Al Golden and the Defensive Staff

[McGahee2TheHouse]

Again with the strawmans that people think we have an abundance of talent and that we should be dominating. Barely anyone, and I repeat, barely anyone thinks we have an abundance of talent.

If you seriously can't understand that most people don't feel that way or make sense of their real arguments then god help you.

 

[Canes239]

Seattle's defense has a few similarities to what I imagine our defense when ran properly is supposed to look like. They do line up in the 4-3 primarily but they have 3-4 personel which allows them to be "multiple" and we all know how many times Golden has mentioned that he wants to be multiple on defense, Seattle's defense is so good, and so aggressive that it is really difficult to see but I believe that we are already trying to have a defense like Seattle's we just arent there yet.

That is quite an understatement.

 

[DaU83]

Again with the strawmans that people think we have an abundance of talent and that we should be dominating. Barely anyone, and I repeat, barely anyone thinks we have an abundance of talent.

If you seriously can't understand that most people don't feel that way or make sense of their real arguments then god help you.

so if they get that we don't have an abundance of talent, why don't the stfu about our defense until we do? I mean, what's the point of *****ing all day about the defensive performances if "you know" we don't have good talent, especially not on the D line?

 

[Fountain of Canes]

@PFF: Seahawks blitzed on only six of Manning's 51 dropbacks.

Front 4 decided this game... the back 7 helped.

thats what we been missing really. actually our front 7 has been weak. if we had mccord and AQM full time ends we would be awesome. i dont understand this staff. play your stud. you play to win the game. not to give everyone playing time.

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

Again with the strawmans that people think we have an abundance of talent and that we should be dominating. Barely anyone, and I repeat, barely anyone thinks we have an abundance of talent.

If you seriously can't understand that most people don't feel that way or make sense of their real arguments then god help you.

so if they get that we don't have an abundance of talent, why don't the stfu about our defense until we do? I mean, what's the point of *****ing all day about the defensive performances if "you know" we don't have good talent, especially not on the D line?

The argument is that while we don't have elite talent, we have sufficient talent to not look as bad in conference play as we did and also sufficient talent to not lose to VT and Duke and get embarrassed by a team full of 3 stars in our bowl game. I don't know how many times that has to be stated for you to understand what the actual argument is.

So you can better understand the argument, try seeing it from another poster's POV:

My position is that, yes, our front 4 has not been very talented. But, no, they are not as insanely bad as they have looked sometimes either. The consistent response has been "hey, Renfrow was a backup elsewhere and came here and got major minutes." My counter to that is that his skill set (NT), albeit subpar to what we need, was a desperate need for what we are asking of our DL.

I am still holding out hope that Golden makes an adjustment to our style of play up front.

I hope that made things really clear for you.

 

[UMFarArcher]

Well ****.

I watched Seattle, and never once noted the playing pattycake with the Olinemen.

Oh, that's right, they DIDN'T.

They were shooting gaps and pushing hard.

 

[Miami82]

Again with the strawmans that people think we have an abundance of talent and that we should be dominating. Barely anyone, and I repeat, barely anyone thinks we have an abundance of talent.

If you seriously can't understand that most people don't feel that way or make sense of their real arguments then god help you.

so if they get that we don't have an abundance of talent, why don't the stfu about our defense until we do? I mean, what's the point of *****ing all day about the defensive performances if "you know" we don't have good talent, especially not on the D line?

The argument is that while we don't have elite talent, we have sufficient talent to not look as bad in conference play as we did and also sufficient talent to not lose to VT and Duke and get embarrassed by a team full of 3 stars in our bowl game. I don't know how many times that has to be stated for you to understand what the actual argument is.

So you can better understand the argument, try seeing it from another poster's POV:

My position is that, yes, our front 4 has not been very talented. But, no, they are not as insanely bad as they have looked sometimes either. The consistent response has been "hey, Renfrow was a backup elsewhere and came here and got major minutes." My counter to that is that his skill set (NT), albeit subpar to what we need, was a desperate need for what we are asking of our DL.

I am still holding out hope that Golden makes an adjustment to our style of play up front.

I hope that made things really clear for you.

Yeah I've been saying this for years now.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

"Carroll’s Seahawks are a different story. In Carroll’s first season with Seattle, his team ranked a dreadful 25th in scoring defense and 27th in total defense. The Seahawks jumped to seventh and ninth, respectively, the next year, though, and haven’t looked back since, finishing first in both categories this season. The biggest reason is the job Carroll and general manager John Schneider have done in revamping the roster."
Keywords "revamping the roster"

Golden's 4th year here and we still don't have the pieces we need in the front seven.

we can't buy them from one season to the next.. revamping the roster in college takes at LEAST 2-3 years..( ie... 2-3 recruiting classes).. and this is his legit 3rd class..

On top of this there is a development curve that college players go through that NFL players don't. The defensive guys Carroll and Schneider brought in after they got their didn't have to mature physically. They were ready to go from day 1.

 

[DaU83]

Again with the strawmans that people think we have an abundance of talent and that we should be dominating. Barely anyone, and I repeat, barely anyone thinks we have an abundance of talent.

If you seriously can't understand that most people don't feel that way or make sense of their real arguments then god help you.

so if they get that we don't have an abundance of talent, why don't the stfu about our defense until we do? I mean, what's the point of ****ing all day about the defensive performances if "you know" we don't have good talent, especially not on the D line?

The argument is that while we don't have elite talent, we have sufficient talent to not look as bad in conference play as we did and also sufficient talent to not lose to VT and Duke and get embarrassed by a team full of 3 stars in our bowl game. I don't know how many times that has to be stated for you to understand what the actual argument is.

So you can better understand the argument, try seeing it from another poster's POV:

My position is that, yes, our front 4 has not been very talented. But, no, they are not as insanely bad as they have looked sometimes either. The consistent response has been "hey, Renfrow was a backup elsewhere and came here and got major minutes." My counter to that is that his skill set (NT), albeit subpar to what we need, was a desperate need for what we are asking of our DL.

I am still holding out hope that Golden makes an adjustment to our style of play up front.

I hope that made things really clear for you.

based on what? the fact there's a U on the side of the helmet? granted, i think we would and could have beat VT had it not been for the special teams turnovers/mistakes... but people just assume our guys should be better, just because..

 

[LEmeyers]

Again with the strawmans that people think we have an abundance of talent and that we should be dominating. Barely anyone, and I repeat, barely anyone thinks we have an abundance of talent.

If you seriously can't understand that most people don't feel that way or make sense of their real arguments then god help you.

so if they get that we don't have an abundance of talent, why don't the stfu about our defense until we do? I mean, what's the point of ****ing all day about the defensive performances if "you know" we don't have good talent, especially not on the D line?

I don't get it. People claim Golden is this great recruiter yet complain about the talent on hand.

 

[terra99pin]

Nobody complains about the freshmen and sophomores, who he recruited. But they are still just freshmen and sophomores...

 

[CaneAlmighty]

I don't get it. People claim Golden is this great recruiter yet complain about the talent on hand.

There's a lot of things you don't get. People complain about the talent and depth he inherited. I think he's proven with each class that he's bringing in the talent.

 

[LEmeyers]

I don't get it. People claim Golden is this great recruiter yet complain about the talent on hand.

There's a lot of things you don't get. People complain about the talent and depth he inherited. I think he's proven with each class that he's bringing in the talent.

I've went back and looked at previous threads. There are plenty of instances in which people are complaining about talent this past year. When you talk about the players he inherited...I don't see to many teams on the schedule who inherited more nfl players than Golden.

Question for you. How many guys from 2011 Boston college made an Nfl team? Now how many for Miami?

 

[CaneAlmighty]

I don't get it. People claim Golden is this great recruiter yet complain about the talent on hand.

There's a lot of things you don't get. People complain about the talent and depth he inherited. I think he's proven with each class that he's bringing in the talent.

I've went back and looked at previous threads. There are plenty of instances in which people are complaining about talent this past year. When you talk about the players he inherited...I don't see to many teams on the schedule who inherited more nfl players than Golden.

Question for you. How many guys from 2011 Boston college made an Nfl team? Now how many for Miami?

You reading to much in 2011 which was a year marred by suspensions, injuries, ncaa distractions, bowl bans, players packing it in.
Oh and BC had Lukely and his 2 ints, for TD and Andre Williams. Plus I'd take their QB that year over Jacory. But like I said, if you want to use that year to judge Golden I know not to take you seriously.

 

[LEmeyers]

I don't get it. People claim Golden is this great recruiter yet complain about the talent on hand.

There's a lot of things you don't get. People complain about the talent and depth he inherited. I think he's proven with each class that he's bringing in the talent.

I've went back and looked at previous threads. There are plenty of instances in which people are complaining about talent this past year. When you talk about the players he inherited...I don't see to many teams on the schedule who inherited more nfl players than Golden.

Question for you. How many guys from 2011 Boston college made an Nfl team? Now how many for Miami?

You reading to much in 2011 which was a year marred by suspensions, injuries, ncaa distractions, bowl bans, players packing it in.
Oh and BC had Lukely and his 2 ints, for TD and Andre Williams. Plus I'd take their QB that year over Jacory. But like I said, if you want to use that year to judge Golden I know not to take you seriously.

You wanted to talk about players he inherited so I brought up year 1. You then came up with a bunch of excuses. I'll except you white flag. Your excuses have nothing to with the question at hand.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

I don't get it. People claim Golden is this great recruiter yet complain about the talent on hand.

There's a lot of things you don't get. People complain about the talent and depth he inherited. I think he's proven with each class that he's bringing in the talent.

I've went back and looked at previous threads. There are plenty of instances in which people are complaining about talent this past year. When you talk about the players he inherited...I don't see to many teams on the schedule who inherited more nfl players than Golden.

Question for you. How many guys from 2011 Boston college made an Nfl team? Now how many for Miami?

You reading to much in 2011 which was a year marred by suspensions, injuries, ncaa distractions, bowl bans, players packing it in.
Oh and BC had Lukely and his 2 ints, for TD and Andre Williams. Plus I'd take their QB that year over Jacory. But like I said, if you want to use that year to judge Golden I know not to take you seriously.

You wanted to talk about players he inherited so I brought up year 1. You then came up with a bunch of excuses. I'll except you white flag. Your excuses have nothing to with the question at hand.

So why did Golden beat BC @ BC the following year with less talent?

 

[LEmeyers]

There's a lot of things you don't get. People complain about the talent and depth he inherited. I think he's proven with each class that he's bringing in the talent.

I've went back and looked at previous threads. There are plenty of instances in which people are complaining about talent this past year. When you talk about the players he inherited...I don't see to many teams on the schedule who inherited more nfl players than Golden.

Question for you. How many guys from 2011 Boston college made an Nfl team? Now how many for Miami?

You reading to much in 2011 which was a year marred by suspensions, injuries, ncaa distractions, bowl bans, players packing it in.
Oh and BC had Lukely and his 2 ints, for TD and Andre Williams. Plus I'd take their QB that year over Jacory. But like I said, if you want to use that year to judge Golden I know not to take you seriously.

You wanted to talk about players he inherited so I brought up year 1. You then came up with a bunch of excuses. I'll except you white flag. Your excuses have nothing to with the question at hand.

So why did Golden beat BC @ BC the following year with less talent?

Now you're going in circles. Are you saying his recruiting had sucked up to that point? Either way you have failed. You failed to answer my original question and you have failed to make a point. You then proved my point of people using lack of talent as an excuse yet claim he recruited well. Keep up the good work.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

I've went back and looked at previous threads. There are plenty of instances in which people are complaining about talent this past year. When you talk about the players he inherited...I don't see to many teams on the schedule who inherited more nfl players than Golden.

Question for you. How many guys from 2011 Boston college made an Nfl team? Now how many for Miami?

You reading to much in 2011 which was a year marred by suspensions, injuries, ncaa distractions, bowl bans, players packing it in.
Oh and BC had Lukely and his 2 ints, for TD and Andre Williams. Plus I'd take their QB that year over Jacory. But like I said, if you want to use that year to judge Golden I know not to take you seriously.

You wanted to talk about players he inherited so I brought up year 1. You then came up with a bunch of excuses. I'll except you white flag. Your excuses have nothing to with the question at hand.

So why did Golden beat BC @ BC the following year with less talent?

Now you're going in circles. Are you saying his recruiting had sucked up to that point? Either way you have failed. You failed to answer my original question and you have failed to make a point. You then proved my point of people using lack of talent as an excuse yet claim he recruited well. Keep up the good work.

You couldn't answer my question. So yeah, It is good work.. Thanks.

 

[BigDikCane]

dammit mane

 

[LEmeyers]

You reading to much in 2011 which was a year marred by suspensions, injuries, ncaa distractions, bowl bans, players packing it in.
Oh and BC had Lukely and his 2 ints, for TD and Andre Williams. Plus I'd take their QB that year over Jacory. But like I said, if you want to use that year to judge Golden I know not to take you seriously.

You wanted to talk about players he inherited so I brought up year 1. You then came up with a bunch of excuses. I'll except you white flag. Your excuses have nothing to with the question at hand.

So why did Golden beat BC @ BC the following year with less talent?

Now you're going in circles. Are you saying his recruiting had sucked up to that point? Either way you have failed. You failed to answer my original question and you have failed to make a point. You then proved my point of people using lack of talent as an excuse yet claim he recruited well. Keep up the good work.

You couldn't answer my question. So yeah, It is good work.. Thanks.

So Golden isn't doing a good job recruiting? You just contradicted yourself. So now golden is so poor of a recruiter that he can't amass more talent than a 2-10 bc team. Lmfao @ you. You're talking in circles cause you're full of ****.