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and y is 11 not playing more? he can play the run and pass. 51, only run
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Coach D better not have LBs covering WRs & DT's in coverage
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and y is 11 not playing more? he can play the run and pass. 51, only run
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They had a FB spread out with the WR's and on the 5 Wide look it was the RB that would spread out with the FB as well... Im sure that was shown on film before this game and we still left our base defense out there to defend it... Plus it was the same **** scenario with a LB covering the other teams main threat which is confusing... 3rd and 5 or longer is when our nickel comes in and/or at the end of the game to protect our lead like we did at the end of the 4th against WF... Its definetly our DC's mentality to leave our base out there against any alignment the other teams offense is lining up in which is baffling... Get use to seeing us line up 8 yards or more with our CBs off the line and backers 6 yards off the line... It hasnt changed in 3 seasons and we dont play downhill with our front 7 or even stack 8 or more in the box to play man anymore than the very few plays we may see it in a game... I wasnt giving up on Coach D but after this last game with the terrible scheme to eliminate the other teams best players is inexcusable and now I have pity for our defensive players trying to play their role within a faulty gameplan... Its against teams like these that you should be implementing change to get your players use to scheming against the other teams best weapons... Then when we go up against an elite team your guys are prepared for change and what the task at hand needs to be... Playing base and letting them attack you in an obvious way that has been seen on film and you dont take it away till the 2nd half supposedly is a recipe for disaster... That is all
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The defense gave up 360 yards yesterday and 21 points, only 7 of which were scored after halftime. Were their some things that maybe made you scratch your head? Yes. Is anybody on this message board remotely close to being qualified enough to operate a division 1 college football defense? No. You should spend your energy *****ing about Morris and the offense not being able to stay on the field. If they had the defensive numbers would have looked even better.
Dorito likes to run his scheme very simply. base defense early downs and a 3rd down package. It works when we play teams like UF who are ground and pound because that plays right into what we want to do. Its BIG 10 football at its finest. Also run tons of Cover 3 behind it. I remember Lucane mentioned how if he was an OC he would come out in 3-4 wide early and often like Kstate did last year. Its what we do and have done since Dorito has been here, we only notice it when the other team has a competent QB and the OC knows how to attack.
No matter what, on early downs we seem to trot out base D even if they go 5 wide. Its not a surprise and we should just get used to it, atleast as long as Dorito is here.
Wake isnt a team that will blow your doors off, no matter what they do. This is a mindset that will have us wondering when we play top level talent, why did our defense look soo bad? If we want to get to where we all want to be you cannot stay in base defense against 4 wr sets, just in alignment we are at a disadvantage
No matter what, on early downs we seem to trot out base D even if they go 5 wide. Its not a surprise and we should just get used to it, atleast as long as Dorito is here.
Wake isnt a team that will blow your doors off, no matter what they do. This is a mindset that will have us wondering when we play top level talent, why did our defense look soo bad? If we want to get to where we all want to be you cannot stay in base defense against 4 wr sets, just in alignment we are at a disadvantage
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This wasnt a topic about what the offense did or didnt do to help the defense it is about our alignment to offensive formations... Stats for this game are going to be whatever because they were able to drive the ball down the field at will for most of the game... I only speak for myself here but I have several years of playing this sport and captaining a defense for 2... Now am I qualified to be a college coach that is niether here nor there because I choose a career field outside of sports... But what we are all witnessing and writing about in this thread from a defensive mindset is we are allowing the offense the mismatches they have game planned for with no counter to it as far as match ups are concerned...
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We now have a large enough sample size to determine that coach D is not a good coordinator. The way he was out coached yesterday was embarrassing. I'm sick of hearing that an offensive player from an opposing team is having a career game against UM. It seems to happen every other game. We Weill never be "back" until we have a competent D coordinator.
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I wish people would realize that the scheme comes from AL GOLDEN.
D'Onofrio isn't doing anything that Golden hasn't signed off on.
Better get used to the scheme because this is what Golden knows, and this is what he's comfortable running.
The defense will continue to get better as the talent gets better.
D'Onofrio isn't doing anything that Golden hasn't signed off on.
Better get used to the scheme because this is what Golden knows, and this is what he's comfortable running.
The defense will continue to get better as the talent gets better.
Exactly bro... Only time they say they change the base set is against GT which from watching those games and alignments it still looks the same... The reads obviously are different for that team but its still the same set D we run 90% of the game... Its not gonna change or we would have seen it by now against the spread teams we have faced...
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I would say you are spot on but Al was running the Al Groh 3-4 at Virginia which is an attacking style Defense... This is not the same as to what was ran there... Now you could be right that this is what he wants or desires but he was an Al Groh understudy... Just a lil food for thought bro...
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Well unfortunately if D'onofrio goes that most likely means Golden is gone as well. I don't know if you will get one without the other.
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This...Winston will shred us if we play that ***** *** zone crap
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Watching Stanford's defense last night was impressive. The front 4 dominated all night! Every throw was contested and folks were getting hit all night long.
I honestly can't see them having that much more talent on defense then we do(I have no clue about their roster). Our defense as a unit seems very slow to react and straight up passive almost all game. Is talent the issue? Is coach D trying to employ a defense that the kids just simply can't run? Who knows, but after 3 years it looks identical to every past season, but with minimal improvement. The good news is yes we have improved, but realistically on against terrible teams. Teams who have a competent OC and a QB who can make good decisions straight up slaughter us.
Everyone will continue to say that the coach makes millions to make these decisions, but any fan with average football knowledge can tell you--- you don't put a slow LB on their best WR in the slot. That's is 2 weeks in a row we game plan against Ebron and Campy.. And we get smokedddd.
Something just isnt adding up. Maybe we'll truly never know what the deal is?!?! But for the love of god, can we cover a fuxkin drag route, TE cross, or out pattern !!!!
I honestly can't see them having that much more talent on defense then we do(I have no clue about their roster). Our defense as a unit seems very slow to react and straight up passive almost all game. Is talent the issue? Is coach D trying to employ a defense that the kids just simply can't run? Who knows, but after 3 years it looks identical to every past season, but with minimal improvement. The good news is yes we have improved, but realistically on against terrible teams. Teams who have a competent OC and a QB who can make good decisions straight up slaughter us.
Everyone will continue to say that the coach makes millions to make these decisions, but any fan with average football knowledge can tell you--- you don't put a slow LB on their best WR in the slot. That's is 2 weeks in a row we game plan against Ebron and Campy.. And we get smokedddd.
Something just isnt adding up. Maybe we'll truly never know what the deal is?!?! But for the love of god, can we cover a fuxkin drag route, TE cross, or out pattern !!!!
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Considering they've been coaching together for probably a dozen years at different schools, I'd say it's an absolute certainty.
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We need someone that will actually call aggressive plays on D he needs to get a hc job somewhere im sick of mediocre teams exposing us
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Let me start off by saying I am not a football scientist like the rest of you.
Here is what has happened so far this year:
1. Miami is 11th in Scoring D at 17.7 PPG (http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/28)
Here is what we have let up:6, 16, 7, 21, 30, 23, 21 for a total of 124 Points
Of those 124 points (here are some random facts)
- 7 came of a pick 6 (against USF)
- 7 came of a short field on a punt block (against UF)
- 14 points came with the third team defense (against USF, 4th Quarter)
- 13 points came off of 8 turnovers (against GT and UNC) *
2. Our second half scoring D looks like this: 3, 10, 7, 14, 13, 6, 7 for a total 60 points = 8.7 in the second half
So we're actually allowing less points after halftime (adjustments).
3. Other random stats...
I know many of you love the yards argument, we're 18th in total D with 342.3 YPG.
Guess who is 104th in time of possession MIAMI!!! Our defense is on the field a lot more than the average team.
If you look at some of the other top defenses (scoring D) here is what you will find for TOP and the amount of turnovers lost.
[The Scoring D rank then TOP rank then their turnovers lost]
1. Alabama 9.8 PPG / 13th / 7 TOs
2. UL 10.6 PPG / 9th / 7 TOs
3. MSU 12.3 PPG / 2nd / 9 TOs
4. FSU 13.0 PPG / 49th / 6 TOs
5. V Tech 14.8 PPG / 19th / 11 TOs
11. Miami 17.7 PPG / 104th / 14 TOs
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Now my opinions: I think the talent is still not their yet, like a few have said. I think we're still missing some high-quality starters at DE, OLB and S (outside of Jenkins). For the coverage situation, I don't understand why LBs can't cover TEs/RBs and WRs if need be. The niners do it almost every play, they do it pretty well. The niners also rely on their D-Line to get the majority of the pressure, as do we. The issue is the niners are able to do this, we're not able to get that pressure. This is my major issue with this defense because everything else seems to be working (as indicated by the actual STATS). While I am not happy with the lack of pressure and the aggressiveness, I think this stems from other issues (i.e. the talent).
If the offense stopped turnover the ball over, the defensive statics would be even better (above). Some of you need to realize that we're not that far away from those in the top 5, especially if we stop turning the ball over. I think our defense will get better next year too.
We make adjustments, we keep points off the board but we don't help our defense enough this year. Stop turning the ball over and I guarantee these numbers go down.
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Looking at the future (regular season):Here is our remaining 5 games and the rank of their scoring offense
1. FSU 3rd
2. VT 100th
3. Duke 42nd
4. UVA 97th
5. Pitt 71st
Here is what has happened so far this year:
1. Miami is 11th in Scoring D at 17.7 PPG (http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/28)
Here is what we have let up:6, 16, 7, 21, 30, 23, 21 for a total of 124 Points
Of those 124 points (here are some random facts)
- 7 came of a pick 6 (against USF)
- 7 came of a short field on a punt block (against UF)
- 14 points came with the third team defense (against USF, 4th Quarter)
- 13 points came off of 8 turnovers (against GT and UNC) *
2. Our second half scoring D looks like this: 3, 10, 7, 14, 13, 6, 7 for a total 60 points = 8.7 in the second half
So we're actually allowing less points after halftime (adjustments).
3. Other random stats...
I know many of you love the yards argument, we're 18th in total D with 342.3 YPG.
Guess who is 104th in time of possession MIAMI!!! Our defense is on the field a lot more than the average team.
If you look at some of the other top defenses (scoring D) here is what you will find for TOP and the amount of turnovers lost.
[The Scoring D rank then TOP rank then their turnovers lost]
1. Alabama 9.8 PPG / 13th / 7 TOs
2. UL 10.6 PPG / 9th / 7 TOs
3. MSU 12.3 PPG / 2nd / 9 TOs
4. FSU 13.0 PPG / 49th / 6 TOs
5. V Tech 14.8 PPG / 19th / 11 TOs
11. Miami 17.7 PPG / 104th / 14 TOs
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Now my opinions: I think the talent is still not their yet, like a few have said. I think we're still missing some high-quality starters at DE, OLB and S (outside of Jenkins). For the coverage situation, I don't understand why LBs can't cover TEs/RBs and WRs if need be. The niners do it almost every play, they do it pretty well. The niners also rely on their D-Line to get the majority of the pressure, as do we. The issue is the niners are able to do this, we're not able to get that pressure. This is my major issue with this defense because everything else seems to be working (as indicated by the actual STATS). While I am not happy with the lack of pressure and the aggressiveness, I think this stems from other issues (i.e. the talent).
If the offense stopped turnover the ball over, the defensive statics would be even better (above). Some of you need to realize that we're not that far away from those in the top 5, especially if we stop turning the ball over. I think our defense will get better next year too.
We make adjustments, we keep points off the board but we don't help our defense enough this year. Stop turning the ball over and I guarantee these numbers go down.
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Looking at the future (regular season):Here is our remaining 5 games and the rank of their scoring offense
1. FSU 3rd
2. VT 100th
3. Duke 42nd
4. UVA 97th
5. Pitt 71st
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I feel the same way... Hopefully he takes a job soon and we get Schiano as DC
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This defensive scheme has its place, and works somewhat, but lets not act like we haven't had the better athletes in every game except maybe UF. My issue is the apparent unwillingness to adapt. We played a bend but don't break defense against a team the will never break you. We should have been attacking and closing windows...forcing there guys to beat our superior athletes one on one....instead we sit back in soft zones and put DEs and LBs on there best player in the slot. We allowed them to control the game, and shorten it...exactly what WAKE FOREST wanted. It was the perfect D to allow for the upset.
We don't adjust, it's a stubborn adherence to this philosophy which will get us beat. We almost let Eric Ebron beat us because he was getting free releases and tearing up this same soft zone underneath.
I have no issue with the general philosophy, and it has worked to an extent. But when your philosophy is to force a team to execute repeatedly....and they are like Wake was....then you adapt. Change the scheme. We don't seem to adapt.
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I remember shawn Merriman was step for step with a receiver on a out route.
I remember luke kuehly step for with one of our wrs.
I remember courtney upshaw and donta Hightower shutting down florida receivers
All the those LBs were 260+, so to say its dumb is ignorance. I have seen that employed several times, and work to perfection. Problem is we dont have any fluid LBs, only guy on the roster that could do it is probably Figatron. Plus you need to collapsed the pocket for that scheme to work. You need 3 who can beat a double team on a consistent basis. We might have 1 1/2..porter/piere
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