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DMoney said:
Consigliere said:
DMoney said:
And I'll say it again, Walford is not slow. The 18 yards per catch is evidence of that, and I've heard he runs in the 4.6 range.

I'd wager he smokes Sandland in a footrace.
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I disagree, he lacks speed. He gets open in coverage and gets caught from behind. I would say he runs over a 4.7.
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Walford wasn't getting open downfield by accident, or because Fisch discovered the secret of football. And how about KSU when he took a short pass 50 yards?

The guys running him down were corners that weighed 70 pounds less than him. Unless you're Vernon Davis, that's going to happen.
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This. Never understood the Walford is slow thing. He's a TE, of course DBs are going to run you down
 
DMoney said:
There's been a lot of talk about Beau Sandland, but does anybody else think that Clive Walford is due for a major breakthrough?

Last year, he started out slow but finished with as good of a statistical season as any UM tight end since Winslow (451 yards, 4 TDs). And his 18 yards per catch is pretty ridiculous for a guy that some people call slow.

If Walford responds well to the competition and keeps working, I think we have an NFL tight end on our hands.
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Needs to work on his hands, and ball security. Right now, I don't trust him with the ball. He looks like he's going to fumble every time he gets tackled.
 
Ethnicsands said:
Walford looks slow beause he doesnt have great burst or quickness. Most of what passes for speed in FB is acceleration and change of direction, not true 'speed.'
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He looks a little on the slow side to me because he doesn't cover ground all that quickly when he's running at top speed. We've got a pretty decent sample size of him running in space, so I feel fairly confident in my opinion that he's not all that fast.

Not everyone has to be fast. He's faster than Bubba Franks, and Bubba went on to have a really nice NFL career.
 
DiegoCane said:
DMoney said:
Consigliere said:
DMoney said:
And I'll say it again, Walford is not slow. The 18 yards per catch is evidence of that, and I've heard he runs in the 4.6 range.

I'd wager he smokes Sandland in a footrace.
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I disagree, he lacks speed. He gets open in coverage and gets caught from behind. I would say he runs over a 4.7.
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Walford wasn't getting open downfield by accident, or because Fisch discovered the secret of football. And how about KSU when he took a short pass 50 yards?

The guys running him down were corners that weighed 70 pounds less than him. Unless you're Vernon Davis, that's going to happen.
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This. Never understood the Walford is slow thing. He's a TE, of course DBs are going to run you down
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I think how he runs plays a part. He looks funny out there running. Not a traditional smooth stride. Don't see LBs close ground on him though once the balls in his hands.

And early last year he had too many drops. Was wide open and just dropped it early in the year. Not going to call a ton of plays for a guy who you can't trust. The more he showed he'd hold onto the ball the more he got fed as the year went on. Just needs to keep that consistency up.
 
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The question was about Sandland vs Walford, and it's hard to say bc we just don't have much beyond highlight tapes of Sandland to go off of.

If we were to go off of that tape though, I'd think you have to say Sandland is ahead of Walford, and that Walford has some catching up to do. Sandland looks the part of a high draft pick.
 
If Walford runs a 4.6 that must be the same 4.6 that Manti Teo "supposedly" ran while at ND. (This clown had the BALLS to say he ran a 4.5 while working out at ND a month before! LOL.) I think Walford is a 4.75 guy. But who cares. Bubba wasn't a speed burner and neither was Alfredo Roberts and they were **** good TEs for us their Junior and Senior years. AND they made decent livings in the NFL.

Walford just has to get better and I think he will be a SUPER weapon for us. (Btw, Im not a Randy apologist because I was ready to send a sniper after him after that FSU home loss his final year as coach but IIRC wasnt Walford one of his hidden gems? Buddy was a BBall player at Glades and played only 1 year of Fball. Gotta give him props for this find. Walford looks to be a **** good one.) Anyway, let Asante and Beau battle for that other TE spot. Either way I think we can agree that Coley wont have a choice but to throw to the TE with the talent he has at the position. They will **** near be wide open on most plays!
 
DMoney said:
And I'll say it again, Walford is not slow. The 18 yards per catch is evidence of that, and I've heard he runs in the 4.6 range.

I'd wager he smokes Sandland in a footrace.
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i dont kno why all the hate on walford and his speed. speed is overrated at TE anyway, route running is way more important, just see Jason Witten with the cowboys. catches 100 passes but i think Rich Eisen beats him in the 40
 
2Focusd804 said:
DMoney said:
And I'll say it again, Walford is not slow. The 18 yards per catch is evidence of that, and I've heard he runs in the 4.6 range.

I'd wager he smokes Sandland in a footrace.
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i dont kno why all the hate on walford and his speed. speed is overrated at TE anyway, route running is way more important, just see Jason Witten with the cowboys. catches 100 passes but i think Rich Eisen beats him in the 40
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Take it FWIW but I just remember that kid who transferred to Youngstown State, the good one who plays LB not that horrible child sized DB, tweeted him and told him he had never seen a TE with his speed or body control before.
 
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GrozDozer said:
2Focusd804 said:
DMoney said:
And I'll say it again, Walford is not slow. The 18 yards per catch is evidence of that, and I've heard he runs in the 4.6 range.

I'd wager he smokes Sandland in a footrace.
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i dont kno why all the hate on walford and his speed. speed is overrated at TE anyway, route running is way more important, just see Jason Witten with the cowboys. catches 100 passes but i think Rich Eisen beats him in the 40
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Take it FWIW but I just remember that kid who transferred to Youngstown State, the good one who plays LB not that horrible child sized DB, tweeted him and told him he had never seen a TE with his speed or body control before.
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i wouldn't be surprised, a 250-260lb TE gettin ran down by a 180lb CB is nothing to be ashamed of. i'd much rather have Walford work on his route running than strait line speed. i want him to get serperation, i dont care if he can score from 80 yards out
 
hcanes100 said:
Worried about the new offense and the TE integration with the FSU past of not utilizing the TE position like traditional UM football. Hope Coley changes it up a bit and plays TE Miami style.
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Point taken, however keep in mind Coley did not call plays at FSU, Jimbo did. So with that in mind there is hope that Coley gets the big boys involved.
 
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Walford was average for most of last year. He dropped a lot of balls and failed to find open space during the early part of last year. However, his last 2 games were exceptional. Hopefully, we get to see a whole lot more of that! Go Clive and Go Canes!
 
DMoney said:
There's been a lot of talk about Beau Sandland, but does anybody else think that Clive Walford is due for a major breakthrough?

Last year, he started out slow but finished with as good of a statistical season as any UM tight end since Winslow (451 yards, 4 TDs). And his 18 yards per catch is pretty ridiculous for a guy that some people call slow.

If Walford responds well to the competition and keeps working, I think we have an NFL tight end on our hands.
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Not only were his stats decent, but he showed continual improvement and made a bigger impact the later we got in the year. I think he's going to have an outstanding season if works hard this spring, and will be our most productive TE, yes, even over Sandland. God, remember how bad the TE and WR rosters were when Golden came in? Its nice to see these positions getting back to UM status.
 
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Walford is super pedestrian in my opinion. I think people are a little excited cause he made a couple plays during the end of the year. (when he was wide open) That's why his YPC is high, not cause he's fast. He's stiff and he's not much of a knee-bender, which is much more important for a TE than 40 speed. That's how you explode out of breaks and create seperation. I just don't see that with him. I see that in Dobard. He's also not particularly great at high-pointing the ball.
 
WildcatDefense said:
Walford is super pedestrian in my opinion. I think people are a little excited cause he made a couple plays during the end of the year. (when he was wide open) That's why his YPC is high, not cause he's fast. He's stiff and he's not much of a knee-bender, which is much more important for a TE than 40 speed. That's how you explode out of breaks and create seperation. I just don't see that with him. I see that in Dobard. He's also not particularly great at high-pointing the ball.
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So long as he's wide open, I don't care if he runs a 7.9 forty...... that's a TE's job, to get open, I don't care if he pushes off, gets lost in traffic runs away with speed, shoots the defender in the face, just get open.



/ Chase Ford ran a decent combine 40, not sure he was ever open while here......
 
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