Chances D'onofrio is fired mid season

[UMFarArcher]

JJ went 8-4 the first year, 10-2 his second year, 11-1 the third and 12-0 his fourth.

And JJ played some hard, good teams. So I'm not seeing the similarities, nor the inabilities to compare the situation. It's probably me - I recall the JJ days and games very well, including our defenses.

JJ went 8-5 in his first season and lost his first 3 bowl games at Miami, including one to a very overmatched Ped State team. That isn't at all the point though.

Careless typing on my part.

It is the point. Our defense is terrible. Once Randy's crew were gone after Golden's first year, it's been crap, and then crappier.

So if someone suggests that after three years there's no basis for comparison, then that's just not quite the case.

 

[sebastian91]

JJ went 8-4 the first year, 10-2 his second year, 11-1 the third and 12-0 his fourth.

And JJ played some hard, good teams. So I'm not seeing the similarities, nor the inabilities to compare the situation. It's probably me - I recall the JJ days and games very well, including our defenses.

JJ went 8-5 in his first season and lost his first 3 bowl games at Miami, including one to a very overmatched Ped State team. That isn't at all the point though.

Careless typing on my part.

It is the point. Our defense is terrible. Once Randy's crew were gone after Golden's first year, it's been crap, and then crappier.

So if someone suggests that after three years there's no basis for comparison, then that's just not quite the case.

I didn't suggest anything, except that this fanbase has given up on coaches too quickly in the past. That's it. The rest of your drivel is irrelevant to my initial post.

 

[dycane]

JJ went 8-4 the first year, 10-2 his second year, 11-1 the third and 12-0 his fourth.

And JJ played some hard, good teams. So I'm not seeing the similarities, nor the inabilities to compare the situation. It's probably me - I recall the JJ days and games very well, including our defenses.

JJ went 8-5 in his first season and lost his first 3 bowl games at Miami, including one to a very overmatched Ped State team. That isn't at all the point though.

Careless typing on my part.

It is the point. Our defense is terrible. Once Randy's crew were gone after Golden's first year, it's been crap, and then crappier.

So if someone suggests that after three years there's no basis for comparison, then that's just not quite the case.

There's always plenty of examples available to support either side of the coaching ability/development debate. Nick Saban is the paradigmatic example of an elite coach who struggled mightily in his 1st 4 years to improve at all on the margin. Even after 4 years, the dude's team and his defense played astonishingly bad at times against inferior teams. Why did we see such a marked jump in his next few years? Was he struck by lighting and transformed into a coaching savant? Nope. He was a talented guy who was willing to work. He was green and needed time to cut his teeth in big time coaching. He also needed time to recruit his type of players and there's a learning curve associated with that as well. It took him time to find the right set of coordinators. And MSU sh*ts on Miami in terms of facilities, fan support, and resources.

 

[poncho0091]

JJ went 8-4 the first year, 10-2 his second year, 11-1 the third and 12-0 his fourth.

And JJ played some hard, good teams. So I'm not seeing the similarities, nor the inabilities to compare the situation. It's probably me - I recall the JJ days and games very well, including our defenses.

JJ went 8-5 in his first season and lost his first 3 bowl games at Miami, including one to a very overmatched Ped State team. That isn't at all the point though.

Careless typing on my part.

It is the point. Our defense is terrible. Once Randy's crew were gone after Golden's first year, it's been crap, and then crappier.

So if someone suggests that after three years there's no basis for comparison, then that's just not quite the case.

There's always plenty of examples available to support either side of the coaching ability/development debate. Nick Saban is the paradigmatic example of an elite coach who struggled mightily in his 1st 4 years to improve at all on the margin. Even after 4 years, the dude's team and his defense played astonishingly bad at times against inferior teams. Why did we see such a marked jump in his next few years? Was he struck by lighting and transformed into a coaching savant? Nope. He was a talented guy who was willing to work. He was green and needed time to cut his teeth in big time coaching. He also needed time to recruit his type of players and there's a learning curve associated with that as well. It took him time to find the right set of coordinators. And MSU sh*ts on Miami in terms of facilities, fan support, and resources.

Fair enough, but one issue is Al was already a HC before this.

 

[sebastian91]

JJ went 8-4 the first year, 10-2 his second year, 11-1 the third and 12-0 his fourth.

And JJ played some hard, good teams. So I'm not seeing the similarities, nor the inabilities to compare the situation. It's probably me - I recall the JJ days and games very well, including our defenses.

JJ went 8-5 in his first season and lost his first 3 bowl games at Miami, including one to a very overmatched Ped State team. That isn't at all the point though.

Careless typing on my part.

It is the point. Our defense is terrible. Once Randy's crew were gone after Golden's first year, it's been crap, and then crappier.

So if someone suggests that after three years there's no basis for comparison, then that's just not quite the case.

There's always plenty of examples available to support either side of the coaching ability/development debate. Nick Saban is the paradigmatic example of an elite coach who struggled mightily in his 1st 4 years to improve at all on the margin. Even after 4 years, the dude's team and his defense played astonishingly bad at times against inferior teams. Why did we see such a marked jump in his next few years? Was he struck by lighting and transformed into a coaching savant? Nope. He was a talented guy who was willing to work. He was green and needed time to cut his teeth in big time coaching. He also needed time to recruit his type of players and there's a learning curve associated with that as well. It took him time to find the right set of coordinators. And MSU sh*ts on Miami in terms of facilities, fan support, and resources.

Fair enough, but one issue is Al was already a HC before this.

So was Saban, albeit for only one season (Toledo).

 

[UMFarArcher]

JJ went 8-4 the first year, 10-2 his second year, 11-1 the third and 12-0 his fourth.

And JJ played some hard, good teams. So I'm not seeing the similarities, nor the inabilities to compare the situation. It's probably me - I recall the JJ days and games very well, including our defenses.

JJ went 8-5 in his first season and lost his first 3 bowl games at Miami, including one to a very overmatched Ped State team. That isn't at all the point though.

Careless typing on my part.

It is the point. Our defense is terrible. Once Randy's crew were gone after Golden's first year, it's been crap, and then crappier.

So if someone suggests that after three years there's no basis for comparison, then that's just not quite the case.

There's always plenty of examples available to support either side of the coaching ability/development debate. Nick Saban is the paradigmatic example of an elite coach who struggled mightily in his 1st 4 years to improve at all on the margin. Even after 4 years, the dude's team and his defense played astonishingly bad at times against inferior teams. Why did we see such a marked jump in his next few years? Was he struck by lighting and transformed into a coaching savant? Nope. He was a talented guy who was willing to work. He was green and needed time to cut his teeth in big time coaching. He also needed time to recruit his type of players and there's a learning curve associated with that as well. It took him time to find the right set of coordinators. And MSU sh*ts on Miami in terms of facilities, fan support, and resources.

Yeah, when we were kicking ***, I suppose it was Miami who had the superior facilities, fan support, and resources.

Golden's not getting four years, and then a next few years. It don't work that way.

He couldn't coach a team of shirts and skins speed faxing.