Camp Notes from the Baseball Field?

[dhead23]

Good to read Jenkins now has a black jersey. I hope he starts to separate himself from the backups. We need him and Bush to produce on 09/07.

 

[Thoughtsoncanes]

IIRC a lot of people thought Danny Dilliard was a better Safety prospect than RB coming out of H.S.

Wouldn't be surprised to see him switch positions at some point, especially if Gus can pass him up on the depth chart this season. Plus with Yearby and Powell coming in I just don't see him having an impact in our running game anytime soon barring a serious rash of injuries.

 

[zone3cane]

I've given up on Dillard. You really can't teach someone to run like Marshawn Lynch or any other great power back. He's naturally timid.

he got his bell rung at Naples in the spring game and hurt his shoulder..he might be be thinking about the game too much....I agree it was his to take.

Lol who says they've given up on Dillard and is serious? that's like saying i've given up on Walter Tucker.

He was never recruited to be an impact player here, he is here to become a solid role player eventually thats it. He's a 220lb RB w/ good speed, as he gets older he'll start to trust his own strength... if he stays down w/ the "process" then he could develop into a reliable short yardage back and goal line back, who knows right now.

 

[gcane44]

Good to read Jenkins now has a black jersey. I hope he starts to separate himself from the backups. We need him and Bush to produce on 09/07.

But zone saw 8 practice clips that allowed him to determine that Jenkins shouldn't start. Forget the fact that coach recently said that Jamal Carter was behind right now (as to be expected of freshman), zone saw him make a tackle in a Canes Camp Report so he should start over Jenkins.

Now, I'm confused, I thought the Canes Camp Report videos were all-telling as to determining the future of every player.

 

[Biscuits]

Matt Porter @mattyports
Al Golden said WRs Allen Hurns and Rashawn Scott are nicked up. Also said "numbers are low" at WR; bringing them up is a recruiting focus.

I did a double-take when I heard this. Makes me think Goldens is one of those cats who is never happy.

Maybe he's right, strictly from a roster standpoint. We aren't two deep if running five wide.

But you'd be hard-pressed to find a more talented corps from top-to-bottom.

 

[zone3cane]

Good to read Jenkins now has a black jersey. I hope he starts to separate himself from the backups. We need him and Bush to produce on 09/07.

But zone saw 8 practice clips that allowed him to determine that Jenkins shouldn't start. Forget the fact that coach recently said that Jamal Carter was behind right now (as to be expected of freshman), zone saw him make a tackle in a Canes Camp Report so he should start over Jenkins.

Now, I'm confused, I thought the Canes Camp Report videos were all-telling as to determining the future of every player.

Naw Canes Camp reports are only snippets over hours of practices..... what i saw from Rayshawn Jenkins during last season, the spring game, and the small amount of practice footage is where i drew my conclusion that Rayshawn Jenkins isnt nowhere near as physical as he should be. Also he seems to lack the ability to find the ball and make plays in run support.

You all can say stop focusing on how big he is but thats a joke.... if you want to be one of the best safeties in CFB, you have to have an all around game. Also i expected Ray Jenkins to get back this fluid black jersey at some point b/c of the lack of depth around him.

The black jersey doesnt mean anything on that side of the safety position, accept for determining who is the least worst player that is going to start besides Deon Bush... Ray Jenkins has the most upside and is a better playmaker then Kc and AJ but eventually Jamal Carter is going to take his spot.

 

[gcane44]

The black jersey doesnt mean anything on that side of the safety position, accept for determining who is the least worst player that is going to start besides Deon Bush... Ray Jenkins has the most upside and is a better playmaker then Kc and AJ but eventually Jamal Carter is going to take his spot.

That's inaccurate though. The black jersey most definitely means something more than just running with the 1s by default. Only 8 guys were wearing black today, and one of them was the punter. So, Jenkins was selected by the coaches to warrant a black jersey based off of his performance, not based off of the inferior performances of the other safeties. I'm a big Carter fan. But, I do not see him playing much at safety this season. Special teams at most IMO.

Everyone is in agreement that Bush is our top safety. He is easily one of our top players on the team. But, I do think Jenkins will prove to be **** good in his own right. I'm starting to think he doesn't consistently show up for practice, though. Which is a problem. I have no doubt he will be a gamer though

 

[dhead23]

Sounds like you have high expectations for a true sophomore who's never played safety in high school nor played extended minutes for a whole season.

To your point, he'll probably continue to struggle some but my hope is that he'll continues to learn the position and grow over the season. Also, why gloss are the positive and only focus on the negative?

 

[Picksix]

Good to read Jenkins now has a black jersey. I hope he starts to separate himself from the backups. We need him and Bush to produce on 09/07.

But zone saw 8 practice clips that allowed him to determine that Jenkins shouldn't start. Forget the fact that coach recently said that Jamal Carter was behind right now (as to be expected of freshman), zone saw him make a tackle in a Canes Camp Report so he should start over Jenkins.

Now, I'm confused, I thought the Canes Camp Report videos were all-telling as to determining the future of every player.

Naw Canes Camp reports are only snippets over hours of practices..... what i saw from Rayshawn Jenkins during last season, the spring game, and the small amount of practice footage is where i drew my conclusion that Rayshawn Jenkins isnt nowhere near as physical as he should be. Also he seems to lack the ability to find the ball and make plays in run support.

You all can say stop focusing on how big he is but thats a joke.... if you want to be one of the best safeties in CFB, you have to have an all around game. Also i expected Ray Jenkins to get back this fluid black jersey at some point b/c of the lack of depth around him.

The black jersey doesnt mean anything on that side of the safety position, accept for determining who is the least worst player that is going to start besides Deon Bush... Ray Jenkins has the most upside and is a better playmaker then Kc and AJ but eventually Jamal Carter is going to take his spot.

Jenkins was a true freshman last year. Spring games mean jack. How could you draw any conclusions on Jenkins so far. The dude is going to be a beast and if you want to talk about physicality then let's address how Bush is injury prone so far?

 

[zone3cane]

Sounds like you have high expectations for a true sophomore who's never played safety in high school nor played extended minutes for a whole season.

To your point, he'll probably continue to struggle some but my hope is that he'll continues to learn the position and grow over the season. Also, why gloss are the positive and only focus on the negative?

i understand that Ray Jenkins is only a sophomore, and i do like his ability as a playmaker, but he needs to step it up in run support.... he seems more inconsistent then he probably is b/c you never see him coming down in run support or making an open field tackle once the ball carrier breaks. He is still learning and i give all of our young dbs some leeway going into this season b/c i expect them to still have errors in their technique and blow assignments in coverage.

Honestly Its just me, but when ppl start trying to "crown" him and say "he's better in coverage then Deon" or he can be as good as Deon.... then it makes me want to see what am i missing that would make ppl say that, then i start to criticize more when i dont see it.

I think there are a lot of positives to his game but i just feel that most of his positives is based on his potential and not yet his current play on the field. I dont want to come off over negative about him, i just try to fairly critique his play especially since there hasnt been much talk about his performances being much better then the safeties that have received the brunt of the criticism by most UM fans.

 

[gcane44]

Sounds like you have high expectations for a true sophomore who's never played safety in high school nor played extended minutes for a whole season.

To your point, he'll probably continue to struggle some but my hope is that he'll continues to learn the position and grow over the season. Also, why gloss are the positive and only focus on the negative?

i understand that Ray Jenkins is only a sophomore, and i do like his ability as a playmaker, but he needs to step it up in run support.... he seems more inconsistent then he probably is b/c you never see him coming down in run support or making an open field tackle once the ball carrier breaks. He is still learning and i give all of our young dbs some leeway going into this season b/c i expect them to still have errors in their technique and blow assignments in coverage.

Honestly Its just me, but when ppl start trying to "crown" him and say "he's better in coverage then Deon" or he can be as good as Deon.... then it makes me want to see what am i missing that would make ppl say that, then i start to criticize more when i dont see it.

I think there are a lot of positives to his game but i just feel that most of his positives is based on his potential and not yet his current play on the field. I dont want to come off over negative about him, i just try to fairly critique his play especially since there hasnt been much talk about his performances being much better then the safeties that have received the brunt of the criticism by most UM fans.

I respect your stance. But, I think your execution and method in going about it is poor. You say you "try to fairly critique his play". BUT, the problem with that is that there is nothing fair about critiquing his play if you don't have access to practice. So you have not seen ANYTHING about his play this Fall. How can you "fairly critique" that?

Then, at the same time, someone critiques Gunter for getting burned in a few Canes camp clips and you proceed to say that that's unfair and probably not the whole story because we can't see practice and he must be doing something right to earn the black jersey. It reeks of inconsistency and bias and it gets old

 

[zone3cane]

Jenkins was a true freshman last year. Spring games mean jack. How could you draw any conclusions on Jenkins so far. The dude is going to be a beast and if you want to talk about physicality then let's address how Bush is injury prone so far?

I believe Rayshawn Jenkins is going to be a very good safety... but i think its a difference in him eventually being a very good safety and Deon Bush already being a very good safety.

Deon Bush's injury issue comes from the fact that he is one of the most physical safeties in the ACC... but he was only 185 pounds, he needed time to gain the weight to handle that responsibility. If there was a safety on the team that knew how to hit then Deon couldve played more of the free safety role instead of having to be a head hunter under 200 pounds.

Thats why i think Jamal Carter has the potential to better complement Deon..... he can play the downhill safety position and is athletic enough to make plays in coverage, which will allow a smaller Deon to move into the free safety spot where he can avoid having to be the first guy to come up in run support all the time.

Honestly I think Ray Jenkins should develop into this role as well, once he becomes more physical and trust his strength then he should be able to move into that role as well.... Deon can play the position the free safety position just as well if not better then Ray Jenkins right now it's just their is nobody that can effectively play the Strong safety role except for true freshman Jamal Carter, and he needs time before he can be trusted to start.

 

[zone3cane]

Sounds like you have high expectations for a true sophomore who's never played safety in high school nor played extended minutes for a whole season.

To your point, he'll probably continue to struggle some but my hope is that he'll continues to learn the position and grow over the season. Also, why gloss are the positive and only focus on the negative?

i understand that Ray Jenkins is only a sophomore, and i do like his ability as a playmaker, but he needs to step it up in run support.... he seems more inconsistent then he probably is b/c you never see him coming down in run support or making an open field tackle once the ball carrier breaks. He is still learning and i give all of our young dbs some leeway going into this season b/c i expect them to still have errors in their technique and blow assignments in coverage.

Honestly Its just me, but when ppl start trying to "crown" him and say "he's better in coverage then Deon" or he can be as good as Deon.... then it makes me want to see what am i missing that would make ppl say that, then i start to criticize more when i dont see it.

I think there are a lot of positives to his game but i just feel that most of his positives is based on his potential and not yet his current play on the field. I dont want to come off over negative about him, i just try to fairly critique his play especially since there hasnt been much talk about his performances being much better then the safeties that have received the brunt of the criticism by most UM fans.

I respect your stance. But, I think your execution and method in going about it is poor. You say you "try to fairly critique his play". BUT, the problem with that is that there is nothing fair about critiquing his play if you don't have access to practice. So you have not seen ANYTHING about his play this Fall. How can you "fairly critique" that?

Then, at the same time, someone critiques Gunter for getting burned in a few Canes camp clips and you proceed to say that that's unfair and probably not the whole story because we can't see practice and he must be doing something right to earn the black jersey. It reeks of inconsistency and bias and it gets old

The difference between someone saying that about Gunter and me saying what i say about Ray Jenkins is L. Gunter actually has the resume to show that he can ball.... he has already shown that he is very physical and he has shown that he can cover against our toughest opponents on the schedule.

Ray Jenkins came on late in the season making a couple plays in coverage against Duke and USF.... thats all good but i need to see more.

 

[zone3cane]

As far as Ray Jenkins having the black jersey goes.... in a couple days you can see KC Rodgers wearing the black jersey and Ray Jenkins back in Green. thats why i dont think whoever has the black jersey on that side of the safety position means much at this point.

 

[gcane44]

Sounds like you have high expectations for a true sophomore who's never played safety in high school nor played extended minutes for a whole season.

To your point, he'll probably continue to struggle some but my hope is that he'll continues to learn the position and grow over the season. Also, why gloss are the positive and only focus on the negative?

i understand that Ray Jenkins is only a sophomore, and i do like his ability as a playmaker, but he needs to step it up in run support.... he seems more inconsistent then he probably is b/c you never see him coming down in run support or making an open field tackle once the ball carrier breaks. He is still learning and i give all of our young dbs some leeway going into this season b/c i expect them to still have errors in their technique and blow assignments in coverage.

Honestly Its just me, but when ppl start trying to "crown" him and say "he's better in coverage then Deon" or he can be as good as Deon.... then it makes me want to see what am i missing that would make ppl say that, then i start to criticize more when i dont see it.

I think there are a lot of positives to his game but i just feel that most of his positives is based on his potential and not yet his current play on the field. I dont want to come off over negative about him, i just try to fairly critique his play especially since there hasnt been much talk about his performances being much better then the safeties that have received the brunt of the criticism by most UM fans.

I respect your stance. But, I think your execution and method in going about it is poor. You say you "try to fairly critique his play". BUT, the problem with that is that there is nothing fair about critiquing his play if you don't have access to practice. So you have not seen ANYTHING about his play this Fall. How can you "fairly critique" that?

Then, at the same time, someone critiques Gunter for getting burned in a few Canes camp clips and you proceed to say that that's unfair and probably not the whole story because we can't see practice and he must be doing something right to earn the black jersey. It reeks of inconsistency and bias and it gets old

The difference between someone saying that about Gunter and me saying what i say about Ray Jenkins is L. Gunter actually has the resume to show that he can ball.... he has already shown that he is very physical and he has shown that he can cover against our toughest opponents on the schedule.

Ray Jenkins came on late in the season making a couple plays in coverage against Duke and USF.... thats all good but i need to see more.

But, you don't need to see more on Carter. Gotcha

 

[DCF in LA]

I've given up on Dillard. You really can't teach someone to run like Marshawn Lynch or any other great power back. He's naturally timid.

Given the player development shown by this coaching staff of previously written off dudes over the first two seasons of their tenure, it's not wise to write *anyone* off.

 

[zone3cane]

Sounds like you have high expectations for a true sophomore who's never played safety in high school nor played extended minutes for a whole season.

To your point, he'll probably continue to struggle some but my hope is that he'll continues to learn the position and grow over the season. Also, why gloss are the positive and only focus on the negative?

i understand that Ray Jenkins is only a sophomore, and i do like his ability as a playmaker, but he needs to step it up in run support.... he seems more inconsistent then he probably is b/c you never see him coming down in run support or making an open field tackle once the ball carrier breaks. He is still learning and i give all of our young dbs some leeway going into this season b/c i expect them to still have errors in their technique and blow assignments in coverage.

Honestly Its just me, but when ppl start trying to "crown" him and say "he's better in coverage then Deon" or he can be as good as Deon.... then it makes me want to see what am i missing that would make ppl say that, then i start to criticize more when i dont see it.

I think there are a lot of positives to his game but i just feel that most of his positives is based on his potential and not yet his current play on the field. I dont want to come off over negative about him, i just try to fairly critique his play especially since there hasnt been much talk about his performances being much better then the safeties that have received the brunt of the criticism by most UM fans.

I respect your stance. But, I think your execution and method in going about it is poor. You say you "try to fairly critique his play". BUT, the problem with that is that there is nothing fair about critiquing his play if you don't have access to practice. So you have not seen ANYTHING about his play this Fall. How can you "fairly critique" that?

Then, at the same time, someone critiques Gunter for getting burned in a few Canes camp clips and you proceed to say that that's unfair and probably not the whole story because we can't see practice and he must be doing something right to earn the black jersey. It reeks of inconsistency and bias and it gets old

The difference between someone saying that about Gunter and me saying what i say about Ray Jenkins is L. Gunter actually has the resume to show that he can ball.... he has already shown that he is very physical and he has shown that he can cover against our toughest opponents on the schedule.

Ray Jenkins came on late in the season making a couple plays in coverage against Duke and USF.... thats all good but i need to see more.

But, you don't need to see more on Carter. Gotcha

lol i'm just answering your point on Gunter and Jenkins, Jamal Carter is a completely different situation. He hasnt had reps in live games like Ray Jenkins and L. Gunter. I think Jamal Carter is a better talent at safety then Ray Jenkins and he is WAY more physical then any other safety on the team not named Deon Bush.

All freshman come on at different times during the season.... i think he will get reps at safety a lot this season and i expect him to start making plays towards the middle of the season. Once he starts to get more and more comfortable playing at the speed of d-1 cfb then it's going to show that he is a better safety then Ray Jenkins. Thats just my opinion i dont have to be a part of the Ray Jenkins is "special" love fest b/c i choose not to be until he starts proving it.

 

[jnw4563]

IIRC a lot of people thought Danny Dilliard was a better Safety prospect than RB coming out of H.S.

Wouldn't be surprised to see him switch positions at some point, especially if Gus can pass him up on the depth chart this season. Plus with Yearby and Powell coming in I just don't see him having an impact in our running game anytime soon barring a serious rash of injuries.

That interesting because he has the size (6'2" 216) and speed to contribute at safety. I hope Golden give him a shot there before strongly suggesting a transfer to another college. I'm not saying that he will, but it seems like golden won't tolerate dead weight on the team.

 

[Coach Macho]

IIRC a lot of people thought Danny Dilliard was a better Safety prospect than RB coming out of H.S.

Wouldn't be surprised to see him switch positions at some point, especially if Gus can pass him up on the depth chart this season. Plus with Yearby and Powell coming in I just don't see him having an impact in our running game anytime soon barring a serious rash of injuries.

Safety? I don't know if he has the hips or feet for that. I can see LB though. But if he's not physical running the ball ain't no way in **** he's physical enough to play LB.

People that aren't physical enough for offense definitely don't move to defense. (it's the other way around)

 

[Coach Macho]

Was skeptical of the Dilliard signing since day one. His tape showed a kid who was simply getting by on being bigger and faster than everybody. A little back mentality stuck inside a big backs body. Hopefully he'll wake up one day and realize that he's huge.

He's only 220 or so, not that huge. Tall, but not big.

6'2" 220 is a big *** RB. Yeah, not "huge" but definitely too big to be *****-footin' through holes.

I look at Dilliard and I think of a kid who could leave her at 6'2" 235. That's a big SOB at RB.