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[ssj4cane]

Our talent level sucked on defense. No matter the scheme we were not gonna put out a decent defense. That doesn't excuse our defensive coaching staff from doing things like playing shayon Greene like he is some super athletic NFL OLB. Combine poor talent with poor coaching and you get the 500 yard club.

So golden is a poor recruiter and coach. Not good.

I wouldn't say he is a poor recruiter and I don't think hes a poor coach. I just think he is an above average recuiter and proven so far to be an average coach. Excuse or not Golden walked into a very ****** situation. If he was an elite coach we would be further along. He isn't so we are looking at another average season in year 4. Right now I think we are looking at a 9 to 10 win coach most seasons.

 

[DaU83]

Our talent level sucked on defense. No matter the scheme we were not gonna put out a decent defense. That doesn't excuse our defensive coaching staff from doing things like playing shayon Greene like he is some super athletic NFL OLB. Combine poor talent with poor coaching and you get the 500 yard club.

So golden is a poor recruiter and coach. Not good.

You realize that the talent that sucked on defense was brought in mostly by Randy Shannon, right? You either lack perspective or aren't bright. This years seniors are the class that Al cobbled together after randy hadn't done **** in recruiting his last class.. the juniors and below, those are ALL golden though.

 

[NotoriousJJE]

So, this will make it 6 years straight without one of our players going in the first round?

That says a lot.

during those 6 years, who was the highest drafted?
Franklin and Harris, 2011
I mean, look at this list since 2009
to see the lack of high profile talent is amazing

2013 5 149 Brandon McGee CB St. Louis Rams
2013 6 189 Mike James RB Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2012 3 72 Olivier Vernon DE Miami Dolphins
2012 3 86 Sean Spence LB Pittsburgh Steelers
2012 4 97 Lamar Miller RB Miami Dolphins
2012 4 100 Travis Benjamin WR Cleveland Browns
2012 6 198 Tommy Streeter WR Baltimore Ravens
2012 6 200 Brandon Washington G Philadelphia Eagles
2011 2 46 Orlando Franklin T Denver Broncos
2011 2 60 Brandon Harris DB Houston Texans
2011 3 79 Leonard Hankerson WR Washington Redskins
2011 3 81 DeMarcus Van Dyke DB Oakland Raiders
2011 3 86 Allen Bailey DE Kansas City Chiefs
2011 4 109 Colin McCarthy LB Tennessee Titans
2011 6 181 Richard Gordon TE Oakland Raiders
2011 6 192 Matt Bosher P Atlanta Falcons
2010 3 95 Jimmy Graham TE New Orleans Saints
2010 4 102 Darryl Sharpton OLB Houston Texans
2010 4 128 Jason Fox T Detroit Lions
2010 7 235 Dedrick Epps TE San Diego Chargers
2009 6 176 Spencer Adkins LB Atlanta Falcons

I just threw up in my mouth a little bit

 

[caneman73]

So not one player on our defense is even projected to be drafted????

Wait wait where are the following
DT Renfrow
DT Porter
DT Robinson
DE Green
DE Gilbert
LB Gaines
LB Cornelius
DB Rodgers
DB Highsmith


SCHEME SCHEME SCHEME sucks lol

It's a process

 

[LEmeyers]

Our talent level sucked on defense. No matter the scheme we were not gonna put out a decent defense. That doesn't excuse our defensive coaching staff from doing things like playing shayon Greene like he is some super athletic NFL OLB. Combine poor talent with poor coaching and you get the 500 yard club.

So golden is a poor recruiter and coach. Not good.

You realize that the talent that sucked on defense was brought in mostly by Randy Shannon, right? You either lack perspective or aren't bright. This years seniors are the class that Al cobbled together after randy hadn't done **** in recruiting his last class.. the juniors and below, those are ALL golden though.

You realize that this talent brought in by Shannon could not be supplanted by anyone Golden brought in right? So again, either golden can recruit or he can't.

I see people harping on Shannon about being a bad recruiter yet Golden, who is supposedly some great recruiter, can't recruit guys good enough to replace these so called Shannon scrubs.

Fsu had frosh starting on its national title team. you mean to tell me Golden can't find young guys good enough to replace players who were a large part of the worse defense in school history?

Rather you realize it or not you are saying golden is a below avg recruiter.

 

[LEmeyers]

So, this will make it 6 years straight without one of our players going in the first round?

That says a lot.

during those 6 years, who was the highest drafted?
Franklin and Harris, 2011
I mean, look at this list since 2009
to see the lack of high profile talent is amazing

2013 5 149 Brandon McGee CB St. Louis Rams
2013 6 189 Mike James RB Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2012 3 72 Olivier Vernon DE Miami Dolphins
2012 3 86 Sean Spence LB Pittsburgh Steelers
2012 4 97 Lamar Miller RB Miami Dolphins
2012 4 100 Travis Benjamin WR Cleveland Browns
2012 6 198 Tommy Streeter WR Baltimore Ravens
2012 6 200 Brandon Washington G Philadelphia Eagles
2011 2 46 Orlando Franklin T Denver Broncos
2011 2 60 Brandon Harris DB Houston Texans
2011 3 79 Leonard Hankerson WR Washington Redskins
2011 3 81 DeMarcus Van Dyke DB Oakland Raiders
2011 3 86 Allen Bailey DE Kansas City Chiefs
2011 4 109 Colin McCarthy LB Tennessee Titans
2011 6 181 Richard Gordon TE Oakland Raiders
2011 6 192 Matt Bosher P Atlanta Falcons
2010 3 95 Jimmy Graham TE New Orleans Saints
2010 4 102 Darryl Sharpton OLB Houston Texans
2010 4 128 Jason Fox T Detroit Lions
2010 7 235 Dedrick Epps TE San Diego Chargers
2009 6 176 Spencer Adkins LB Atlanta Falcons

The funny thing about this list is it's still better than a lot of teams we faced.

 

[TrueCane100]

And we won 9 games wow!!!!!

 

[TrueCane100]

Our talent level sucked on defense. No matter the scheme we were not gonna put out a decent defense. That doesn't excuse our defensive coaching staff from doing things like playing shayon Greene like he is some super athletic NFL OLB. Combine poor talent with poor coaching and you get the 500 yard club.

So golden is a poor recruiter and coach. Not good.

You realize that the talent that sucked on defense was brought in mostly by Randy Shannon, right? You either lack perspective or aren't bright. This years seniors are the class that Al cobbled together after randy hadn't done **** in recruiting his last class.. the juniors and below, those are ALL golden though.

You realize that this talent brought in by Shannon could not be supplanted by anyone Golden brought in right? So again, either golden can recruit or he can't.

I see people harping on Shannon about being a bad recruiter yet Golden, who is supposedly some great recruiter, can't recruit guys good enough to replace these so called Shannon scrubs.

Fsu had frosh starting on its national title team. you mean to tell me Golden can't find young guys good enough to replace players who were a large part of the worse defense in school history?

Rather you realize it or not you are saying golden is a below avg recruiter.

Please dont compare shannon who did so much damage abd set us back so far to golden 2 different levels golden had basically his hands tied with the probation shannon had whatever he wanted he set us back so far

 

[LEmeyers]

Our talent level sucked on defense. No matter the scheme we were not gonna put out a decent defense. That doesn't excuse our defensive coaching staff from doing things like playing shayon Greene like he is some super athletic NFL OLB. Combine poor talent with poor coaching and you get the 500 yard club.

So golden is a poor recruiter and coach. Not good.

I wouldn't say he is a poor recruiter and I don't think hes a poor coach. I just think he is an above average recuiter and proven so far to be an average coach. Excuse or not Golden walked into a very ****ty situation. If he was an elite coach we would be further along. He isn't so we are looking at another average season in year 4. Right now I think we are looking at a 9 to 10 win coach most seasons.

Golden walked into a situation that if he was a better x and o guy there would have been no issues. I see you agree with that. The issue here is golden in fact is a poor hc in every facet minus sounding like he knows what he doing. He sure hasn't shown anything on the field to suggest otherwise.

Penn st's then new hc walked into a ****** situation. He went 8-4 despite losing his best players for an entire year due to transfers etc. Golden on the other hand had some suspensions to deal with but lucky for him he opened with a 2-10 team. Oops. Choked that game away due to coaching. That's ok, he had everyone back against a 3-8 Boston college team, last game of the year, no bowl game for sr's so they should have been pumped......wrong. He chokes in this game as well.

Choking is nothing new with Golden. He did the samething at Temple.

 

[LEmeyers]

Our talent level sucked on defense. No matter the scheme we were not gonna put out a decent defense. That doesn't excuse our defensive coaching staff from doing things like playing shayon Greene like he is some super athletic NFL OLB. Combine poor talent with poor coaching and you get the 500 yard club.

So golden is a poor recruiter and coach. Not good.

You realize that the talent that sucked on defense was brought in mostly by Randy Shannon, right? You either lack perspective or aren't bright. This years seniors are the class that Al cobbled together after randy hadn't done **** in recruiting his last class.. the juniors and below, those are ALL golden though.

You realize that this talent brought in by Shannon could not be supplanted by anyone Golden brought in right? So again, either golden can recruit or he can't.

I see people harping on Shannon about being a bad recruiter yet Golden, who is supposedly some great recruiter, can't recruit guys good enough to replace these so called Shannon scrubs.

Fsu had frosh starting on its national title team. you mean to tell me Golden can't find young guys good enough to replace players who were a large part of the worse defense in school history?

Rather you realize it or not you are saying golden is a below avg recruiter.

Please dont compare shannon who did so much damage abd set us back so far to golden 2 different levels golden had basically his hands tied with the probation shannon had whatever he wanted he set us back so far

Ok. I won't compare the two. That's disrespecting Shannon. Before you laugh look at the information on available. Which coach had better wins his first three years?

 

[TrueCane100]

Please stop just stop !!! Randy shannon with help from coker set this program back so many years how can you defend that he was a lazy piece of ****... Then shapiro .... So golden gets dealt that hand and has us winning 9 games now the probation is over we should improve if we dont then obviously we will be looking for another staff golden to me can only be judged starting this year even though getting 9 wins last year was remarkable judgement starts this year

 

[mirvin88]

Hurns will have the best career of that bunch

 

[LUcanesfan]

"Locks on and controls. Walls off and seals. Widens the hole..."

 

[L A M P]

The issue here is golden in fact is a poor hc in every facet.

 

[DaU83]

Our talent level sucked on defense. No matter the scheme we were not gonna put out a decent defense. That doesn't excuse our defensive coaching staff from doing things like playing shayon Greene like he is some super athletic NFL OLB. Combine poor talent with poor coaching and you get the 500 yard club.

So golden is a poor recruiter and coach. Not good.

You realize that the talent that sucked on defense was brought in mostly by Randy Shannon, right? You either lack perspective or aren't bright. This years seniors are the class that Al cobbled together after randy hadn't done **** in recruiting his last class.. the juniors and below, those are ALL golden though.

You realize that this talent brought in by Shannon could not be supplanted by anyone Golden brought in right? So again, either golden can recruit or he can't.

I see people harping on Shannon about being a bad recruiter yet Golden, who is supposedly some great recruiter, can't recruit guys good enough to replace these so called Shannon scrubs.

Fsu had frosh starting on its national title team. you mean to tell me Golden can't find young guys good enough to replace players who were a large part of the worse defense in school history?

Rather you realize it or not you are saying golden is a below avg recruiter.

Was FSU's defense largely freshman and sophomores? I'm guessing not... having one or two "frosh" starting on the D doesn't really detract from the upperclassmen they have elsewhere, that they've been developing for years. Freshman and sophomore Dlineman for example, don't normally come in ready to dethrone much bigger/stronger guys.. even if they have more talent then they do. All evidence points to golden being, at the very least, an above average recruiter... the fact that we weren't playing all of those young guys ahead of more mature guys, doesn't really take anything away from them.. feel free to show me a breakdown of FSU's starting defensive lineup.. i'd love to see how many of those guys were freshman and sophomores.. in fact, do that for the top 5 defenses... you'll probably notice it doesn't work how you have magically thought it up... "if he's a good recruiter, he should be able to replace the guys that aren't good in 2 seasons" that's not how the real world works.

 

[DaU83]

Our talent level sucked on defense. No matter the scheme we were not gonna put out a decent defense. That doesn't excuse our defensive coaching staff from doing things like playing shayon Greene like he is some super athletic NFL OLB. Combine poor talent with poor coaching and you get the 500 yard club.

So golden is a poor recruiter and coach. Not good.

I wouldn't say he is a poor recruiter and I don't think hes a poor coach. I just think he is an above average recuiter and proven so far to be an average coach. Excuse or not Golden walked into a very ****ty situation. If he was an elite coach we would be further along. He isn't so we are looking at another average season in year 4. Right now I think we are looking at a 9 to 10 win coach most seasons.

Golden walked into a situation that if he was a better x and o guy there would have been no issues. I see you agree with that. The issue here is golden in fact is a poor hc in every facet minus sounding like he knows what he doing. He sure hasn't shown anything on the field to suggest otherwise.

Penn st's then new hc walked into a ****ty situation. He went 8-4 despite losing his best players for an entire year due to transfers etc. Golden on the other hand had some suspensions to deal with but lucky for him he opened with a 2-10 team. Oops. Choked that game away due to coaching. That's ok, he had everyone back against a 3-8 Boston college team, last game of the year, no bowl game for sr's so they should have been pumped......wrong. He chokes in this game as well.

Choking is nothing new with Golden. He did the samething at Temple.

golden did throw 4 interceptions against boston college...lol..

 

[LEmeyers]

Please stop just stop !!! Randy shannon with help from coker set this program back so many years how can you defend that he was a lazy piece of ****... Then shapiro .... So golden gets dealt that hand and has us winning 9 games now the probation is over we should improve if we dont then obviously we will be looking for another staff golden to me can only be judged starting this year even though getting 9 wins last year was remarkable judgement starts this year

First off I don't know enough about Shannon to call him lazy. Neither do you. In fact, you appear to be the lazy person in this group. What facts with links do you have to support Shannon being lazy? If Shannon was so lazy and Golden this great worker why are the results the same win total wise give or take a win? If Shannon was so lazy how did he manage to have more quality wins than Golden when comparing their first 3 years?

Golden won 9 games based solely on the weal schedule he faced. 10 teams with Atleast 5 losses. 9 with Atleast 6 losses. Worse in school history. This while returning more players with starting experince than some teams we faced combined I'm guessing.

 

[LA\^/]

So not one player on our defense is even projected to be drafted????

Wait wait where are the following
DT Renfrow
DT Porter
DT Robinson
DE Green
DE Gilbert
LB Gaines
LB Cornelius
DB Rodgers
DB Highsmith


SCHEME SCHEME SCHEME sucks lol

Your point is irrelevant when the point about the scheme is comparing our team against other teams that lack talent.

This is the Golden gang logic. Compare our Roster to BCS bowl team's yet have no explanation to the annihilation by mediocre teams and ACC bottom dwellers. Miami have more draftable players than teams with way better quality records. Just not adding up here.

The notion that we get dominated by lower talent is exaggerated in this board. Okay we lost to Duke, whom many believe have less talent, which i agree with. But, it can also be argued at that time maybe our talent was on par with them based off the fact we didn't have Duke or Dorsett on offense to go along with a horrible QB and the worst defense in Miami history. Most of the talent we had at the time were young freshman who couldn't make enough of a difference to overcome poor coaching.

Now, don't tell me the rest of our losses (VT, FSU, Louisville) have lesser talent. They clearly have more talent by a lot and it showed on the field.

 

[lauderdaleballer]

So not one player on our defense is even projected to be drafted????

Wait wait where are the following
DT Renfrow
DT Porter
DT Robinson
DE Green
DE Gilbert
LB Gaines
LB Cornelius
DB Rodgers
DB Highsmith


SCHEME SCHEME SCHEME sucks lol

Your point is irrelevant when the point about the scheme is comparing our team against other teams that lack talent.

This is the Golden gang logic. Compare our Roster to BCS bowl team's yet have no explanation to the annihilation by mediocre teams and ACC bottom dwellers. Miami have more draftable players than teams with way better quality records. Just not adding up here.

The notion that we get dominated by lower talent is exaggerated in this board. Okay we lost to Duke, whom many believe have less talent, which i agree with. But, it can also be argued at that time maybe our talent was on par with them based off the fact we didn't have Duke or Dorsett on offense to go along with a horrible QB and the worst defense in Miami history. Most of the talent we had at the time were young freshman who couldn't make enough of a difference to overcome poor coaching.

Now, don't tell me the rest of our losses (VT, FSU, Louisville) have lesser talent. They clearly have more talent by a lot and it showed on the field.

FSU definitely had more talent but not VT... VT had walk ons imoacting the game more than our starting defenders... They have a quslity coach, who gets the most out of his players... He has a TE starting at qb... And Louisville had a bunch of guys we didn't want... UL loss definitely hurt because you have a team filled with players we didn't want and we walked out on that field confused with the exception of the first defensive series...

At one point we have to say enough with the excuses... UNC and Wake should have never been a close game... This was the worst UNC defense in a long time... Wake have us a battle til the end and they lost their number 2 wideout who was killing us by half time... We struggled mightily to inferior competition all year long... Our talent isn't on Wakes level or UNC... That sad thing is most all of our opponents are bringing back their top productive players meanwhile we lost ours... I don't believe in addition by subtraction... Especially when the reserves rarely played or was not ready...

 

[LEmeyers]

Our talent level sucked on defense. No matter the scheme we were not gonna put out a decent defense. That doesn't excuse our defensive coaching staff from doing things like playing shayon Greene like he is some super athletic NFL OLB. Combine poor talent with poor coaching and you get the 500 yard club.

So golden is a poor recruiter and coach. Not good.

You realize that the talent that sucked on defense was brought in mostly by Randy Shannon, right? You either lack perspective or aren't bright. This years seniors are the class that Al cobbled together after randy hadn't done **** in recruiting his last class.. the juniors and below, those are ALL golden though.

You realize that this talent brought in by Shannon could not be supplanted by anyone Golden brought in right? So again, either golden can recruit or he can't.

I see people harping on Shannon about being a bad recruiter yet Golden, who is supposedly some great recruiter, can't recruit guys good enough to replace these so called Shannon scrubs.

Fsu had frosh starting on its national title team. you mean to tell me Golden can't find young guys good enough to replace players who were a large part of the worse defense in school history?

Rather you realize it or not you are saying golden is a below avg recruiter.

Was FSU's defense largely freshman and sophomores? I'm guessing not... having one or two "frosh" starting on the D doesn't really detract from the upperclassmen they have elsewhere, that they've been developing for years. Freshman and sophomore Dlineman for example, don't normally come in ready to dethrone much bigger/stronger guys.. even if they have more talent then they do. All evidence points to golden being, at the very least, an above average recruiter... the fact that we weren't playing all of those young guys ahead of more mature guys, doesn't really take anything away from them.. feel free to show me a breakdown of FSU's starting defensive lineup.. i'd love to see how many of those guys were freshman and sophomores.. in fact, do that for the top 5 defenses... you'll probably notice it doesn't work how you have magically thought it up... "if he's a good recruiter, he should be able to replace the guys that aren't good in 2 seasons" that's not how the real world works.

Break a top 5 defense for what? Don't need too. They obviously didn't have their programs worst defense in school history like Miami did. Again, with these players being so bad and Shannon being scum a horrible recruiter why can't Goldens guys come in a take their positions? Let me give you some examples....if Sean Taylor isn't behind Ed Reed he starts in 2001. Same for Rolle. Same for wilfork.

The problem is Golden a recruiting has been equally as poor as his coaching. Darius Smith? What impact did he have? Cory king? What about the kid Golden bragged in the newspapers about benching 225 40 times? What impact has he had? Grimble? The kid Miami stole from temple? What's he done? Earl Moore? What's he done? Junior Alexis ? Dequan Ivery?

The same issue you had with Shannon is now being done by Golden himself.

Alot of the better Shannon guys left early which is normal in cfb these days. At that point it's up to Golden to replace these players and he's obviously failed.

I mean, it's also obvious you feel that Shannon should have left Golden a complete team. Lmao. Well he did on offense and Golden screwed that up too. Lastly, there is zero evidence that suggest Golden would be any better with a talent advantage. The reality is his history suggest it doesn't matter. He still loses games he shouldn't be losing.