Coach D better not have LBs covering WRs & DT's in coverage

[RiDLer80]

So you're saying we need an elite athlete at LB that's fluid and can run with WRs, along with a defensive front that can collapse a pocket and create pressure on the quarterback in order for that style of defense to work? None of which we have have. Got it.

 

[Pennmed Canefan]

D'Onofrio's Donofrio. If you're expecting wild schematic changes for this game you can forget it. We don't have great talent ESPECIALLY compared to these guys. He's going to be the anti-NCSU who somehow seemed to have one-on-one deep matchups all the time with those guys. Prevent the big play, make them work down the field, and control the red zone. He won't care about 600 yards only the points. Then we pray that the offense can extend drives and shorten the game.

My biggest fear with D'Onofrio is just the first quarter. We've been lauding these guys as far back as GT for their superior "halftime adjustments." I thought that was bogus vs Tech and UNC and even Wake--great halftime adjustments imply a slow start. We've explained that away recently with excuses including that the offense killed the defense, the other team reinvented their offense, and on and on. I just think we haven't executed at the beginning of games for reasons that elude me. We have to get that squared away because FSU might hang 35 on us while we figure things out instead of the 7-17 that these other weaker teams have been producing. He has to tighten up the beginning for once.

 

[Dees Brown]

So you're saying we need an elite athlete at LB that's fluid and can run with WRs, along with a defensive front that can collapse a pocket and create pressure on the quarterback in order for that style of defense to work? None of which we have have. Got it.

Either that or blitz alot lol. Which I dont see happening

 

[FullyERicht]

I wish people would realize that the scheme comes from AL GOLDEN.

D'Onofrio isn't doing anything that Golden hasn't signed off on.

Better get used to the scheme because this is what Golden knows, and this is what he's comfortable running.

The defense will continue to get better as the talent gets better.

I would say you are spot on but Al was running the Al Groh 3-4 at Virginia which is an attacking style Defense... This is not the same as to what was ran there... Now you could be right that this is what he wants or desires but he was an Al Groh understudy... Just a lil food for thought bro...

Completely clueless. The Parcell's 3-4 is not aggressive at all.

 

[LC_Cane]

I wish people would realize that the scheme comes from AL GOLDEN.

D'Onofrio isn't doing anything that Golden hasn't signed off on.

Better get used to the scheme because this is what Golden knows, and this is what he's comfortable running.

The defense will continue to get better as the talent gets better.

I would say you are spot on but Al was running the Al Groh 3-4 at Virginia which is an attacking style Defense... This is not the same as to what was ran there... Now you could be right that this is what he wants or desires but he was an Al Groh understudy... Just a lil food for thought bro...

Completely clueless. The Parcell's 3-4 is not aggressive at all.

Haha ok buddy that was Parcells way of running it with the bend no break low risk and now Belichek who was under him then and look at how aggressive that defense is now compared to how Bill ran it... When Al Groh ran it Virgina it was ran aggressively was what I was saying...

 

[CanesAreAble]

When Al Groh ran it Virgina it was ran aggressively was what I was saying...

I don't remember those defenses being terribly aggressive.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

I wish people would realize that the scheme comes from AL GOLDEN.

D'Onofrio isn't doing anything that Golden hasn't signed off on.

Better get used to the scheme because this is what Golden knows, and this is what he's comfortable running.

The defense will continue to get better as the talent gets better.

Thank you lord. Open your ******* eyes people.

 

[fincane]

I'll assume all of you watched the game like myself. How many times did Wake extend drives on third downs where a Miami defender was in place to make a tackle or play that would have ended the drive but the player didn't? Crawford missed a tackle that would've forced Wake to punt on the first drive. That wasn't a scheme thing. The long pass where Burns was in position to make a play that led to their second TD. That wasn't a scheme thing. Crawford on that same drive whiffed on a tackle that would've made it 4th and 4 as opposed to 4 and inches. Guys were there to make a play and keep Wake off the board. If those plays are made Wake may not score a point in the first half.

The stats were already posted in the thread. You can ***** about not liking the scheme but players were in place to make plays. That is what a defensive scheme is meant to do.

 

[CanesAreAble]

This defensive scheme has its place, and works somewhat, but lets not act like we haven't had the better athletes in every game except maybe UF. My issue is the apparent unwillingness to adapt. We played a bend but don't break defense against a team the will never break you. We should have been attacking and closing windows...forcing there guys to beat our superior athletes one on one....instead we sit back in soft zones and put DEs and LBs on there best player in the slot. We allowed them to control the game, and shorten it...exactly what WAKE FOREST wanted. It was the perfect D to allow for the upset.

IMO the defense's biggest problem against Wake was tackling (and egregious spots by the refs). Their first two drives were kept alive by horrible tackling and more than generous spots on 3rd downs. Regardless of scheme, you have to be able to tackle. Wake had the ball for 13 minutes in the first quarter, and then 19 minutes the rest of the game. So their "bleed the clock" strategy wasn't terribly effective after the first quarter, which again was aided by the poor tackling.

Also, Wake's two big plays came when we were in press man coverage. Artie Burns got beat for 50+ yards on a 3rd and 10, and then Cornileus fell asleep on a simple wheel route.

And not to pick on Artie because he's gonna be a boss, but he got beat three times in press man coverage on 3rd/4th down. There was the Campanaro push-off on the opening drive, the 50-yarder on the sideline, and then the 4th down conversion before the wheel route that went for a TD (we were in press man that entire drive).

We can complain about the scheme all day, but guys have to execute.

 

[LC_Cane]

When Al Groh ran it Virgina it was ran aggressively was what I was saying...

I don't remember those defenses being terribly aggressive.

It was a straight 3-4 not this hybrid we are witnessing with basically a 4-3 look with our stand up ends... It had the LBers attacking with blitz combos

 

[Consigliere]

This defensive scheme has its place, and works somewhat, but lets not act like we haven't had the better athletes in every game except maybe UF. My issue is the apparent unwillingness to adapt. We played a bend but don't break defense against a team the will never break you. We should have been attacking and closing windows...forcing there guys to beat our superior athletes one on one....instead we sit back in soft zones and put DEs and LBs on there best player in the slot. We allowed them to control the game, and shorten it...exactly what WAKE FOREST wanted. It was the perfect D to allow for the upset.

We don't adjust, it's a stubborn adherence to this philosophy which will get us beat. We almost let Eric Ebron beat us because he was getting free releases and tearing up this same soft zone underneath.

I have no issue with the general philosophy, and it has worked to an extent. But when your philosophy is to force a team to execute repeatedly....and they are like Wake was....then you adapt. Change the scheme. We don't seem to adapt.

You think it was our D that allowed the upset against WF, even though it was our D that kept the points off the board. Perhaps our offense will click and Morris will throw the ball properly and give them some help. Perhaps our offense will block and allow us to get the first down on 4th and 1 (keep the D off the field). We clearly adapt, look at our last two weeks (after halftime). Against UNC (6 points) and WF (7 points), 13 total points over 60 minutes. I think you mean that you would like our defense to be great the whole game but they are (as indicated by the actual stats).

Also, we don't have this team of superior athletes yet. That is why I said we have some talent issues. Players like Bush (is a shell of himself after the injury), Highsmith (can't play safety), Burns (not ready to be other there so much), Cornelius (not a good OLB) and Green (doesn't rush well) because we don't have a team of talented elite players where we can match up one on one.

Here is a play showing that our players are not fully ready yet to create this mismatch (or force them to beat us one on one)

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=9881573

Here is Cornelius guarding a RB (out of the backfield and falling down for a big play)

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=9882485

Here is Burns getting beat on 4th and 5th (1:41)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U91aNlr8iGc

Here is Bush on Campanaro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZitsI3D6zl8

Our DEs and LBs are not guarding their best players but sometimes they have to cover them.

Campanaro had a good game, he went 10 for 88 and a TD. Here is his game log for the year...http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/481645/michael-campanaro
You will notice that he averages (before our game), 117 YPG and almost 1 TD. He had 88 against us and his long was 12 yards. Here is the thing, a team’s playmaker (if he really is one) will actually make plays. Campanaro made some plays but it was no big time performance. In fact he averages more yards per game before our game, it wasn’t even a top 4 performance for him this year.

Last week I showed the breakdowns of our safeties on Ebron. The DBs were covering him for most of the game.

Here is Bush on Ebron (31 yards on 3rd Down)

http://espn.go.com/ncf/video?gameId=332900153

Here is Jenkins on Ebron (24 yards)

http://espn.go.com/ncf/video?gameId=332900153
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Here is the Ebron play that you will bring up but sometimes the TE needs to be guarded by a LB

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=9840976

It helps if the LB Kirby makes a play (i.e. a tackle) and prevents the big play.

Like I said, we have issues at OLB, Safety and DE. The facts above indicate our offense adjusts, the facts above indicate the points are being kept off the board when they shouldn't (see the TOP and the Turnovers). But what you will notice is that we don't have this team full of superior athletes that you think we do. Overall we have more superior athletes and that is why we win these games and our defense is able to cover for our offense not helping.

I don’t want to debate because in part I agree with some of what you are saying but I don’t think everyone should be focused on these LBs covering a player. Sometimes it is necessary. I am sorry that we cannot always have our best DB on every play covering a player.

 

[Consigliere]

This defensive scheme has its place, and works somewhat, but lets not act like we haven't had the better athletes in every game except maybe UF. My issue is the apparent unwillingness to adapt. We played a bend but don't break defense against a team the will never break you. We should have been attacking and closing windows...forcing there guys to beat our superior athletes one on one....instead we sit back in soft zones and put DEs and LBs on there best player in the slot. We allowed them to control the game, and shorten it...exactly what WAKE FOREST wanted. It was the perfect D to allow for the upset.

IMO the defense's biggest problem against Wake was tackling (and egregious spots by the refs). Their first two drives were kept alive by horrible tackling and more than generous spots on 3rd downs. Regardless of scheme, you have to be able to tackle. Wake had the ball for 13 minutes in the first quarter, and then 19 minutes the rest of the game. So their "bleed the clock" strategy wasn't terribly effective after the first quarter, which again was aided by the poor tackling.

Also, Wake's two big plays came when we were in press man coverage. Artie Burns got beat for 50+ yards on a 3rd and 10, and then Cornileus fell asleep on a simple wheel route.

And not to pick on Artie because he's gonna be a boss, but he got beat three times in press man coverage on 3rd/4th down. There was the Campanaro push-off on the opening drive, the 50-yarder on the sideline, and then the 4th down conversion before the wheel route that went for a TD (we were in press man that entire drive).

We can complain about the scheme all day, but guys have to execute.

I am with you Able.

 

[Bennubird]

We never crashed the A gap when they had those wide splits to force the Wake QB to speed up his decision making. We've really got to got our coverage scheme straight before Saturday.

We dropped Curtis Porter into coverage yesterday at one point.. He had a pass completed on him.

We dropped the kid who transferred from Wisconsin and almost quit football because of his foot into coverage... Pass completed in his area.

I have no idea what the **** is going on. We rushed 3 a few times and got no pressure. This was after struggling to sniff the QB when we sent 4. Our few blitzes we have are poorly disguised.

Yesterday was a nightmare effort by D'Onofrio.

 

[BigCaneAl]

This defensive scheme has its place, and works somewhat, but lets not act like we haven't had the better athletes in every game except maybe UF. My issue is the apparent unwillingness to adapt. We played a bend but don't break defense against a team the will never break you. We should have been attacking and closing windows...forcing there guys to beat our superior athletes one on one....instead we sit back in soft zones and put DEs and LBs on there best player in the slot. We allowed them to control the game, and shorten it...exactly what WAKE FOREST wanted. It was the perfect D to allow for the upset.

We don't adjust, it's a stubborn adherence to this philosophy which will get us beat. We almost let Eric Ebron beat us because he was getting free releases and tearing up this same soft zone underneath.

I have no issue with the general philosophy, and it has worked to an extent. But when your philosophy is to force a team to execute repeatedly....and they are like Wake was....then you adapt. Change the scheme. We don't seem to adapt.

You think it was our D that allowed the upset against WF, even though it was our D that kept the points off the board. Perhaps our offense will click and Morris will throw the ball properly and give them some help. Perhaps our offense will block and allow us to get the first down on 4th and 1 (keep the D off the field). We clearly adapt, look at our last two weeks (after halftime). Against UNC (6 points) and WF (7 points), 13 total points over 60 minutes. I think you mean that you would like our defense to be great the whole game but they are (as indicated by the actual stats).

Also, we don't have this team of superior athletes yet. That is why I said we have some talent issues. Players like Bush (is a shell of himself after the injury), Highsmith (can't play safety), Burns (not ready to be other there so much), Cornelius (not a good OLB) and Green (doesn't rush well) because we don't have a team of talented elite players where we can match up one on one.

Here is a play showing that our players are not fully ready yet to create this mismatch (or force them to beat us one on one)

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=9881573

Here is Cornelius guarding a RB (out of the backfield and falling down for a big play)

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=9882485

Here is Burns getting beat on 4th and 5th (1:41)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U91aNlr8iGc

Here is Bush on Campanaro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZitsI3D6zl8

Our DEs and LBs are not guarding their best players but sometimes they have to cover them.

Campanaro had a good game, he went 10 for 88 and a TD. Here is his game log for the year...http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/481645/michael-campanaro
You will notice that he averages (before our game), 117 YPG and almost 1 TD. He had 88 against us and his long was 12 yards. Here is the thing, a team’s playmaker (if he really is one) will actually make plays. Campanaro made some plays but it was no big time performance. In fact he averages more yards per game before our game, it wasn’t even a top 4 performance for him this year.

Last week I showed the breakdowns of our safeties on Ebron. The DBs were covering him for most of the game.

Here is Bush on Ebron (31 yards on 3rd Down)

http://espn.go.com/ncf/video?gameId=332900153

Here is Jenkins on Ebron (24 yards)

http://espn.go.com/ncf/video?gameId=332900153
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Here is the Ebron play that you will bring up but sometimes the TE needs to be guarded by a LB

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=9840976

It helps if the LB Kirby makes a play (i.e. a tackle) and prevents the big play.

Like I said, we have issues at OLB, Safety and DE. The facts above indicate our offense adjusts, the facts above indicate the points are being kept off the board when they shouldn't (see the TOP and the Turnovers). But what you will notice is that we don't have this team full of superior athletes that you think we do. Overall we have more superior athletes and that is why we win these games and our defense is able to cover for our offense not helping.

I don’t want to debate because in part I agree with some of what you are saying but I don’t think everyone should be focused on these LBs covering a player. Sometimes it is necessary. I am sorry that we cannot always have our best DB on every play covering a player.

After rewatching I can't disagree with anything you wrote....I still wish we dictated more, especially early in the game. We did adapt some in the third quarter and on. Also as far as offense, ugh...sticking to defense here. Also I want to our defense is miles better than last year.

 

[Ari Gold]

The ******* point is Coach D needs to line up Corners on Wide Receivers, and that he can't seem to figure it out. I would rather him blitz all 11 guys then see FSU throw short crossing routes all the way down the field.

Play some press man on those ******** instead of letting them run free.


If Winston has all day to throw he is going to torch this defense. I'm sick of all the rotations, and I'm sick of watching drag routes being completed every ******* drive.

Put out the 11 best and attack

 

[Consigliere]

Bigcane Al,

I know what you saying and it would be great.

I think we're a year a way from having these athletes (not because of recruiting but bc of development) to over match the opposing offense. I want that more than anything.

Imagine these guys next year:
AQM, Carter, Bush and Grace. After UTOUGH.

I also think if our offense helped us a little more our D would be better because instead of playing the short field (i.e. after the TO) we give the other team the ball after a punt. Also, we are in position to make a play but Kirby missing a tackle on Ebron, Cornelius missing a tackle on Harris and Bush missing a play on Ebron and Campanaro... Doesn't help.

 

[I'm Hurt Dawg]

Here is the thing, a team’s playmaker (if he really is one) will actually make plays.

They have one play maker, uno. FSU has a multiple play makers. I guess we should be okay with them making plays because" they are play makers".

Campanaro stats against FSU and ND teams were 8 catches for 55 yards. teams with a good defense. The kid is not Calvin Johnson or Randy.

 

[CanesAreAble]

Here is the thing, a team’s playmaker (if he really is one) will actually make plays.

They have one play maker, uno. FSU has a multiple play makers. I guess we should be okay with them making plays because" they are play makers".

Campanaro stats against FSU and ND teams were 8 catches for 55 yards. teams with a good defense. The kid is not Calvin Johnson or Randy.

He had 10 catches for 88 yards.

Let's not act like he pulled a Megatron against us.

 

[I'm Hurt Dawg]

Here is the thing, a team’s playmaker (if he really is one) will actually make plays.

They have one play maker, uno. FSU has a multiple play makers. I guess we should be okay with them making plays because" they are play makers".

Campanaro stats against FSU and ND teams were 8 catches for 55 yards. teams with a good defense. The kid is not Calvin Johnson or Randy.

He had 10 catches for 88 yards.

Let's not act like he pulled a Megatron against us.

Ebron almost pulled a megatron on us. All I'm saying is that they had one weapon and we couldn't stop him. What are we going to do when a team has multiple weapons and athletes as good as ours?

 

[Consigliere]

Here is the thing, a team’s playmaker (if he really is one) will actually make plays.

They have one play maker, uno. FSU has a multiple play makers. I guess we should be okay with them making plays because" they are play makers".

Campanaro stats against FSU and ND teams were 8 catches for 55 yards. teams with a good defense. The kid is not Calvin Johnson or Randy.

Irrelvant all around on ND and FSU. He did not have a good game, he averaged more yards for the season and he did not get that against us. He is going to make plays this year, watch. So that is that.

He hasn't played either of those teams this year.

Expect the D to be tested.