Am I wrong in thinking, with the JUCO's that UM is tailing..

[The Franchise]

I've felt that we were a 10+ win team next year with a few key JuCo adds.

Namely DT and DE/rush OLB.

That was our main problem on D last year, not strung enough up the middle and no pressure off the edge. If we fix those issues with development and JuCo guys our defense should be considerably better. Having push up the middle and pressure off the edge should give coach D freedom to do more with his defense IMO.

It all starts up front, and the youth combined with guys who can't play effectively at this level of football decimated our D.

Plug in Porter all season along with a more physically mature and experienced Moore and Pierre and other guys with talent like McCord and Terry off the edge who needed time to grow and to learn the game, and your D is automatically way better.

It's no coincidence that when we had Porter, EJ, 52, and Bush all playing together for one or two games our D looked pretty good.

 

[5XNC]

Chise,
I think a healthy porter and a motivated Robinson to go along w Pierre and the young guys makes us much better in 2013. Would love one juco dt to start or be the 3rd guy, but, if guys stay healthy, think we can be ok next year. U obviously expect one or 2 out of the young guys to step up and provide quality depth.

 

[The Franchise]

Chise,
I think a healthy porter and a motivated Robinson to go along w Pierre and the young guys makes us much better in 2013. Would love one juco dt to start or be the 3rd guy, but, if guys stay healthy, think we can be ok next year. U obviously expect one or 2 out of the young guys to step up and provide quality depth.

Absolutely. The problem that fans have is that they think what they see from a freshman is what he is and what he'll always be. Some fans appear unable to grasp the concept that guys get better as they grow and mature, especially along the OL and DL. How many of our great DL were great players as freshmans or even as sophomores? Sapp? Kennedy? Maryland? Brown? Stubbs? Campbell? None of them. Look outside our program. Suh? Fairley? GUYS GET BETTER. Was Ed Reed as a freshmans as good as Ed Reed as a senior?

We need to be able to appreciate the fact that we were relying on guys who shouldn't have even been on the field at those DL strength positions. Those dudes should have been redshirting or developing with a few snaps in garbage time. Moore and King played monster minutes. Neither should have been on the field at all. McCord had no business playing as a true frosh. Terry either. Ivory? Nope. Pierre should have been allowed to RS instead of throwing him in the fire a couple years ago as a 265 pound baby. Pierre will leave here a 1st or 2nd rounder, but the fans haven't been able to see that yet.

 

[Picksix]

Chise,
I think a healthy porter and a motivated Robinson to go along w Pierre and the young guys makes us much better in 2013. Would love one juco dt to start or be the 3rd guy, but, if guys stay healthy, think we can be ok next year. U obviously expect one or 2 out of the young guys to step up and provide quality depth.

Absolutely. The problem that fans have is that they think what they see from a freshman is what he is and what he'll always be. Some fans appear unable to grasp the concept that guys get better as they grow and mature, especially along the OL and DL. How many of our great DL were great players as freshmans or even as sophomores? Sapp? Kennedy? Maryland? Brown? Stubbs? Campbell? None of them. Look outside our program. Suh? Fairley? GUYS GET BETTER. Was Ed Reed as a freshmans as good as Ed Reed as a senior?

We need to be able to appreciate the fact that we were relying on guys who shouldn't have even been on the field at those DL strength positions. Those dudes should have been redshirting or developing with a few snaps in garbage time. Moore and King played monster minutes. Neither should have been on the field at all. McCord had no business playing as a true frosh. Terry either. Ivory? Nope. Pierre should have been allowed to RS instead of throwing him in the fire a couple years ago as a 265 pound baby. Pierre will leave here a 1st or 2nd rounder, but the fans haven't been able to see that yet.

Chise,

The crappy defense had nothing to do with 22 true Sophomores or younger in the two deep this past season. If coach "NoD" would have ran more man defense we would have been better. It was his scheme that fielded the young and inexperienced defense with no depth. LOL!!!! Have to love our idiot fans sometimes.

This defense will be leaps and bounds better next season. Bigger, faster, stronger, and more year of experience is just what the doctor ordered. The players will lead through camps now because they've been through it now. They know what's expected of them now. They won't have to think about things as much and can go hard rather than go through the motions. This 2013 Canes team is going to be very hard to beat.

 

[mianjomar]

Not a big believer in relying on Juco's but we had the worse DT play last year that I can ever remember seeing in the half a century I've been watching the Canes

 

[RiDLer80]

Not a big believer in relying on Juco's but we had the worse DT play last year that I can ever remember seeing in the half a century I've been watching the Canes

You don't rely/build a team on JuCos. You accent what you have already with JuCos. You build entire classes on JuCo players and you're left with unbalanced rosters. JuCos are quick fixes and stop gaps to get balance. They're also hired hitmen for a year or two.

We have guys behind whatever JuCos we bring in this year, but they're not ready yet. The JuCos are ready to contribute this upcoming season to help us. I really feel like Golden isn't looking at 2014 as the year. If he was, he'd wait on our 2012 recruits to be third year players instead of going after JuCo guys.

 

[Picksix]

Not a big believer in relying on Juco's but we had the worse DT play last year that I can ever remember seeing in the half a century I've been watching the Canes

I can't remember a time when a Miami defense relied on True Sophomores and Freshmen to make up our D-line. Porter was out all season until the last couple of games. When he was in the D-line looked better. Smith should have never stepped on Miami's campus. Robinson finally started working out and buying in after three years and he makes one good play and him and his father knight him "best ever DT at Miami"?

Another year of getting bigger, stronger, and developing will make this defense much better for next season. Rome wasn't built in a day...

 

[RiDLer80]

Another year of Robinson in UTough. I excited to see how he plays 2 years removed from his Papa Johns diet.

Porter
Pierre
Robinson
JuCo DT

isn't a bad DT rotation. Throw in Moore and King a year bigger, stronger and faster and things are looking up. Gotta have Porter for more than 3 games though.

 

[Picksix]

Another year of Robinson in UTough. I excited to see how he plays 2 years removed from his Papa Johns diet.

Porter
Pierre
Robinson
JuCo DT

isn't a bad DT rotation. Throw in Moore and King a year bigger, stronger and faster and things are looking up. Gotta have Porter for more than 3 games though.

You're forgetting Ivery who I think has as much potential as any DT on our roster.

1st string- Porter and Pierre should be as solid as they come.
2nd string- The best of Robinson, Ivery, Moore, King, Briscoe, and Grimble? Two of those 6 are going to emerge and ball out. A JUCO stud will be icing on the cake. I don't think DT is in as bad of shape as people are making out.

The glaring weakness on the D-line is DE IMO. Getting Bond was huge. Now we need to land AQM and this D-line will get good in a hurry.

 

[5XNC]

I don't think a freshman like AQM starts or even beats out some younger guys going thru U tough again. Or a Sr in green or chick or McCord.

 

[Picksix]

I don't think a freshman like AQM starts or even beats out some younger guys going thru U tough again. Or a Sr in green or chick or McCord.

Never said he would beat them out. I said that I thought DE had more issues than DT. AQM would get some burn in situational stuff providing depth. Could be a special teams monster too...

 

[jhtheking]

Not a big believer in relying on Juco's but we had the worse DT play last year that I can ever remember seeing in the half a century I've been watching the Canes

You don't rely/build a team on JuCos. You accent what you have already with JuCos. You build entire classes on JuCo players and you're left with unbalanced rosters. JuCos are quick fixes and stop gaps to get balance. They're also hired hitmen for a year or two.

We have guys behind whatever JuCos we bring in this year, but they're not ready yet. The JuCos are ready to contribute this upcoming season to help us. I really feel like Golden isn't looking at 2014 as the year. If he was, he'd wait on our 2012 recruits to be third year players instead of going after JuCo guys.

Exactly. Makes me wonder what the **** Weis is doing at KU. They have 16, yes 16, JuCos in their class this year.

http://kansas.scout.com/a.z?s=172&p=9&c=8&yr=2013

I guess he just thought they were so bad they had to replace most of the team right away.

 

[The Franchise]

Chise,
I think a healthy porter and a motivated Robinson to go along w Pierre and the young guys makes us much better in 2013. Would love one juco dt to start or be the 3rd guy, but, if guys stay healthy, think we can be ok next year. U obviously expect one or 2 out of the young guys to step up and provide quality depth.

Absolutely. The problem that fans have is that they think what they see from a freshman is what he is and what he'll always be. Some fans appear unable to grasp the concept that guys get better as they grow and mature, especially along the OL and DL. How many of our great DL were great players as freshmans or even as sophomores? Sapp? Kennedy? Maryland? Brown? Stubbs? Campbell? None of them. Look outside our program. Suh? Fairley? GUYS GET BETTER. Was Ed Reed as a freshmans as good as Ed Reed as a senior?

We need to be able to appreciate the fact that we were relying on guys who shouldn't have even been on the field at those DL strength positions. Those dudes should have been redshirting or developing with a few snaps in garbage time. Moore and King played monster minutes. Neither should have been on the field at all. McCord had no business playing as a true frosh. Terry either. Ivory? Nope. Pierre should have been allowed to RS instead of throwing him in the fire a couple years ago as a 265 pound baby. Pierre will leave here a 1st or 2nd rounder, but the fans haven't been able to see that yet.

Chise,

The crappy defense had nothing to do with 22 true Sophomores or younger in the two deep this past season. If coach "NoD" would have ran more man defense we would have been better. It was his scheme that fielded the young and inexperienced defense with no depth. LOL!!!! Have to love our idiot fans sometimes.

This defense will be leaps and bounds better next season. Bigger, faster, stronger, and more year of experience is just what the doctor ordered. The players will lead through camps now because they've been through it now. They know what's expected of them now. They won't have to think about things as much and can go hard rather than go through the motions. This 2013 Canes team is going to be very hard to beat.

The arm chair idiots from the other site I left did nothing but puppet the party line repeatedly about Corch D. A couple of the big mouths over there labeled Corch D a failure half way through the Maryland game. The fugging Maryland game! That was our first fugging game under Corch Al, and we had a zillion suspensions come down right before kickoff of that game. Yet, the clowns over on Fake Canes Talk formulated an opinion that Corch D was garbage. They never let up after that game and have been pounding the drum daily since then.

Think that rings of some silly "you got Shanntard fired, so we're going to hammer away on Corch D until he gets fired" agenda? That's how it goes on message boards though. A couple loud mouths pound the drum long enough and loud enough, and the lemmings will fall in place. Let's forget that Corch D took Temple from the absolute bottom of FBS defensive rankings and raised them up to 16th. He then had us 17th in D in 2011 in his first year here with all the suspensions, nonsense and shatty culture left behind by Shanntard. Guys act like he had a sudden bout of retardation in 2012. Completely forgot how to corch. LULZ at the lemmings led astray by the loud mouths.

 

[The Franchise]

Not a big believer in relying on Juco's but we had the worse DT play last year that I can ever remember seeing in the half a century I've been watching the Canes

The great Bill Snyder disagrees. That dude is the absolute master of bolstering his roster with quality JUCOs.

 

[Dingaan1828]

Not a big believer in relying on Juco's but we had the worse DT play last year that I can ever remember seeing in the half a century I've been watching the Canes

The great Bill Snyder disagrees. That dude is the absolute master of bolstering his roster with quality JUCOs.

He does a good job with it. But, he sits in the middle of a fertile ground for JUCOs. He probably is very familiar with every kid playing JUCO in Kansas. Also, once you start down that path of relying on JUCOs, you will have a hard time getting off of it. In any case, it works for him, but it's not for everybody.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Another year of Robinson in UTough. I excited to see how he plays 2 years removed from his Papa Johns diet.

Porter
Pierre
Robinson
JuCo DT

isn't a bad DT rotation. Throw in Moore and King a year bigger, stronger and faster and things are looking up. Gotta have Porter for more than 3 games though.

Moore will for sure be the 4th guy IMO. He got his feet wet this year and surprisingly wasn't pushed around much for a freshman. A year in the weight room will help him tremendously. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends next year as our second best DT.

I don't get the panic on 247 over not getting a lot of DT's this year. We return a good bit next year and they will all improve. Bostwick and Bryant will do for this years DT recruiting.

 

[Canesfan1899]

This post hits the nail on the head but also, golden knows he has to win in year 3 for this thing to really gain momentum. He needs to win 10 games next year to keep the fan base and prove to recruits that we are national contenders again.

And he knows we have an offense capable of putting up some big time points, we need help on defense and he is scouring the earth for kids that can make an immediate impact.

 

[Canesfan1899]

Not a big believer in relying on Juco's but we had the worse DT play last year that I can ever remember seeing in the half a century I've been watching the Canes

The great Bill Snyder disagrees. That dude is the absolute master of bolstering his roster with quality JUCOs.

He's been doing it for a long time as well. It's tough to build an entire program around JUCO's but it can give a program the needed boost to make it the next level when you have wholes in the roster.

 

[5XNC]

Tons of jucos in the Midwest and ksu is an easy school to get them into.
As mentioned, he relies in them and has gone down that oath and would have to do major overhaul to go back primarily to the hs ranks.

 

[The Franchise]

Not a big believer in relying on Juco's but we had the worse DT play last year that I can ever remember seeing in the half a century I've been watching the Canes

The great Bill Snyder disagrees. That dude is the absolute master of bolstering his roster with quality JUCOs.

He's been doing it for a long time as well. It's tough to build an entire program around JUCO's but it can give a program the needed boost to make it the next level when you have wholes in the roster.

I never suggested that we should build an entire program around JUCO players. However, it's a great idea to add a few when you're overloaded with youth on the DL like we are.