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Breakdown of assignment weakness

dycane said:
Again, we don’t have a player on defense that starts for UGA, Bama, TX, or Oregon. Our DB and LB recruiting has been abysmal. We knew this before the season. It’s very clearly a talent and depth issue.
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Not sure what the "again" means, but if you've said this before it is still silly. To begin with the obvious, Bain wouldn't start?
 

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Calinative said:
Lets hope. Our Safeties (and LBs) need to improve their tackling. That is by far our weakest aspect of this defense right now - that when we are RELIANT on Meesh and Harris to make a critical tackle we've been getting ****ed. But it's not just them either, those two missing tackles have just had the worst consequences. DLine needs to stop over running Qbs and letting them escape easy sacks too.

If that doesn't happen and teams are still hitting big play after big play on us, there needs to be a schematic adjustment to put the guys in better situations. If the plays we are calling could work but we don't have players executing AND we don't have guys that can execute better - which we don't really, the only solution becomes running different plays. Just is what it is.

I agree though that as a whole our Defense has actually been good. I even said that 90%-95% of plays we are actually really good. Even after all the big plays we've allowed, we are still pretty **** good statistically. But the big plays we are currently allowing NEED to be cut in half at least, and if we don't cut that rate, it will lose us a game we shouldn't. It's to the point that if they don't step up it IS fully on the coaches to shift the defense to protect them from those situations. Maybe that means not as much blitzing, or maybe it means blitzing DBs more and having those guys in coverage with WRs more so you're just making them tackle WRs and not RBs 1v1 outside... Idk. But We need to be protecting our Safeties, and putting more pressure on our DLine to step up and make plays imo.
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Let’s see how we look with a healthier Bain and baron but if our front 4 can’t do the job im all for more zero blitzes. Live with the outcome. Our guys are so easily fooled in zone right now I’d rather them just rely on pure instinct in man. Which is what I think coaches line of thinking is. Just need more pressure
 
flips said:
There woulda been one more running explosive against VT had the QB not pulled the ball on an RPO (when 24 almost sacked him). Our DTs got wrecked, t hey pulled someone who destroyed #1 in the hole, and you can see the RB was hopping mad he didn't get the ball cause it woulda been an easy 50 yard TD.
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Also a long TD called back on a hold that may not have mattered
 
88 said:
Also a long TD called back on a hold that may not have mattered
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Yup it was on that same drive. They had our defense on skates the whole drive. They scored a TD on the scramble pass so net-net it didn't matter. Thought that drive was great example of what Guidry was talking about a few weeks ago re: halftime adjustments. We weren't able to counter what they were doing before the end of the first half, and they were able to cook us on that second half drive.
 
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JustAFanHTX said:
Let’s see how we look with a healthier Bain and baron but if our front 4 can’t do the job im all for more zero blitzes. Live with the outcome. Our guys are so easily fooled in zone right now I’d rather them just rely on pure instinct in man. Which is what I think coaches line of thinking is. Just need more pressure
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How is it possible that our guys are fooled in zone? Meesh is a fifth year, Porter too I believe, Harris and Richard are third years, not sure if Hill is a second year or a third year too, OJ hasn’t been a problem. They certainly have enough experience to handle zone. You sure it’s not the man/zone hybrid schemes or sheer number of scheme adjustments being called (e.g. to allow for blitzes coming from all over)? I worry Guidry is playing too aggressive as well as complex, and I normally love aggressive.
 
grover said:
Okay, so what do you do if you're Guidry or Jackson in this case? Do you throw up your hands and let them play through it? Do you rotate in new players (do we have any good enough)? Or do you make schematic adjustments that prevent the freelancing?
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We gotta hope these dudes grow up fast imo

Maybe I’m just weirdly optimistic but I think we can

Kiko and Meesh are better imo than they’ve been playing. Harris has progressed steadily since he’s been here but being a new starter it’s some lumps. Hill seems to be getting more comfortable in general etc Sure we have a talent issue but I expect better

It’s been ugly as **** at times for sure but with a bye and Guidry facing our first familiar foe of the year, I think we find out a lot this week
 
Are we allowed to have our best pass rushers healthy for more than 3 plays before we attend the defense’s funeral?

We knew we didn’t have an absurd amount of talent on that side coming into the year. #4 is arguably the best defensive player in the conference, we’re not losing that and just not missing a beat. Let’s see what happens when he’s a full go, with Alston and Baron rested on the other side.
 
Memnon said:
21 missed tackles can't be the Coaches fault, that would insinuate that the Coaches are literally not teaching them how to tackle. 21 missed tackles is a matter of Effort & physical will.

The systemic problem is that they're not actually that good.

But, here's an interesting dichotomy. On one hand, many of you will say to trust the Coaches on all their evals & that they essentially have a 100% hit rate, but then on the other hand, yall are saying it's the Coaches fault when those same players aren't playing well. So which is it?
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Coaches coach and players play…with that being said some bad evals imo
 
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grover said:
How is it possible that our guys are fooled in zone? Meesh is a fifth year, Porter too I believe, Harris and Richard are third years, not sure if Hill is a second year or a third year too, OJ hasn’t been a problem. They certainly have enough experience to handle zone. You sure it’s not the man/zone hybrid schemes or sheer number of scheme adjustments being called (e.g. to allow for blitzes coming from all over)? I worry Guidry is playing too aggressive as well as complex, and I normally love aggressive.
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I could be completely wrong (someone please educate me if so) but we seem to be playing a lot of match concepts to your point. Where we are getting burned is in the pass off (the split second where it goes from zone to man) in those concepts. And OC’s are putting us in constant conflict. The true freshman kid would be my highest graded secondary player for us if had to guess. Regardless of the play he seems to always make the right choice. Our slot defenders and safeties are EWWWW. Meesh isn’t too bad but he’s more of the same as far as just wanting to make int’s
 
dycane said:
Again, we don’t have a player on defense that starts for UGA, Bama, TX, or Oregon. Our DB and LB recruiting has been abysmal. We knew this before the season. It’s very clearly a talent and depth issue.
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Bain left?
 
grover said:
How is it possible that our guys are fooled in zone? Meesh is a fifth year, Porter too I believe, Harris and Richard are third years, not sure if Hill is a second year or a third year too, OJ hasn’t been a problem. They certainly have enough experience to handle zone. You sure it’s not the man/zone hybrid schemes or sheer number of scheme adjustments being called (e.g. to allow for blitzes coming from all over)? I worry Guidry is playing too aggressive as well as complex, and I normally love aggressive.
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In fairness, some dudes that don't have it between the ears struggle with zone, because it requires discipline and thought. You have to have faith that the guy responsible for his area has it and you are handling yours. Sometimes these guys want to play hero ball and leave their assignment leaving gaping openings.
 
JustAFanHTX said:
I could be completely wrong (someone please educate me if so) but we seem to be playing a lot of match concepts to your point. Where we are getting burned is in the pass off (the split second where it goes from zone to man) in those concepts. And OC’s are putting us in constant conflict. The true freshman kid would be my highest graded secondary player for us if had to guess. Regardless of the play he seems to always make the right choice. Our slot defenders and safeties are EWWWW. Meesh isn’t too bad but he’s more of the same as far as just wanting to make int’s
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That’s certainly what I saw v Cal but I’m no expert. DBs appeared lost in the handoffs.
 
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