Al says we're a 3-4 Team SIAP

[dg151]

Also I think the NT rotation next year is Moore/Jenkins and then either Valentine or Cory Johnson if he flips. Definitely wouldn't sleep on Earl Moore next year. No way Pierre plays nose.

 

[DiegoCane]

Also I think the NT rotation next year is Moore/Jenkins and then either Valentine or Cory Johnson if he flips. Definitely wouldn't sleep on Earl Moore next year. No way Pierre plays nose.

Moore is unproven and then 2 true FR? That would be an absolute disaster and set us back big time.

We need another grown man (maybe Johnson) and pair him with Stuckey/Moore. Let the FR grow.

 

[AUcane]

3-4 is a "base" defense, against 3/4 wide you generally won't run base sooooooooo.

Personnel wise Bama's 3-4, as far as their D-line and LBs are concerned, wont make a difference whether they are using a different formation, against a 3/4 wide or not b/c they dont have the type of D-lineman that can consistently get pressure on the QB, and their LBs arent legit pass rushing threats either.

Which makes their entire secondary suspect against spread offenses.

Oh I was addressing the original person who talked about 3-4 vs spread not you.

Though Bama rarely runs it against those teams, but your point of their personnel issues is true.

3-4 base allows for most/best flexibility against the spread. You can just as easily bring an extra rusher as you can drop an extra person into coverage. You can't as much in a base 4-3. Blitz packages out of a base 3-4 can be highly variable and disguised. Most teams defend the spread with a 3-4 (and the 4th is a hybrid). Obviously, this only works provided you have the personnel and we now seem to have it.

4-3 base (or 4-2-5) only works against the spread if you have monster DL.

Teams will generally have 5 DBs on the field against spread sets and with those they'll usually have even fronts. I don't really want to get too deep into it atm, but most teams don't defend the spread with a 3-4, because they don't have those defenders on the field. It obviously depends on the team you're playing and their tendencies, but the blitz stuff is completely irrelevant in normal situations against running spread teams, because those aren't blitzing situations. It's easier to get those exotic blitzes with 3 down lineman but it's still common to drop ends when you're doing 3 deep 3 under zone stuff behind them.

No teams do things 100% of the time against certain looks, but from what I've seen mostly it'll be 4-2-5 looks against "spread" offenses. And if a team is running a 3-4 against a spread it has very little to do with blitz flixibility and just the fact that it's their base defense.

Just one random example but it's something I know off the top of my head, the Jets are a base 3-4 team, but the highest percentage of their snaps are in nickel. Bama is generally in nickel against those teams. I can't recall of the top of my head what Stanford does against Oregon but I do recall Cal running 3-4 against them a while back. The little I saw of UCLA last night they had some base 3-4 when Utah was 3 wide but they were walking a LB out on the WR (which we did against UF also) to keep 2 safeties deep.

The front 7 alignment doesn't really matter too much because how the safeties are forces it, if you stay in single high all the time you can probably run more base because that other safety is over the split receiver, but otherwise you'll have the LB walk out there (which we do with Figs and Armbrister) and have 2 deep and then the front allignment basically just becomes a 4-2/3-3 with 4 on the line.

thanks for the technical explanation. Regarding your last comment, would that 3-3 alignment with a 4th on the line be called a "33 stack"? I believe that's the phrase I've seen used.

 

[dg151]

Also I think the NT rotation next year is Moore/Jenkins and then either Valentine or Cory Johnson if he flips. Definitely wouldn't sleep on Earl Moore next year. No way Pierre plays nose.

Moore is unproven and then 2 true FR? That would be an absolute disaster and set us back big time.

We need another grown man (maybe Johnson) and pair him with Stuckey/Moore. Let the FR grow.

Ah I meant Stuckey got those 2 confused.

 

[dg151]

Personnel wise Bama's 3-4, as far as their D-line and LBs are concerned, wont make a difference whether they are using a different formation, against a 3/4 wide or not b/c they dont have the type of D-lineman that can consistently get pressure on the QB, and their LBs arent legit pass rushing threats either.

Which makes their entire secondary suspect against spread offenses.

Oh I was addressing the original person who talked about 3-4 vs spread not you.

Though Bama rarely runs it against those teams, but your point of their personnel issues is true.

3-4 base allows for most/best flexibility against the spread. You can just as easily bring an extra rusher as you can drop an extra person into coverage. You can't as much in a base 4-3. Blitz packages out of a base 3-4 can be highly variable and disguised. Most teams defend the spread with a 3-4 (and the 4th is a hybrid). Obviously, this only works provided you have the personnel and we now seem to have it.

4-3 base (or 4-2-5) only works against the spread if you have monster DL.

Teams will generally have 5 DBs on the field against spread sets and with those they'll usually have even fronts. I don't really want to get too deep into it atm, but most teams don't defend the spread with a 3-4, because they don't have those defenders on the field. It obviously depends on the team you're playing and their tendencies, but the blitz stuff is completely irrelevant in normal situations against running spread teams, because those aren't blitzing situations. It's easier to get those exotic blitzes with 3 down lineman but it's still common to drop ends when you're doing 3 deep 3 under zone stuff behind them.

No teams do things 100% of the time against certain looks, but from what I've seen mostly it'll be 4-2-5 looks against "spread" offenses. And if a team is running a 3-4 against a spread it has very little to do with blitz flixibility and just the fact that it's their base defense.

Just one random example but it's something I know off the top of my head, the Jets are a base 3-4 team, but the highest percentage of their snaps are in nickel. Bama is generally in nickel against those teams. I can't recall of the top of my head what Stanford does against Oregon but I do recall Cal running 3-4 against them a while back. The little I saw of UCLA last night they had some base 3-4 when Utah was 3 wide but they were walking a LB out on the WR (which we did against UF also) to keep 2 safeties deep.

The front 7 alignment doesn't really matter too much because how the safeties are forces it, if you stay in single high all the time you can probably run more base because that other safety is over the split receiver, but otherwise you'll have the LB walk out there (which we do with Figs and Armbrister) and have 2 deep and then the front allignment basically just becomes a 4-2/3-3 with 4 on the line.

thanks for the technical explanation. Regarding your last comment, would that 3-3 alignment with a 4th on the line be called a "33 stack"? I believe that's the phrase I've seen used.

I'm horribly with terminology but I think 3-3 stack is when the LBs are lined up behind the DL but that one really smart schematic poster whose name I forget would probably know more. (edit: Dynasty, or the Western guy).

 

[DiegoCane]

Also I think the NT rotation next year is Moore/Jenkins and then either Valentine or Cory Johnson if he flips. Definitely wouldn't sleep on Earl Moore next year. No way Pierre plays nose.

Moore is unproven and then 2 true FR? That would be an absolute disaster and set us back big time.

We need another grown man (maybe Johnson) and pair him with Stuckey/Moore. Let the FR grow.

Ah I meant Stuckey got those 2 confused.

Makes sense. I would still be worried about a Stuckey/Moore/Valentine/Jenkins. We need 1 more grown man

 

[Paranos]

UM will flip Juco NT Cory Johnson between him, stuckley, moore, and king the NT spot will be fine. Look for Jenkins, valetine, and moten to redshirt which would spreadout the depth at dline.

Go Canes

 

[Gamineal]

The 4-3 is what has shut down GT??? interesting

 

[dhlee922]

which interview did he say that in? i listened to wqam on 9/30 and 10/1 and at least in those 2 interviews posted online, nothing is mentioned about 3-4

 

[DiegoCane]

which interview did he say that in? i listened to wqam on 9/30 and 10/1 and at least in those 2 interviews posted online, nothing is mentioned about 3-4

We had been playing 3-4 almost exclusively since the UF game. Vs the option we went back to the 4-3.

I expect us to be back in a 3-4 look vs UNC

 

[rok]

Next year's 3-4

DE Pierre - Jelani
DT Stuckey - Moore
DE Chick - Kamalu

OLB McCord - AQM
ILB Perryman - Grace
ILB Kirby - Blue
OLB Armbrister - Figueroa

CB Gunter - Crawford
SS Bush - Fentress
FS Jenkins - Carter
CB Howard - Burns

 

[dhlee922]

which interview did he say that in? i listened to wqam on 9/30 and 10/1 and at least in those 2 interviews posted online, nothing is mentioned about 3-4

We had been playing 3-4 almost exclusively since the UF game. Vs the option we went back to the 4-3.

I expect us to be back in a 3-4 look vs UNC

really? to me it still looks like a 4-3 with chick and green as ends. are you referring to 3-4 but with a linebacker like mccord lining up at the line? would that still be considered a 3-4 with 3 D linemen and an LB?

 

[TheSwagger1]

Next year's 3-4

DE Pierre - Jelani
DT Stuckey - Moore
DE Chick - Kamalu

OLB McCord - AQM
ILB Perryman - Grace
ILB Kirby - Blue
OLB Armbrister - Figueroa

CB Gunter - Crawford
SS Bush - Fentress
FS Jenkins - Carter
CB Howard - Burns

Let's pray Stuckey's a hoss and Moore makes gigantic, abnormal improvement. I'm hoping we're able to find another nose type in the JUCO ranks.

You think Perryman's back?

Other than those two spots (DT & ILB if Perryman bolts) that's a pretty loaded D.

 

[Dingaan1828]

which interview did he say that in? i listened to wqam on 9/30 and 10/1 and at least in those 2 interviews posted online, nothing is mentioned about 3-4

Hurricane Hotline on 10/1, WQAM, 54:30 in, Al said we were a 4-3 teams last year and now we are a 3-4 team this year.

 

[DiegoCane]

Next year's 3-4

DE Pierre - Jelani
DT Stuckey - Moore
DE Chick - Kamalu

OLB McCord - AQM
ILB Perryman - Grace
ILB Kirby - Blue
OLB Armbrister - Figueroa

CB Gunter - Crawford
SS Bush - Fentress
FS Jenkins - Carter
CB Howard - Burns

Let's pray Stuckey's a hoss and Moore makes gigantic, abnormal improvement. I'm hoping we're able to find another nose type in the JUCO ranks.

You think Perryman's back?

Other than those two spots (DT & ILB if Perryman bolts) that's a pretty loaded D.

Agree with everything here. I actually expect Perryman to declare unfortunately. I would imagine Armbrister or Figs would move over to Perryman's spot unless Grace really impresses. That's why I think a JUCO LBer wouldn't be a bad idea as well. Owens and Young are both going to have a chance to play early.

We must find another grown man NT.

Also curious what the coaches have in mind for the S position, we are thin there in 2014.

 

[Cribby]

which interview did he say that in? i listened to wqam on 9/30 and 10/1 and at least in those 2 interviews posted online, nothing is mentioned about 3-4

We had been playing 3-4 almost exclusively since the UF game. Vs the option we went back to the 4-3.

I expect us to be back in a 3-4 look vs UNC

really? to me it still looks like a 4-3 with chick and green as ends. are you referring to 3-4 but with a linebacker like mccord lining up at the line? would that still be considered a 3-4 with 3 D linemen and an LB?

We're definitely a 3-4, they switched to the 4-3 for GT and the triple option. Green has been playing olb majority of the season. Op, CP abd Chick on DL.

 

[rok]

No Denzel:

DE Pierre - Jelani - Thomas
DT Stuckey - Moore - King - Jenkins
DE Chick - Kamalu - Valentine

OLB McCord - AQM - Hoilett - D. Jackson
ILB Kirby - Grace - Young
ILB Armbrister - Blue - McCray
OLB Figueroa - M. Smith - T. Harris

 

[Cribby]

I think if DP leaves that'll move Figs inside and Kirby replaces Gaines. TA and McCord as outside backers.

 

[DJWilliams55]

DE Chick
NT Stuckey or Pierre if he gains another 15
DE Pierre or Hamilton
WOLB AQM
WILB Kirby
SILB Figatron
SOLB McCord


Grace doesn't seem to fit.

 

[I'm Hurt Dawg]

I don't think Blue doesn't anything here until maybe his 5th year. Grace already gets more PT than him. Owens and Young are going to pass him too.

DE - Chick - Kamalu - Valentine
DT - Stuckey - More - Jenkins
DE - Pierre - Hamilton
OLB - McCord - AQM - Hoilett - - Jackson
ILB - Kirby - Grace - Young
ILB - Armbrister -Owens
OLB -Figueroa - M. Smith - Harris

CB Gunter - Corn
SS Bush - Fentress
FS Jenkins - Carter
CB Howard - Burns

I wonder position Chad Thomas plays because I remember Nick Saban wanted him at OLB.