Can We All Agree On One Thing?

[The Franchise]

Wasn't Dorsey bound for Tennessee until Clausen committed there, and then he switched to us? This would be after the 1998 season, the year Tennessee won the national title, and 2 years removed from Peyton Manning. I think USC wanted him badly too. I think Dorsey was a pretty heralded QB coming in. He might not have been the #1 QB in the nation, but he wasn't some diamond in the rough either.

USC was crap at the time, and they didn't want him "badly". You guys love hyper-analyzing every fcking word like old ladies. Stick to the main point of the post, which was that our QB situation was dicier in 2000 than it is now. Instead of "unheralded" let's switch the word to "unknown commodity" who wasn't all that highly recruited or rated coming out of HS. Pretty sure he was a 3 star on most services and didn't have a bunch of big offers.

USC was coming off an 8-5 season, 3 years removed from the Rose Bowl. They were nowhere near the USC they'd be in 5 years, but they weren't UC-Santa Barbara either. But, if you want to scratch USC off (he did have an offer from USC, and chose Miami over USC), fine, let's just go with Tennessee, the defending national champs, where he did commit. That's not a big time offer? The defending national champs? They were second in the SEC to Florida in the mid to late 90s as a program.

So everyone who had an offer from UT at that period of time was a highly touted can't miss guy just because they won a NC the prior year? They went and got Claussen because they were so satisfied that Dorsey was the answer right because he was such a can't miss prospect?

Larry Coker must have been rolling in monster QBs coming off our great years in 2000 through 2003 right? We were great then, so every QB we signed must have been can't miss like Dan Steagall.

 

[Notsince1985]

Wasn't Dorsey bound for Tennessee until Clausen committed there, and then he switched to us? This would be after the 1998 season, the year Tennessee won the national title, and 2 years removed from Peyton Manning. I think USC wanted him badly too. I think Dorsey was a pretty heralded QB coming in. He might not have been the #1 QB in the nation, but he wasn't some diamond in the rough either.

USC was crap at the time, and they didn't want him "badly". You guys love hyper-analyzing every fcking word like old ladies. Stick to the main point of the post, which was that our QB situation was dicier in 2000 than it is now. Instead of "unheralded" let's switch the word to "unknown commodity" who wasn't all that highly recruited or rated coming out of HS. Pretty sure he was a 3 star on most services and didn't have a bunch of big offers.

Dorsey was sought after and was a 4 star.

Miramonte...USA Today Honorable Mention All-American...Gridiron Greats Preseason Top 100...a National Recruiting Advisor Preseason Top 100 pick...Max Emfinger National Blue Chip...selected to play in Texas-California All-Star game...garnered first-team All-Bay Area, County, and League honors...led his team to back-to-back North Coast Section 2A East Bay titles in his two seasons as the starting quarterback...in just two seasons, passed for 4,968 yards and 52 touchdowns...threw for 2,780 yards and 22 touchdowns as a senior in leading team to a 13-0 record...named to the San Francisco Times All-State first-team...threw for 3,500 yards and 40 touchdowns as a junior...timed at 4.65 in the 40...lettered in basketball as a junior and senior...averaged 10 points, eight rebounds and five steals per game as a senior...coached in football by Floyd Burnsed. Born 4/22/81...business management & organization major...full name is Kenneth Simon Dorsey...selected Miami over Tennessee and Southern California...son of Tom and Maggie Dorsey.

OK. Dorsey, who weighed 165 pounds when he got here and was virtually ignored by all the major programs in his area of the country (he wanted to go to Cal but they didn't want him) was Peyton Manning, John Elway, and Mike Vick all wrapped in one. Happy now? He was the most heralded player in the history of California HS football even though most of the major programs in his area completely ignored him, and he was basically an after-thought for a bad USC team.

Again, funny that you mention Peyton, when he committed to Tennessee

 

[supacane]

Stop this bull shhhh argument. Its not too much these days to ask a redshirt fr to be ready to play.....at all. From Tebow to Manzeil to Winston. Laundry Jones. All these dudes had monster Redshirt Fr Seasons because their coaches prepared to play. Its not a prerequisite to be a JR to play. Its an excuse. Period. Golden recruited Olsen. Its their player. Him not ready is on them when everyone know Morris was Sr and the job is up for grabs. Smh on blaming Shannon. Golden has SRs that he recruited. I know yall azzes dont want to believe it but its true. Take my word for it. Losers make excuses winner find solutions. Notice the difference between winning coaches. They never jump on the obvious excuses. No D and Golden are quick to cop out about cloud and kids and everything except themselves. Like they have no role in it. I hope someone grows some balls and let them know their salary will have to be earned soon enough. And sorry not every coach works out with time. They just don't. Get rid of No D and get someone from FSU or an SEC school to coach the D. 180 turn, not that pussified big ten crap

 

[The Franchise]

Wasn't Dorsey bound for Tennessee until Clausen committed there, and then he switched to us? This would be after the 1998 season, the year Tennessee won the national title, and 2 years removed from Peyton Manning. I think USC wanted him badly too. I think Dorsey was a pretty heralded QB coming in. He might not have been the #1 QB in the nation, but he wasn't some diamond in the rough either.

USC was crap at the time, and they didn't want him "badly". You guys love hyper-analyzing every fcking word like old ladies. Stick to the main point of the post, which was that our QB situation was dicier in 2000 than it is now. Instead of "unheralded" let's switch the word to "unknown commodity" who wasn't all that highly recruited or rated coming out of HS. Pretty sure he was a 3 star on most services and didn't have a bunch of big offers.

Dorsey was sought after and was a 4 star.

Miramonte...USA Today Honorable Mention All-American...Gridiron Greats Preseason Top 100...a National Recruiting Advisor Preseason Top 100 pick...Max Emfinger National Blue Chip...selected to play in Texas-California All-Star game...garnered first-team All-Bay Area, County, and League honors...led his team to back-to-back North Coast Section 2A East Bay titles in his two seasons as the starting quarterback...in just two seasons, passed for 4,968 yards and 52 touchdowns...threw for 2,780 yards and 22 touchdowns as a senior in leading team to a 13-0 record...named to the San Francisco Times All-State first-team...threw for 3,500 yards and 40 touchdowns as a junior...timed at 4.65 in the 40...lettered in basketball as a junior and senior...averaged 10 points, eight rebounds and five steals per game as a senior...coached in football by Floyd Burnsed. Born 4/22/81...business management & organization major...full name is Kenneth Simon Dorsey...selected Miami over Tennessee and Southern California...son of Tom and Maggie Dorsey.

OK. Dorsey, who weighed 165 pounds when he got here and was virtually ignored by all the major programs in his area of the country (he wanted to go to Cal but they didn't want him) was Peyton Manning, John Elway, and Mike Vick all wrapped in one. Happy now? He was the most heralded player in the history of California HS football even though most of the major programs in his area completely ignored him, and he was basically an after-thought for a bad USC team.

Again, funny that you mention Peyton, when he committed to Tennessee

You're right. Your logical analysis convinced me. UT won a NC the year before, so all of their recruits after that were automatically can't miss prospects. I already conceded that everyone UT recruited was a can't miss prospect. Just like every QB Larry Coker recruited was a can't miss prospect. Dan Steagall was killer because we won a NC a couple years before he signed with us. So was Derrick Crudup.

 

[Notsince1985]

Wasn't Dorsey bound for Tennessee until Clausen committed there, and then he switched to us? This would be after the 1998 season, the year Tennessee won the national title, and 2 years removed from Peyton Manning. I think USC wanted him badly too. I think Dorsey was a pretty heralded QB coming in. He might not have been the #1 QB in the nation, but he wasn't some diamond in the rough either.

USC was crap at the time, and they didn't want him "badly". You guys love hyper-analyzing every fcking word like old ladies. Stick to the main point of the post, which was that our QB situation was dicier in 2000 than it is now. Instead of "unheralded" let's switch the word to "unknown commodity" who wasn't all that highly recruited or rated coming out of HS. Pretty sure he was a 3 star on most services and didn't have a bunch of big offers.

USC was coming off an 8-5 season, 3 years removed from the Rose Bowl. They were nowhere near the USC they'd be in 5 years, but they weren't UC-Santa Barbara either. But, if you want to scratch USC off (he did have an offer from USC, and chose Miami over USC), fine, let's just go with Tennessee, the defending national champs, where he did commit. That's not a big time offer? The defending national champs? They were second in the SEC to Florida in the mid to late 90s as a program.

So everyone who had an offer from UT at that period of time was a highly touted can't miss guy just because they won a NC the prior year? They went and got Claussen because they were so satisfied that Dorsey was the answer right because he was such a can't miss prospect?

Larry Coker must have been rolling in monster QBs coming off our great years in 2000 through 2003 right? We were great then, so every QB we signed must have been can't miss like Dan Steagall.

First, Dorsey wasn't some after thought, not for Tennessee, and not for Miami, but can think what you want, while I'll remember how his recruitment played out. Second, I don't really care about the second part of your statement, since I'm not even commenting on that. I chose to comment on one specific part of this debate, and I did, proved my point, and now I'm done.

 

[CyberCane]

You wanna talk "unheralded" from that class? Clinton Portis is your man.

 

[Miami82]

You wanna talk "unheralded" from that class? Clinton Portis is your man.

I don't know about unheralded, lucky for us the dumbass gators wanted to make him a DB when he wanted to be a RB.

 

[Kirijax]

I see a coach who came to Miami and pulled us out of a freaking mess with some dignity. Last I checked, we have improved yearly. He seems to be a good recruiter with some coaching issues. He scored a whole bunch of points in my opinion when he led the run over to the fans after the Gators win last year.

But if they don't win at least the Coastal this year, then I'll start thinking he was the best guy to get us out of that mess, but he may not be the guy to lead the Canes to that fugly new championship trophy.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Regardless of whatever damage "The Cloud" did, we had more talent than VT and Duke last year. We got curbstomped. Next excuse.

Going by this logic we had more talent than ECU, Syracuse, VT in 98-99 when we were losing to them.
Obviously that meant nothing with regards to how 2000+ seasons would play out.
Sometimes for whatever reason talent is not the end all be all when a team is rebuilding.

 

[MIA42178]

I really though don't think qb is why we will struggle. It'll be defense again.
Whoever starts at qb will surprise. He's got lots of talent around him and a competent coordinator.

 

[561Cane]

Gunter is not a starter, god help us if Armbrister is one, and Heaps is a transfer that has not had one practice as a Cane.

There can be no excuses in 2014. Coastal Division title or the season will have been a failure.

10 senior starters on this team:

Perryman
Dorsett
Chickillo
Feliciano
Walford
Gunter
Pierre
Armbrister
McDermott
Heaps

The last three seasons are in the past. It's put up or shut up time.

 

[rok]

Gunter started all 12 games in 2013. Deal with it.

Armbrister is the starting SLB as of right now. Deal with it. Stop hating.

Heaps has 25 career starts. I'd like Olsen to win the job but it may not happen. Deal with it.

Deal with it.