketball coach was and what he accomplished before Miami. He was our current AD’s boss.

I am sure these ADs want to do well but they’re not capable of doing it.
 
What is going on in this thread? Good god everyone is having an argument with themselves or something
 
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