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I might be in the minority, and God knows I've been labeled as being negative many times in the past....but I disagree from a relative standpoint with a lot that's been posted in this thread.

I see correctable mistakes, at least half of those over-40 yard big plays yielded have been straight up blown coverages. There's been at least 3 instances I've counted alone where an outside corner was in clear outside third coverage responsibility and clearly blew his assignment and didn't honor the outer shell of the coverage. Pure brain farts.

What you can't fake is pass rushing ability...and we have that in spades. Call me crazy but I think this defense can show marked improvement as the season goes on. Guidry may need to simplify his zone calls and mix in more man...but there is no reason we can't be , at the very least, an average defense. Our yards per play metric when you remove the 11 huge broken plays we've given up has actually been really good. I know those 11 plays count but my point is the problem has not been pervasive on every possession.

This week's game will be telling. I expect to see a revised dumbed down version of the defense to allow these kids to play faster. If what I think I'm seeing is what's going on...the bye week came at the perfect time.
 
Memnon said:
Are you guys sure you read that article in its entirety?

Because if you did, idk how you can come away with the conclusion its Coaching.

Pretty much every example he highlighted was guys missing plays due to poor eye discipline & not knowing their assignments.

The majority of our big gash yardage plays have been either LB's or Safeties literally not knowing where they're supposed to be in relations to the call of the Defense. That's not Coaching, that's a lack of understanding your assignment because you're either not doing film study or you simply can't retain the information being taught to you.

The LB unit & DB group are abandoning their fundamentals & playing the way they want to, as opposed to what they're being told. Now that you can blame on Coaching, but the majority of the big plays are not of a result of bad Defensive calls, but rather a result of players not trusting what they practiced.
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This is literally the coach's job - to ensure the players know where they're supposed to be and running a scheme that fits their personnel. Like others have said, far less talented Back 7's don't allow the number of explosive plays that we do. That's on the coaching.
 
Miami's defensive metrics are top 20 in almost everything other than explosiveness. (Letting up explosive plays)

Miami is DEAD LAST in college football in preventing run game explosiveness. Even with this we are 37th in Rushing success rate.

We're ok when it comes to stopping the run more times than not, but when we don't we get hurt.

To be dead last, no ones going to convince me that isn't a mix of talent AND coaching. When its that bad it's not black or white

If we button that up and become just respectable in that regard the defense will be good enough to beat anybody with our offense.

Just limit the big play and give our d line - with Bain back - more opportunities to get to the QB, ruin drives, and cause turnovers.
 
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The current highest paid DC in college football used to be our DC. We saw a dramatic drop in D when he took over here. At some point we have to admit there is a multi coach issue with player culture.
 
hoops156 said:
move Kiko to a stand up rusher and thats it for him. time to move on.

more OJ, move porter to outside, meesh to nickel, and Zay to Safety. jades Richard needs to go back to vandy
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I prefer Powell playing in coverage and maybe use Zay as a nickel/hybrid player. Powell’s run support is terrible but he’s a decent free safety. Let him play center field
 
Jedi Master Cane said:
I might be in the minority, and God knows I've been labeled as being negative many times in the past....but I disagree from a relative standpoint with a lot that's been posted in this thread.

I see correctable mistakes, at least half of those over-40 yard big plays yielded have been straight up blown coverages. There's been at least 3 instances I've counted alone where an outside corner was in clear outside third coverage responsibility and clearly blew his assignment and didn't honor the outer shell of the coverage. Pure brain farts.

What you can't fake is pass rushing ability...and we have that in spades. Call me crazy but I think this defense can show marked improvement as the season goes on. Guidry may need to simplify his zone calls and mix in more man...but there is no reason we can't be , at the very least, an average defense. Our yards per play metric when you remove the 11 huge broken plays we've given up has actually been really good. I know those 11 plays count but my point is the problem has not been pervasive on every possession.

This week's game will be telling. I expect to see a revised dumbed down version of the defense to allow these kids to play faster. If what I think I'm seeing is what's going on...the bye week came at the perfect time.
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@Jedi Master Cane do you think the Harris and Richard mistakes can be corrected? Honest question. Those two worry me the most. I do feel OJ, Porter, Hill and Meesh can button things up, especially with simpler / more conservative coverage schemes. But I worry about the other two.
 
Memnon said:
Are you guys sure you read that article in its entirety?

Because if you did, idk how you can come away with the conclusion its Coaching.

Pretty much every example he highlighted was guys missing plays due to poor eye discipline & not knowing their assignments.

The majority of our big gash yardage plays have been either LB's or Safeties literally not knowing where they're supposed to be in relations to the call of the Defense. That's not Coaching, that's a lack of understanding your assignment because you're either not doing film study or you simply can't retain the information being taught to you.

The LB unit & DB group are abandoning their fundamentals & playing the way they want to, as opposed to what they're being told. Now that you can blame on Coaching, but the majority of the big plays are not of a result of bad Defensive calls, but rather a result of players not trusting what they practiced.
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The article seems to be missing now so I can't comment on it specifically. But a couple observations- if the problem is purely talent related, then it is hard to explain the significant improvement in the second half of games that has happened all season, especially in the last two games. If we have no talent, then we should be getting lit up for all 4 quarters. In both the Cal and VT games, the D gave up only around 160 yards total and 10 pts in the 2nd half. Consecutive games- just 10 pts allowed in the 2nd half. I don't have a theory for why they are shutting down offenses in the second half, especially when it's crunch time and any more slipups will make it nearly impossible to come back. Maybe at half time of the games, the defensive players realize that freelancing is killing them and finally trust the DC. My best guess is that it has something to do with our offense. We scored 7 pts in the first half against Cal. Ward was abysmal, just missing open receivers and forcing balls into coverage. The defense was taking over after Cal had big momentum shifts (turnover on downs, INTs, 3 and outs etc) and Cal was capitalizing on the momentum. Still the fact that the defense has been decent in the 2nd half of games leads me still have hope that it is capable of doing so in the first half of games as well.
 
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Memnon said:
Are you guys sure you read that article in its entirety?

Because if you did, idk how you can come away with the conclusion its Coaching.

Pretty much every example he highlighted was guys missing plays due to poor eye discipline & not knowing their assignments.

The majority of our big gash yardage plays have been either LB's or Safeties literally not knowing where they're supposed to be in relations to the call of the Defense. That's not Coaching, that's a lack of understanding your assignment because you're either not doing film study or you simply can't retain the information being taught to you.

The LB unit & DB group are abandoning their fundamentals & playing the way they want to, as opposed to what they're being told. Now that you can blame on Coaching, but the majority of the big plays are not of a result of bad Defensive calls, but rather a result of players not trusting what they practiced.
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Brother they just don’t get it.. I’ve been watching film over and over again and I can’t find more a than a few calls by the coordinator that were bad. These kids are crashing out on their own.. that is not coaching it’s lack of preparation and also not being able to maintain discipline. Now opposing coordinators know how to get them to bite and we’re blaming Guidry when in reality his calls are spot on
 
JustAFanHTX said:
Brother they just don’t get it.. I’ve been watching film over and over again and I can’t find more a than a few calls by the coordinator that were bad. These kids are crashing out on their own.. that is not coaching it’s lack of preparation and also not being able to maintain discipline. Now opposing coordinators know how to get them to bite and we’re blaming Guidry when in reality his calls are spot on
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Okay, so what do you do if you're Guidry or Jackson in this case? Do you throw up your hands and let them play through it? Do you rotate in new players (do we have any good enough)? Or do you make schematic adjustments that prevent the freelancing?
 
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grover said:
Okay, so what do you do if you're Guidry or Jackson in this case? Do you throw up your hands and let them play through it? Do you rotate in new players (do we have any good enough)? Or do you make schematic adjustments that prevent the freelancing?
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In OUR case I think we’re going what we can do but letting them take their lumps. IMO this bye week came at the perfect time to hone back in on some things. Experience is the best teacher for our secondary. Our linebackers are another case our most talented guys aren’t ready. The adjustment you all want I believe will come Saturday. I think you’ll see a much better product than the last few weeks. They had the time to change some things week to week is harder
 
We've recruited subpar at both positions & somehow we always think it's coaching. Steele forgot how to call plays but was good enough for Bama. Blake Baker was trash but yet landed at Mizzou/LSU.

Here's a thought: Maybe Miami kids football IQ just sucks. Maybe the lesser talented kids who had to grind harder in the weight/film rooms benefit from adjusting to adversity mid-games.

Maybe, just maybe we're told how good everyone is out on greentree by Footballville and the reality is we're still not elite at most positions.

Who cares. 6-0. Just keep winning.
 
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JustAFanHTX said:
In OUR case I think we’re going what we can do but letting them take their lumps. IMO this bye week came at the perfect time to hone back in on some things. Experience is the best teacher for our secondary. Our linebackers are another case our most talented guys aren’t ready. The adjustment you all want I believe will come Saturday. I think you’ll see a much better product than the last few weeks. They had the time to change some things week to week is harder
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Lets hope. Our Safeties (and LBs) need to improve their tackling. That is by far our weakest aspect of this defense right now - that when we are RELIANT on Meesh and Harris to make a critical tackle we've been getting ****ed. But it's not just them either, those two missing tackles have just had the worst consequences. DLine needs to stop over running Qbs and letting them escape easy sacks too.

If that doesn't happen and teams are still hitting big play after big play on us, there needs to be a schematic adjustment to put the guys in better situations. If the plays we are calling could work but we don't have players executing AND we don't have guys that can execute better - which we don't really, the only solution becomes running different plays. Just is what it is.

I agree though that as a whole our Defense has actually been good. I even said that 90%-95% of plays we are actually really good. Even after all the big plays we've allowed, we are still pretty **** good statistically. But the big plays we are currently allowing NEED to be cut in half at least, and if we don't cut that rate, it will lose us a game we shouldn't. It's to the point that if they don't step up it IS fully on the coaches to shift the defense to protect them from those situations. Maybe that means not as much blitzing, or maybe it means blitzing DBs more and having those guys in coverage with WRs more so you're just making them tackle WRs and not RBs 1v1 outside... Idk. But We need to be protecting our Safeties, and putting more pressure on our DLine to step up and make plays imo.
 
88 said:
Miami's defensive metrics are top 20 in almost everything other than explosiveness. (Letting up explosive plays)

Miami is DEAD LAST in college football in preventing run game explosiveness. Even with this we are 37th in Rushing success rate.

We're ok when it comes to stopping the run more times than not, but when we don't we get hurt.

To be dead last, no ones going to convince me that isn't a mix of talent AND coaching. When its that bad it's not black or white

If we button that up and become just respectable in that regard the defense will be good enough to beat anybody with our offense.

Just limit the big play and give our d line - with Bain back - more opportunities to get to the QB, ruin drives, and cause turnovers.
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There woulda been one more running explosive against VT had the QB not pulled the ball on an RPO (when 24 almost sacked him). Our DTs got wrecked, t hey pulled someone who destroyed #1 in the hole, and you can see the RB was hopping mad he didn't get the ball cause it woulda been an easy 50 yard TD.
 
bacane said:
Just a thought . . . maybe it's coaching/system and talent issue.
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I think what is clear is that there are teams with equal and worse back 7 talent that play within themselves and don't bust assignments as frequently and as a result are preventing explosives at a much better rate.

Ohio State's loaded defense got BBQ'd by Oregon anyway so we don't need the defense to make some huge leap into an elite unit, these playoff games are gonna be shootouts, just make teams earn it and bow up in the red zone.
 
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