Coach Richt on South Florida three stars

[Hoyacane1620]

There's no way around it. We're getting worked locally at this point during this cycle.

For whatever reason, this local class doesn't seem to be as pro-miami as the past few. We have a lot of ground to make up.

I don't know about the getting out-worked part but I do think more of the key kids we are targeting this cycle seem interested or their parents are interested in getting them out of South Florida. Seemed like we were working uphill with Ladson because of his mom. I think there are at least 3-4 other priority kids who we may not get because they WANT to go away. That's not getting outworked -there's only so much you can control with that. Kids are seriously looking at Auburn and Michigan, Oklahoma, Tennessee & Ohio State. It's not just Georgia and Alabama or Florida and FSU.

 

[canesthing3]

Coach Richt sounds beaten down and we've been getting worked in recruiting? Any thread that is more then 2-3 pages is going to turn into a *****fest.

 

[MikeCane18]

I misstated my point and I shouldn’t have said at will. What I meant is that coaches, athletic departments and schools should have zero say over where a kid goes to school and these coaches, ad’s and schools should not have the ability to determine aid for a student at another institution.

As long as a kid isn’t playing for two different teams within the same school year I don’t have a problem with a kid transferring every year until his eligibility expires.

I respectfully disagree. A school is paying for that players expenses. If the player repays the prior institution the money they paid in the first place then I think there shouldn't be a block. Same thing as walk-ons, they can't be blocked. If you take money from an institution you entered into a contract with them.

 

[canes614]

Garvin was a 247 4* espn 300 recruit.....

 

[brock]

DJ didnt get along with Kul either which appears a number of guys didnt either...add all that together ..= a transfer.

3:45
Says a lot

https://www.diehards.com/miami/miami-football-nesta-silvera-next-gen-2018-class

 

[brock]

Garvin was a 247 4* espn 300 recruit.....

Yeah he wasn’t a good example. Because garvin was a 4 star by ESPN and 247

 

[AllAboutTheU]

Yeah he wasn’t a good example. Because garvin was a 4 star by ESPN and 247

Really late bump on 247 at least. He was a composite 3 star for most of the process.

 

[warpigs58]

Really late bump on 247 at least. He was a composite 3 star for most of the process.

Exactly right! He didn’t get bumped up to a 4* till the last update and pretty sure he had already committed at that point.

One thing you have to remember is there are a lot of sh*tty high school coaches in South Florida and a lot of the kids are super raw.

 

[nycane]

"You kind of get caught up in the stars and all that kind of stuff. But when you recruit at the University of Miami, and this South Florida region, you are going to find some gems that are three-star guys because there are so many other great prospects down here.

If Rousseau was somewhere in the middle of the state of Georgia, dominating the league he was in, he might have been a five-star guy. But he's in an area with a lot of population and a lot of football, so he didn't get those big star ratings. But the guy is going to be a heck of a player.

Garvin was the same thing a year ago. Not many people thought Garvin out of Lake Worth was going to be anything, three-star guy, and he's turned out to be a heck of a ballplayer, too. One guy left and went back home because Garvin played more than he did. We're going to play the best guys."

http://miami.cbslocal.com/audio/joe-rose-show/0501-mark-richt-mp3/

A kid i knew went to UM in the Butch/Coker years. he was a top player in the northeast. he said it was crazy because he was clearly a top player in his state and went to UM and all the south florida kids were playing the game so fast it was ridiculous.

 

[canes614]

Exactly right! He didn’t get bumped up to a 4* till the last update and pretty sure he had already committed at that point.

One thing you have to remember is there are a lot of sh*tty high school coaches in South Florida and a lot of the kids are super raw.

Bottom line...when the recruiting rankings were final....Garvin was a 4*....QB Sitkowski was a 4* for most of the process....after a bad year he fell to a 3*.....rankings go up and down all year...

 

[MikeCane18]

And respectfully, I couldn’t disagree more.

- the trade, play for pay, is semester to semester (no such thing as a 4-year scholarship in athletics, iirc)
- a kid on a department/academic scholarship wouldn’t be held to the same standard.

So you’re saying that the kid should pay for the semester he was on the team practicing and going to games as if he enrolled, went about his education, and never showed up for a single practice? No way.

Team functions for paid education. Semester to semester. If the institution can terminate, then the athlete should be able to as well, imo. It’s not that way now, but there are enough people who think the way I do to eventually force the NCAA and member institutions hand.

You're right to an extent. Scholarships are 1 year renewable. However, its very rare that a kid who underperforms on the field isn't renewed. Just look at our roster for instance.

I completely disagree with your premise that schools should have no say in where kid should transfer. Why even have a recruit sign a LOI then? It would be as if nothing is binding in this and they are free to change their mind at anytime if the circumstances don't suit their liking. I agree with Tubby Smith when he brought up how out of control transferring has become in CBB, they aren't teaching kids the right things anymore, just teaching them how to quit when things aren't the exact way you think they should be.

The can of worms that could balloon from something where schools can't block kids would lead to even worse bidding wars for kids than we already presently have. Almost like a free agency. Would be terrible.

 

[Coach Macho]

People always refer to physical ability when they talk about about a kid being "D1 caliber"...or an elite prospect...but there's a mental aspect of being a D1/elite recruit that people don't even think about. Not every kid who signs to a D1/elite program has the mental strength to handle the process. You go from being a big dog on your high school team...likely a 3/4 year starter...to being "just another guy" in college. Now you have to earn your seat at the table all over again. Everybody is as big as you, everybody is fast, everybody is strong, etc etc etc. Now it comes down to technique, being coachable, understanding the playbook, work ethic, etc.

Most Freshmen simply aren't ready when they step on the field and some of them can't handle that. It's the first time they've ever sat the bench in their entire life. And if a kid's ego was stroked his whole life then it makes the matter even worse. Had it happen to a kid of mine. Thought his college coaches were "hating on him" because they gave him a redshirt but the kid was only 200lbs trying to play LB in the Big-10! But some of these kids, you can't tell them ****. Instead of being patient, working harder, accepting that they're not perfect and eventually earning their spot...they transfer to a lesser program and often fizzle out.

YOU CAN'T RUN FROM YOURSELF.

 

[jw410]

What you’ve described is weak competition and that he was over ranked, that’s different than “he was weak”. And, maybe by finding out that he “wasn’t that great” at Miami/ACC, he was smart enough to put himself in a position to succeed/play. People can believe that wait your turn crap if they want to but players get better by playing. Learning the different techniques they need to defeat.

The PAC-12 may be the best place for him. He can learn to bend; he’ll have to learn to play with a higher motor; he’ll get confidence winning reps against “lesser” competition; he’ll see the field sooner and more frequently.

He might be a bust but a 6’5, 270-280 lbs PAC-12 player 3 years from now running a sub-4.7 and maybe a sub-4.6 WILL GET DRAFTED NO LATER THAN ROUND 3.

NO guarantee... Like I said lot's of look like tarzans are out of the league or not drafted at all. Let's have this same conversation in a few years.

 

[jw410]

People always refer to physical ability when they talk about about a kid being "D1 caliber"...or an elite prospect...but there's a mental aspect of being a D1/elite recruit that people don't even think about. Not every kid who signs to a D1/elite program has the mental strength to handle the process. You go from being a big dog on your high school team...likely a 3/4 year starter...to being "just another guy" in college. Now you have to earn your seat at the table all over again. Everybody is as big as you, everybody is fast, everybody is strong, etc etc etc. Now it comes down to technique, being coachable, understanding the playbook, work ethic, etc.

Most Freshmen simply aren't ready when they step on the field and some of them can't handle that. It's the first time they've ever sat the bench in their entire life. And if a kid's ego was stroked his whole life then it makes the matter even worse. Had it happen to a kid of mine. Thought his college coaches were "hating on him" because they gave him a redshirt but the kid was only 200lbs trying to play LB in the Big-10! But some of these kids, you can't tell them ****. Instead of being patient, working harder, accepting that they're not perfect and eventually earning their spot...they transfer to a lesser program and often fizzle out.

YOU CAN'T RUN FROM YOURSELF.

exactly

 

[CANE1775]

People always refer to physical ability when they talk about about a kid being "D1 caliber"...or an elite prospect...but there's a mental aspect of being a D1/elite recruit that people don't even think about. Not every kid who signs to a D1/elite program has the mental strength to handle the process. You go from being a big dog on your high school team...likely a 3/4 year starter...to being "just another guy" in college. Now you have to earn your seat at the table all over again. Everybody is as big as you, everybody is fast, everybody is strong, etc etc etc. Now it comes down to technique, being coachable, understanding the playbook, work ethic, etc.

Most Freshmen simply aren't ready when they step on the field and some of them can't handle that. It's the first time they've ever sat the bench in their entire life. And if a kid's ego was stroked his whole life then it makes the matter even worse. Had it happen to a kid of mine. Thought his college coaches were "hating on him" because they gave him a redshirt but the kid was only 200lbs trying to play LB in the Big-10! But some of these kids, you can't tell them ****. Instead of being patient, working harder, accepting that they're not perfect and eventually earning their spot...they transfer to a lesser program and often fizzle out.

YOU CAN'T RUN FROM YOURSELF.

GREAT post. As a youngster, I would always say so and so was going to dominate because they transferred to a smaller school. Then they wouldn't and I'd be surprised. Like you said, though, you can't run from yourself. Good stuff Coach!!

 

[Go Canes!!]

Total "free agency" would lead to complete chaos. Coaches would end up having to re-recruit their entire roster on a yearly basis. Also, the same dirty coaches some on here are talking about will still be out there behind the scenes trying to poach any kid they want or need.

I always side with the kids as well, but in my opinion there has to be some kind of ramification when there's a transfer or every off season will end up becoming another open recruting fiasco like before NSD.

 

[OptimusCreampie]

Exactly right! He didn’t get bumped up to a 4* till the last update and pretty sure he had already committed at that point.

One thing you have to remember is there are a lot of sh*tty high school coaches in South Florida and a lot of the kids are super raw.

Bingo

 

[MikeCane18]

I’m NEVER going to side with a college coach over a kid, and I’m DEFINITELY not siding with Tubby Smith. Basketball is worse than football because BB coaches don’t need practice fodder like FB coaches do, they just send kids packing and turn over the roster. (Example: Richt/James/Miami wanting to keep Sherriffs. For what? How was he helping a very good student, who was never going to play, and already graduated in 3 years? And why if Sherriffs can be [ultimately] released to any school should that not be available to everyone?)

As for LOI’s...Ole Miss actually tried to hold up the transfer of Patterson, but USF/OR/FSU Taggart is allowed to skip to 3 schools in a year?

College coaches aren’t trying to teach, they’re trying to win and get their agent to shop the extension and bigger contract. Tubby should know that the kids are being taught, and they’re learning “what’s in it for me, now”. But, and this is the biggest issue for me, kids have to learn to take responsibility for their own actions. If it’s a bad decision, it’s the KID’S bad decision to learn from. But to have a millionaire coach with a vested interest in his own self-preservation and a university that has compromised it’s mission to educate kids and now recognizes student-athletes as veritable assets being tasked with the responsibility...I just can’t go along with that.

I don’t agree that “free agency” would make things worse, in fact, I believe it will make things better. Colleges will be forced to recruit and accept kids more aligned with their principles and culture.

Agree to wholeheartedly disagree on a lot of points. Have a good day and weekend.

 

[Captain Uberpants]

Total "free agency" would lead to complete chaos. Coaches would end up having to re-recruit their entire roster on a yearly basis. Also, the same dirty coaches some on here are talking about will still be out there behind the scenes trying to poach any kid they want or need.

I always side with the kids as well, but in my opinion there has to be some kind of ramification when there's a transfer or every off season will end up becoming another open recruting fiasco like before NSD.

Agreed. Imagine having Bama trying to buy all of our young talent. Navaughn, JT, Rousseau, etc. every offseason would be a war just to keep a roster.

I think a good middle ground would be that a kid can transfer anywhere he wants (just as coaches can come and go as they please) with no restrictions such as future opponents and all that. They would still have to sit out a year to prevent “free agency” from occurring every year.

 

[ThomasM]

Despite the family reasons, does anybody have a idea why DJ Johnson underperformed here.

Maybe he believed his own hype and didn't try as hard as Garvin, who was obviously more talented anyway. It was a perfect storm of quit.