Al says we're a 3-4 Team SIAP

[GhostofVenice01]

I remember saying this 2 years ago and gettin blasted by Nites over it......







SMMFH

 

[BlackKeysFan]

I think Pierre is a little too high cut to be a nose. He's kind of got a lanky, long legged build. I think he is more of a penetrater than space eater.

Stuckey is the guy we are bringing in that looks like the most directly compatible nose tackle we will have next year. I know theyre still lookin and will check out the waiver wire, but I'd think that guys like Renfrow, that they are familiar with and can be useful, are the exception and not the rule of what you'll find at DT in August.

 

[CanesAreAble]

3-4 is necessary vs spread teams.

Not really. The 3-4 provides symmetry against running teams.

However, the design of the defense Golden is building allows us to change fronts with ease, and get versatile defenders on the field.

http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2013/01/nick_saban_says_hes_still_comm.html

 

[courcy75]

3-4 is necessary vs spread teams. This is a great move by the Don.

uh....

 

[zone3cane]

The traditional 3-4 that Bama runs actually sucks against spread teams.... look no further then how Bama's slow defense has faired against aTm this year and last year.

This "Odd Front" 3-4 look allows Miami to almost play the 3-4 and 4-3 look at the same time so we can be effecient at defending the pass and stopping the run, no matter what type of offense this defense will face.

Our D-lineman has to be able to make plays and put pressure on the QB unlike at Bama and now FSU.

 

[dg151]

3-4 is a "base" defense, against 3/4 wide you generally won't run base sooooooooo.

 

[zone3cane]

3-4 is a "base" defense, against 3/4 wide you generally won't run base sooooooooo.

Personnel wise Bama's 3-4, as far as their D-line and LBs are concerned, wont make a difference whether they are using a different formation, against a 3/4 wide or not b/c they dont have the type of D-lineman that can consistently get pressure on the QB, and their LBs arent legit pass rushing threats either.

Which makes their entire secondary suspect against spread offenses.

 

[jandman514]

The transformation is almost complete... When I saw McCord listed as a Sam LB on the depth chart, I knew we were headed in that direction. Plus, the announcer from the Florida game said we were going to the 3-4 during the game...

Finding DE/OLBs in the state will not be a problem. However, if we can get a true NT to replace Porter next season, we can keep rolling in the right direction.

IMO, we can find what we need at that position from JUCO's. Al is always searching the waiver wires, too.

Dalvon Stuckey..

 

[LUcanesfan]

The transformation is almost complete... When I saw McCord listed as a Sam LB on the depth chart, I knew we were headed in that direction. Plus, the announcer from the Florida game said we were going to the 3-4 during the game...

Finding DE/OLBs in the state will not be a problem. However, if we can get a true NT to replace Porter next season, we can keep rolling in the right direction.

IMO, we can find what we need at that position from JUCO's. Al is always searching the waiver wires, too.

Dalvon Stuckey..

Agreed... Here's the scouting report on Stuckey:

"A big body with good flexibility, Stuckey shows inconsistent effort from his defensive line position. He plays too high off the snap and has a tendency to get leveraged by smaller offensive linemen. Shows flashes of athleticism, but it too often content to watch a play going away from him. Has a good first step, but he struggles to get off blocks if he doesn't beat his man off the snap. A project with a strong foundation: Scott Kennedy, Scout.com"

With some more coaching and a summer of 'U-Tough', he should be ready for battle. Plus he's a JR., so we're not dealing with a youngster. We might have already found our Porter.

 

[dg151]

3-4 is a "base" defense, against 3/4 wide you generally won't run base sooooooooo.

Personnel wise Bama's 3-4, as far as their D-line and LBs are concerned, wont make a difference whether they are using a different formation, against a 3/4 wide or not b/c they dont have the type of D-lineman that can consistently get pressure on the QB, and their LBs arent legit pass rushing threats either.

Which makes their entire secondary suspect against spread offenses.

Oh I was addressing the original person who talked about 3-4 vs spread not you.

Though Bama rarely runs it against those teams, but your point of their personnel issues is true.

 

[AUcane]

3-4 is a "base" defense, against 3/4 wide you generally won't run base sooooooooo.

Personnel wise Bama's 3-4, as far as their D-line and LBs are concerned, wont make a difference whether they are using a different formation, against a 3/4 wide or not b/c they dont have the type of D-lineman that can consistently get pressure on the QB, and their LBs arent legit pass rushing threats either.

Which makes their entire secondary suspect against spread offenses.

Oh I was addressing the original person who talked about 3-4 vs spread not you.

Though Bama rarely runs it against those teams, but your point of their personnel issues is true.

3-4 base allows for most/best flexibility against the spread. You can just as easily bring an extra rusher as you can drop an extra person into coverage. You can't as much in a base 4-3. Blitz packages out of a base 3-4 can be highly variable and disguised. Most teams defend the spread with a 3-4 (and the 4th is a hybrid). Obviously, this only works provided you have the personnel and we now seem to have it.

4-3 base (or 4-2-5) only works against the spread if you have monster DL.

 

[3FW]

Jenkins is a classic NG. Doubt he'll be ready.

 

[cp7705]

I think Earl Moore is going to be our next NT along with OP and Jelani Hamilton at the end and 5 technique. Mccord is going to play drop backer along with kirby, Perryman and figs/thurst

 

[LUcanesfan]

I think Earl Moore is going to be our next NT along with OP and Jelani Hamilton at the end and 5 technique. Mccord is going to play drop backer along with kirby, Perryman and figs/thurst

You might be on to something here... Here is Moore's scouting report:

A nose guard in Hillsboro's 3-4 system, Moore demands a double team on every snap. He plays with excellent pad level and is quick off the snap. If a team tries to block him with just the center, the center quickly finds Moore under his pads and in the offensive backfield. A high motor defensive lineman, Moore plays with good strength to occupy a double team and gets in on second effort plays - Scott Kennedy, Scout.com

 

[Canesfan1899]

Jenkins is a classic NG. Doubt he'll be ready.

Agree, also agree he'll need some time to mature and develop.

 

[AllbouttheU]

I think Earl Moore is going to be our next NT along with OP and Jelani Hamilton at the end and 5 technique. Mccord is going to play drop backer along with kirby, Perryman and figs/thurst

I don't see Moore as a good enough NT for Miami.

 

[jakeman1]

I think Earl Moore is going to be our next NT along with OP and Jelani Hamilton at the end and 5 technique. Mccord is going to play drop backer along with kirby, Perryman and figs/thurst

I don't see Moore as a good enough NT for Miami.

Who knows after a couple years of coaching an UTough, what he's going to look like. He was a true freshman last year. There's no telling where he'll be as an upperclassman.

 

[DeadPoets]

I think Earl Moore is going to be our next NT along with OP and Jelani Hamilton at the end and 5 technique. Mccord is going to play drop backer along with kirby, Perryman and figs/thurst

I don't see Moore as a good enough NT for Miami.

Who knows after a couple years of coaching an UTough, what he's going to look like. He was a true freshman last year. There's no telling where he'll be as an upperclassman.

Exactly. I don't rule out anybody anymore with Golden & Co.

Earl Moore is the prototype NT. Just needs some time. Year 3 is always the biggest jump for players (mentally/physically)

 

[GhostofVenice01]

DTs dont really begin to show there "true colors" until years 3 and 4






Not that many Jadaveon Clowney's walkin the streets

 

[dg151]

3-4 is a "base" defense, against 3/4 wide you generally won't run base sooooooooo.

Personnel wise Bama's 3-4, as far as their D-line and LBs are concerned, wont make a difference whether they are using a different formation, against a 3/4 wide or not b/c they dont have the type of D-lineman that can consistently get pressure on the QB, and their LBs arent legit pass rushing threats either.

Which makes their entire secondary suspect against spread offenses.

Oh I was addressing the original person who talked about 3-4 vs spread not you.

Though Bama rarely runs it against those teams, but your point of their personnel issues is true.

3-4 base allows for most/best flexibility against the spread. You can just as easily bring an extra rusher as you can drop an extra person into coverage. You can't as much in a base 4-3. Blitz packages out of a base 3-4 can be highly variable and disguised. Most teams defend the spread with a 3-4 (and the 4th is a hybrid). Obviously, this only works provided you have the personnel and we now seem to have it.

4-3 base (or 4-2-5) only works against the spread if you have monster DL.

Teams will generally have 5 DBs on the field against spread sets and with those they'll usually have even fronts. I don't really want to get too deep into it atm, but most teams don't defend the spread with a 3-4, because they don't have those defenders on the field. It obviously depends on the team you're playing and their tendencies, but the blitz stuff is completely irrelevant in normal situations against running spread teams, because those aren't blitzing situations. It's easier to get those exotic blitzes with 3 down lineman but it's still common to drop ends when you're doing 3 deep 3 under zone stuff behind them.

No teams do things 100% of the time against certain looks, but from what I've seen mostly it'll be 4-2-5 looks against "spread" offenses. And if a team is running a 3-4 against a spread it has very little to do with blitz flixibility and just the fact that it's their base defense.

Just one random example but it's something I know off the top of my head, the Jets are a base 3-4 team, but the highest percentage of their snaps are in nickel. Bama is generally in nickel against those teams. I can't recall of the top of my head what Stanford does against Oregon but I do recall Cal running 3-4 against them a while back. The little I saw of UCLA last night they had some base 3-4 when Utah was 3 wide but they were walking a LB out on the WR (which we did against UF also) to keep 2 safeties deep.

The front 7 alignment doesn't really matter too much because how the safeties are forces it, if you stay in single high all the time you can probably run more base because that other safety is over the split receiver, but otherwise you'll have the LB walk out there (which we do with Figs and Armbrister) and have 2 deep and then the front allignment basically just becomes a 4-2/3-3 with 4 on the line.