AQM

[LuCane]

But going back to what you've said in terms of looking at the context of how players are judged, go back to the end of the 98 season where the defense fell apart so bad that Bill Miller got fired. Well, that unit had the likes of Ed Reed, Damione Lewis, Morgan, Webster, Michael Smith( very talented before he wrecked his knee the following year), Leonard Myers, and a couple of other guys who ended up being good players and getting drafted ---- but they were all young pups

Yes, experience absolutely matters..

The dopes don't understand that simple point. You can have all the talent in the world, but if it's all young guys, then you're going to struggle badly. That's why I always make it a point to remind people that Ed Reed as a freshmans or sophomore was not the same Ed Reed you saw as a senior or in the NFL dominating.

I distinctly remember Reed really struggling in the first part of 99, whiffed on a tackle vs Ohio State that lead to a long run in the Meadowlands( I went to that game) and there is still a debate if he loafed it on the Chafie Fields debacle.

Ed Reed wasn't Ed Reed'n till his junior year....

I'm with you guys on the youth issues, especially the closer you get into the trenches. The DLine last year looked like a bunch of buddhas on shopping carts. Part of that was not having top-end talent. Another part of that was having babies line up against men.

What I look for in young players aren't the mistakes they make, but the ceiling they flash. A guy like Ed Reed made a ton of mistakes early on, but they simply couldn't keep him off the field. Even when Delvin Brown (think a S version of Darius Smith for you much younger guys) showed some talent and tried to keep a spot in our Safety tandem, Reed couldn't be kept off the field.

Some current examples of that? Deon Bush, Rayshawn Jenkins, Earl Moore, Mccord, Ereck Flowers, Malcolm Lewis, Tracy Howard, Antonio Crawford. The situations aren't perfectly the same as in '97 and '98, but there are some similarities of extremely young guys who forced themselves on to the field.

The future is brighter than people seem to acknowledge. Golden's biggest job is going to be to glue all that talent together and augment it (seal it) with some JuCo DL help.

Great post, but Earl Moore?

He may never become great, but (1) there's no reason he should have been on the field as a starter at all last year over even blah older guys and (2) I think he may force his way on to the field this year. He's a 2nd year DT this year. Unless they're incredibly special players, between 2nd and 3rd year is when we see DTs begin to take form.

 

[Shogungts]

The future is brighter than people seem to acknowledge. Golden's biggest job is going to be to glue all that talent together and augment it (seal it) with some JuCo DL help.

I agree; my fear is that most of the team is going to come together next year (especially the defense), but we are going to have a new signal caller. I feel good about the future, of the team and QB, but (with a few exceptions) it's not common that you see teams with freshman QBs play up to the rest of the teams potential.

 

[jw410]

McCord was smaller and weaker, and he still got a lot a burn last year. Gabe Terry weighed about 198 and he played down on some passing downs.

Considering the alternatives, AQM is more than ready at 230 pounds. He also has long arms and plays bigger than his size. He will be a factor.

D, the problem with the McCord and Terry examples is that they both had no business playing last year. They got abused. I think AQM is better than them and more advanced physically, but to expect anything more than some sparse situational production from a true freshmans at his size on the DL is setting him up for failure.

The question presented, as I understood it, was whether AQM could contribute to this team as a freshman. I think he can because he's better than what we got.

As for how successful he'll be, I think he will surprise people. Barkevious Mingo was only 235-240 as a senior last year. The rules are different for athletic, long players like AQM. If he is really 230 and is as talented as he looks, I wouldn't be surprised to see him get 5-6 sacks and play starter's level snaps by the end of the year.

What did Mingo do as a true freshmans because I think that's the more relevant comparison? I expect AQM to make a few plays this year. I also expect him to be a big liability at times. Such is the quandary of playing true freshmans on the DL.

Chise
Mingo's FR stats:
Appeared in 13 games 35 total tackles
5.5 TFL
2.5 sacks
6 PBU
4 Forced Fumbles
2 Qb hurries

 

[LuCane]

I'd take those stats (Mingo's freshman year) for AQM right now and call it a day. 4 forced fumbles in only 35 tackles? Was he playing with a knife?

 

[LuCane]

The future is brighter than people seem to acknowledge. Golden's biggest job is going to be to glue all that talent together and augment it (seal it) with some JuCo DL help.

I agree; my fear is that most of the team is going to come together next year (especially the defense), but we are going to have a new signal caller. I feel good about the future, of the team and QB, but (with a few exceptions) it's not common that you see teams with freshman QBs play up to the rest of the teams potential.

Sorta pointless going forward, but imagine this team with Stephen Morris as a rising RS junior right now.

 

[The Franchise]

The future is brighter than people seem to acknowledge. Golden's biggest job is going to be to glue all that talent together and augment it (seal it) with some JuCo DL help.

I agree; my fear is that most of the team is going to come together next year (especially the defense), but we are going to have a new signal caller. I feel good about the future, of the team and QB, but (with a few exceptions) it's not common that you see teams with freshman QBs play up to the rest of the teams potential.

Sorta pointless going forward, but imagine this team with Stephen Morris as a rising RS junior right now.

Yep. He'd have an incredible year this year and go pro early.

 

[The Franchise]

I'd take those stats (Mingo's freshman year) for AQM right now and call it a day. 4 forced fumbles in only 35 tackles? Was he playing with a knife?

If take them too, and that's pretty much what I'd expect this year from AQM. Although I'm pretty sure Mingo redshirted as a true freshmans.

 

[LuCane]

The future is brighter than people seem to acknowledge. Golden's biggest job is going to be to glue all that talent together and augment it (seal it) with some JuCo DL help.

I agree; my fear is that most of the team is going to come together next year (especially the defense), but we are going to have a new signal caller. I feel good about the future, of the team and QB, but (with a few exceptions) it's not common that you see teams with freshman QBs play up to the rest of the teams potential.

Sorta pointless going forward, but imagine this team with Stephen Morris as a rising RS junior right now.

Yep. He'd have an incredible year this year and go pro early.

I hope it happens and he produces enough to be a 1st round pick. That's the best reason to leave early.

 

[JHallCanes]

I'd take those stats (Mingo's freshman year) for AQM right now and call it a day. 4 forced fumbles in only 35 tackles? Was he playing with a knife?

If take them too, and that's pretty much what I'd expect this year from AQM. Although I'm pretty sure Mingo redshirted as a true freshmans.

Yes, Mingo was a RS

 

[BigPoppaCane]

IS AQM IN?

 

[pcitycane]

IS AQM IN?

NAW NOT YET

 

[jnw4563]

Can someone give a summary on AQM form canesports.

 

[Udaman]

Here you go. Quotes are from Canesport.

Muhammad says "I don't want to talk specifics" of when he'll arrive on campus but says "Absolutely I'm all set. I'm straight, getting ready to come out. I'm not sure when I'm coming, though."

He does say that "I'm excited, ready to go. The fans are in for a show."

Muhammad says he's training hard while waiting to arrive - "I'm 230 pounds, have gotten faster, stronger. I've also been watching film from last year of Miami, the defenses they run, watched on YouTube. I've been practicing getting off the ball, moves."

 

[Ethnicsands]

I love Perryman, he may not be Lewis, Vilma or Morgan, but the kid is a baller and hits like a mack truck. With improved DL play, he could easily be All-ACC.

Vilma and Morgan weren't Vilma and Morgan as sophomores either. Let Perryman do his thing for his whole career and then judge him.

Not to get into the rest of the morass this thread fell into, but Vilma was **** good as a sophomore. He was All Big East. And came up big in the NB game, amongst others.

All Big East was akin to being All ****** back in those days. I remember Vilma's career arc quite well, and I'm positive he wasn't the same player his sophomore year as he was his final year here. That was the point. He was good as a sophomore, and so was Perryman for that matter. But he wasn't the finished product just like Perryman isn't yet. I'm sure you get that point.

I just disagree on this one. Vilma was very good as a sophomore, and considerably better than Perryman, IMO. And you can dump on being all big east, but as a sophomore, it is evidence that he was a difference maker and got noted for it.

 

[moshated305]

Didnt McCord lead the team in sacks last year???..... i thought the staff did a very good job of using him in a way that allowed him to take advantage of his strengths on the field.

I don't think anyone on the team knew what a sack was last year. Chickillo lead the team with 4. McCord had 3.5. The rest of the team combined for 5.5. Yikes.

 

[crossover22[]_[]]

AQM is a must get. Him and chad together is the best DE group we've had in years.

 

[DC Dog Nuts]

I love Perryman, he may not be Lewis, Vilma or Morgan, but the kid is a baller and hits like a mack truck. With improved DL play, he could easily be All-ACC.

Vilma and Morgan weren't Vilma and Morgan as sophomores either. Let Perryman do his thing for his whole career and then judge him.

Not to get into the rest of the morass this thread fell into, but Vilma was **** good as a sophomore. He was All Big East. And came up big in the NB game, amongst others.

All Big East was akin to being All ****** back in those days. I remember Vilma's career arc quite well, and I'm positive he wasn't the same player his sophomore year as he was his final year here. That was the point. He was good as a sophomore, and so was Perryman for that matter. But he wasn't the finished product just like Perryman isn't yet. I'm sure you get that point.

I just disagree on this one. Vilma was very good as a sophomore, and considerably better than Perryman, IMO. And you can dump on being all big east, but as a sophomore, it is evidence that he was a difference maker and got noted for it.

Vilma had a bunch of talent around him that allowed him to roam free and make tackles. Perryman hasn't had a supporting cast.

 

[DC Dog Nuts]

McCord was smaller and weaker, and he still got a lot a burn last year. Gabe Terry weighed about 198 and he played down on some passing downs.

Considering the alternatives, AQM is more than ready at 230 pounds. He also has long arms and plays bigger than his size. He will be a factor.

He will flash a couple of times, probably mostly agains the likes of FAU. He will give our starters some much needed rest but I doubt he will be a factor the majority of the snaps he takes. He will become a non-factor at some point later in the season as his young body tires out.

 

[CANE1775]

I love Perryman, he may not be Lewis, Vilma or Morgan, but the kid is a baller and hits like a mack truck. With improved DL play, he could easily be All-ACC.

Vilma and Morgan weren't Vilma and Morgan as sophomores either. Let Perryman do his thing for his whole career and then judge him.

Not to get into the rest of the morass this thread fell into, but Vilma was **** good as a sophomore. He was All Big East. And came up big in the NB game, amongst others.

All Big East was akin to being All ****** back in those days. I remember Vilma's career arc quite well, and I'm positive he wasn't the same player his sophomore year as he was his final year here. That was the point. He was good as a sophomore, and so was Perryman for that matter. But he wasn't the finished product just like Perryman isn't yet. I'm sure you get that point.

I just disagree on this one. Vilma was very good as a sophomore, and considerably better than Perryman, IMO. And you can dump on being all big east, but as a sophomore, it is evidence that he was a difference maker and got noted for it.

During Vilma's sophomore year, people were criticizing our LB unit as a whole for pretty much the entire season up until the NC game.

 

[Canesfan1899]

AQM is a must get. Him and chad together is the best DE group we've had in years.

This, even if AQM's just a situational pass rusher this year.