After a quick study of AG's UVA playbook:

Keep in mind that AL Groh was run out of Georgia Tech because the defense was too complex

Truth...here's text from the AJC article announcing his firing....somethings might sound familiar....

"In coach Paul Johnson’s analysis, Groh did not fall short in his effort or smarts.

“What’s inside his head, he’s very knowledgeable,” Johnson said. “There’s no questioning that. The problem was becoming, what’s in there, we weren’t seeing on the field.”

Groh’s tenure concluded in a blizzard of points, yards and missed tackles. In Tech’s past three games, losses to Miami, Middle Tennessee State and Clemson, the Yellow Jackets gave up an average of 46 points and 573.3 yards. Opponents converted 31 of 46 third downs into first downs. Improbably, Tech fared slightly worse when opponents faced 3rd-and-7 or longer than 3rd-and-6 or less.

Tech gave up more than 40 points in the three consecutive games, the first time that has happened in school history."
http://blogs.ajc.com/georgia-tech-sports/2012/10/08/al-groh-fired-at-tech/

Jesus. Replace Johnson with Golden and Groh with D'ohnofrio and that's Miami. **** me.

Then why the **** are some dimwits suggesting Al Groh as a replacement to D'No? We need a COMPLETE change of philosophy, scheme, attitude, etc. Someone who will purge this scheme out of the program and the players.
 
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Keep in mind that AL Groh was run out of Georgia Tech because the defense was too complex

Truth...here's text from the AJC article announcing his firing....somethings might sound familiar....

"In coach Paul Johnson’s analysis, Groh did not fall short in his effort or smarts.

“What’s inside his head, he’s very knowledgeable,” Johnson said. “There’s no questioning that. The problem was becoming, what’s in there, we weren’t seeing on the field.”

Groh’s tenure concluded in a blizzard of points, yards and missed tackles. In Tech’s past three games, losses to Miami, Middle Tennessee State and Clemson, the Yellow Jackets gave up an average of 46 points and 573.3 yards. Opponents converted 31 of 46 third downs into first downs. Improbably, Tech fared slightly worse when opponents faced 3rd-and-7 or longer than 3rd-and-6 or less.

Tech gave up more than 40 points in the three consecutive games, the first time that has happened in school history."
http://blogs.ajc.com/georgia-tech-sports/2012/10/08/al-groh-fired-at-tech/

wow...familiar to the bone
 
Keep in mind that AL Groh was run out of Georgia Tech because the defense was too complex

Truth...here's text from the AJC article announcing his firing....somethings might sound familiar....

"In coach Paul Johnson’s analysis, Groh did not fall short in his effort or smarts.

“What’s inside his head, he’s very knowledgeable,” Johnson said. “There’s no questioning that. The problem was becoming, what’s in there, we weren’t seeing on the field.”

Groh’s tenure concluded in a blizzard of points, yards and missed tackles. In Tech’s past three games, losses to Miami, Middle Tennessee State and Clemson, the Yellow Jackets gave up an average of 46 points and 573.3 yards. Opponents converted 31 of 46 third downs into first downs. Improbably, Tech fared slightly worse when opponents faced 3rd-and-7 or longer than 3rd-and-6 or less.

Tech gave up more than 40 points in the three consecutive games, the first time that has happened in school history."
http://blogs.ajc.com/georgia-tech-sports/2012/10/08/al-groh-fired-at-tech/

wow...familiar to the bone

Scary
 
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Saban adapted his playbook for college kids. His pattern reading concept is proof of that. He found a way to translate it to kids, and he's one of the greatest coaches ever.


AG's biggest failure so far as a coah IMO...not applying THIS practice
 
Perhaps things are too complicated, and Golden/MDO have definitely done a **** job the last two weeks, but how do you hide bad LBs and safeties?

Ultimately you can't hide them completely, and you're still going to get exposed in certain situations, but you can definitely mitigate it to some effect by creating more negative or no-gain plays and forcing offenses into longer downs and distances, along with limiting the LB's coverage responsibilities a little and subbing them out more so as to avoid situations where they're getting matched up against WRs.

Clearly we still have some serious talent holes, but there's absolutely enough there to field just an average defense, good enough to not get absolutely destroyed and giving us a chance to win.
 
Saying that we suck because we can't implement our whole playbook is nothing more than an excuse. These kids aren't retarded. FSU kids aren't having a problem picking up Pruitt's schemes. Plus, most of the kids on our starting D aren't even from South Florida.

The fact that we're "vanilla" isn't an excuse either. You can be effective if you're vanilla but you just have to be sound. There's only so many coverages you can run anyway. We're obviously NOT sound because there's vacancies in every coverage we run.

We wouldn't be any better on defense even if D'Onofrio installed his whole playbook. We can't even do the basics right.
 
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Keep in mind that AL Groh was run out of Georgia Tech because the defense was too complex

Truth...here's text from the AJC article announcing his firing....somethings might sound familiar....

"In coach Paul Johnson’s analysis, Groh did not fall short in his effort or smarts.

“What’s inside his head, he’s very knowledgeable,” Johnson said. “There’s no questioning that. The problem was becoming, what’s in there, we weren’t seeing on the field.”

Groh’s tenure concluded in a blizzard of points, yards and missed tackles. In Tech’s past three games, losses to Miami, Middle Tennessee State and Clemson, the Yellow Jackets gave up an average of 46 points and 573.3 yards. Opponents converted 31 of 46 third downs into first downs. Improbably, Tech fared slightly worse when opponents faced 3rd-and-7 or longer than 3rd-and-6 or less.

Tech gave up more than 40 points in the three consecutive games, the first time that has happened in school history."
http://blogs.ajc.com/georgia-tech-sports/2012/10/08/al-groh-fired-at-tech/

this is the EXACT point that i have been screaming about for years. the defense is PATHETIC. Fire Dorito TODAY.

PJ was not married to that scheme, so he showed the coach the door. time for AG to face reality
 
We can only hope Golden realizes that the scheme and the philosophy need to be changed. He adjusted to South Florida recruiting very well, so hopefully he can adjust the defense.

I gotta say, it is very frustrating that we had the coastal in hand and may have missed a great opportunity to win it because the coaches were too rigid to adjust their scheme and philosophy.
 
Saying that we suck because we can't implement our whole playbook is nothing more than an excuse. These kids aren't retarded. FSU kids aren't having a problem picking up Pruitt's schemes. Plus, most of the kids on our starting D aren't even from South Florida.

The fact that we're "vanilla" isn't an excuse either. You can be effective if you're vanilla but you just have to be sound. There's only so many coverages you can run anyway. We're obviously NOT sound because there's vacancies in every coverage we run.

We wouldn't be any better on defense even if D'Onofrio installed his whole playbook. We can't even do the basics right.

Show me any team in the last ten years that had a good defense running an Okie front with everyone else in zone. You know much more football than I do, but I can't see how our base package would be effective even if we are fundamentally sound. In 2013, coverages are only as good as your ability to 1) disguise them 2) mix them 3) pressure the QB.

If we are only capable of running a few coverages and blitzes, you can't mix them, and after 5 games of film bc there are so few, you can't disguise them. And if you can't bring pressure, they WILL be exploited.
 
Saying that we suck because we can't implement our whole playbook is nothing more than an excuse. These kids aren't retarded. FSU kids aren't having a problem picking up Pruitt's schemes. Plus, most of the kids on our starting D aren't even from South Florida.

The fact that we're "vanilla" isn't an excuse either. You can be effective if you're vanilla but you just have to be sound. There's only so many coverages you can run anyway. We're obviously NOT sound because there's vacancies in every coverage we run.

We wouldn't be any better on defense even if D'Onofrio installed his whole playbook. We can't even do the basics right.

Show me any team in the last ten years that had a good defense running an Okie front with everyone else in zone. You know much more football than I do, but I can't see how our base package would be effective even if we are fundamentally sound. In 2013, coverages are only as good as your ability to 1) disguise them 2) mix them 3) pressure the QB.

If we are only capable of running a few coverages and blitzes, you can't mix them, and after 5 games of film bc there are so few, you can't disguise them. And if you can't bring pressure, they WILL be exploited.

Saying that we suck because we can't implement our whole playbook is nothing more than an excuse. These kids aren't retarded. FSU kids aren't having a problem picking up Pruitt's schemes. Plus, most of the kids on our starting D aren't even from South Florida.

The fact that we're "vanilla" isn't an excuse either. You can be effective if you're vanilla but you just have to be sound. There's only so many coverages you can run anyway. We're obviously NOT sound because there's vacancies in every coverage we run.

We wouldn't be any better on defense even if D'Onofrio installed his whole playbook. We can't even do the basics right.

Show me any team in the last ten years that had a good defense running an Okie front with everyone else in zone. You know much more football than I do, but I can't see how our base package would be effective even if we are fundamentally sound. In 2013, coverages are only as good as your ability to 1) disguise them 2) mix them 3) pressure the QB.

If we are only capable of running a few coverages and blitzes, you can't mix them, and after 5 games of film bc there are so few, you can't disguise them. And if you can't bring pressure, they WILL be exploited.


You can run Cover-2 and Cover-3 all game if you want to, and if you're sound at it, it won't get exposed like we do on a regular basis.

The key is to make your coverages and fronts LOOK different every play. I can run Cover-3 every single play but if I make it LOOK DIFFERENT every time then it's gonna ***** with the QB's pre-snap reads. The first thing a QB is looking at are the Safeties. Their depth and alignment will tell the QB what coverage the defense is in.

How do you think offenses would expose a "vanilla" defense? Well let's see. If a QB sees Cover-3 pre-snap then he knows that the seams are open and the flats are soft. Most likely he's gonna look to throw to one of those spots. In Cover-2 the the soft spots are down the seam between the Safeties and the "hole" down the sideline between the CB's and Safeties.

NOW...

No matter what coverage you run as a DC you know what you're giving the offense. You know where the weaknesses are in that particular coverage. If I call Cover-3 I know that I'm gonna be vulnerable in the seams. So how do I stop the QB from throwing there?

I have 2 options...

1) Don't give the QB a pre-snap read of Cover-3. Show him Cover-2 and then roll to Cover-3 after the snap.
2) Run a Cover-3 that has different principles and different post-snap reads than the standard Cover-3. Example: A version of Cover-3 that I like to run has my flat defenders (the OLB and Strong Safety) cover the #2 WR if he runs VERTICAL (down the seam) or OUT (flats). This gives the QB a Cover-3 pre-snap read but when he attempts to throw the seam route there's a defender covering him. THE BASE PRINCIPLES OF THIS COVER-3 COMPLETELY TAKE AWAY THE COVERAGE'S MAIN WEAKNESS. (the seams) This leaves the QB with only one other option, the flats to the #1. (i.e. a hitch route) The first time I ran this coverage my Strong Safety got a pick-6 cause the QB read Cover-3 and threw "hot" to #2 down the seam.

The same thing applies to Cover-2. You can run a basic Cover-2 as much as you want but you gotta make it look different. Have your CB's fool around with their alignment. Show press-man and then back out just before the ball is snapped. Align in a standard Cover-3 alignment (7x1) but then come up into a Cover-2 after the snap.

Principles > Pre-Snap Alignment > Actual Play Call

Once you get those coverages down perfect then you can start creating different ways to bring pressure.


We're not being exposed on a weekly basis because we only run a couple coverages. We're being exposed because WE DON'T DO ANYTHING RIGHT. We're not good at any one thing. That's why offenses can take whatever they want against us. We're not good at Cover-3, we're not good at Cover-2, our LB's are lost in coverage, etc. It shouldn't take 3 years to master basic Cover-3, Cover-2 and Man. I got high school kids to master it.
 
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There's way too many throws that are being totally uncontested. That's one very big sign of being an un-sound defense.

One incident that really bugs me and seems to happen alot...

Against trips, we'll blitz our weak-side OLB but don't replace his vacant zone with any defenders. The offense simply runs a drag route from the trips side and once he clears Perryman's face, who passes him off to nobody, the QB throws the ball to him. He catches the drag and there's nobody near him for 15 yards. There's liteally nobody to the right of Perryman to pick up that drag.

I would normally call this a "coverage bust" and blame it on a player but this has happened wayyyy too many times.

Is D'Onofrio counting on the blitz to get there before the WR from the trips side can pass Perryman on the drag? *shrugs*
 
WCD:

Where did I ever say they don't show different coverages??

In the "Okie 2 Tony" play, the formation at the snap shows cover 2, and then at the snap the Jack backer drops into the deep middle, creating a pseudo Cover three. It's the tampa-2 out of a 3-4 2 gap.

I have enormous respect for your knowledge of XO's; way deeper than mine certainly. But sometimes you think too much about yourself: you coach highschool. Opposing QBs and OCs on the HS level can easily be ****ed with even with a clean pocket simply by showing one look and shifting to another. Typically HS QBs are going to look to their first read and throw it there. If they are more advanced and if their OL is elite, they may go through their progressions, and find an open guy after 1) realizing what the actual coverage is 2) finding the weak spot.

The issue with what we do is that in college (and obv in the NFL), if you don't pressure a QB, and he is well coached, he will simply go through his progressions, regardless of what you show him pre-snap. He will be coached all week on exactly what to do if they show one thing and shift to another. And he will gain confidence in his decision making as he finds himself totally clean in the pocket.

The reason we don't "do any of the basic stuff well" is b/c our front is designed to get no pressure (save for 3rd down man blitzes, which put enormous pressure on our garbage OLBs and Ss), and breakdowns will always occur against a zone D. So of COURSE we will be "bad" at cover 3: give any QB time against a zone and he will pick it apart. THAT is why we look bad at it.
 
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Saying that we suck because we can't implement our whole playbook is nothing more than an excuse. These kids aren't retarded. FSU kids aren't having a problem picking up Pruitt's schemes. Plus, most of the kids on our starting D aren't even from South Florida.

The fact that we're "vanilla" isn't an excuse either. You can be effective if you're vanilla but you just have to be sound. There's only so many coverages you can run anyway. We're obviously NOT sound because there's vacancies in every coverage we run.

We wouldn't be any better on defense even if D'Onofrio installed his whole playbook. We can't even do the basics right.

Show me any team in the last ten years that had a good defense running an Okie front with everyone else in zone. You know much more football than I do, but I can't see how our base package would be effective even if we are fundamentally sound. In 2013, coverages are only as good as your ability to 1) disguise them 2) mix them 3) pressure the QB.

If we are only capable of running a few coverages and blitzes, you can't mix them, and after 5 games of film bc there are so few, you can't disguise them. And if you can't bring pressure, they WILL be exploited.

Saying that we suck because we can't implement our whole playbook is nothing more than an excuse. These kids aren't retarded. FSU kids aren't having a problem picking up Pruitt's schemes. Plus, most of the kids on our starting D aren't even from South Florida.

The fact that we're "vanilla" isn't an excuse either. You can be effective if you're vanilla but you just have to be sound. There's only so many coverages you can run anyway. We're obviously NOT sound because there's vacancies in every coverage we run.

We wouldn't be any better on defense even if D'Onofrio installed his whole playbook. We can't even do the basics right.

Show me any team in the last ten years that had a good defense running an Okie front with everyone else in zone. You know much more football than I do, but I can't see how our base package would be effective even if we are fundamentally sound. In 2013, coverages are only as good as your ability to 1) disguise them 2) mix them 3) pressure the QB.

If we are only capable of running a few coverages and blitzes, you can't mix them, and after 5 games of film bc there are so few, you can't disguise them. And if you can't bring pressure, they WILL be exploited.


The key is to make your coverages and fronts LOOK different every play. I can run Cover-3 every single play but if I make it LOOK DIFFERENT every time then it's gonna ***** with the QB's pre-snap reads. The first thing a QB is looking at are the Safeties. Their depth and alignment will tell the QB what coverage the defense is in.

You could have stopped your post there and it would have still been a great post. This is a significant reason why teams/QBs seem to "have their best day against us." We are losing out on competitive advantage because, going to GoldenShowers' point, the combination of our foundation with our poor disguise (which goes to philosophy) allows opponents to manipulate us through formation, shifts and route trees. All of the above. That makes already lesser talented players look worse than what they are (my primary gripe).

I talked about last season and you and I talked about it before this season: if were trotting out an offense against our D, I'd be in trips or motion to trips an unusual amount of the time.
 
There's way too many throws that are being totally uncontested. That's one very big sign of being an un-sound defense.

One incident that really bugs me and seems to happen alot...

Against trips, we'll blitz our weak-side OLB but don't replace his vacant zone with any defenders. The offense simply runs a drag route from the trips side and once he clears Perryman's face, who passes him off to nobody, the QB throws the ball to him. He catches the drag and there's nobody near him for 15 yards. There's liteally nobody to the right of Perryman to pick up that drag.

I would normally call this a "coverage bust" and blame it on a player but this has happened wayyyy too many times.

Is D'Onofrio counting on the blitz to get there before the WR from the trips side can pass Perryman on the drag? *shrugs*

Dude this is the most mind numbing thing we do......It's basically a fire zone blitz but without dropping the DL into the passing lane. Makes no sense to me. What I think often happens is these kids also don't know when they are in man or zone.
 
There's way too many throws that are being totally uncontested. That's one very big sign of being an un-sound defense.

One incident that really bugs me and seems to happen alot...

Against trips, we'll blitz our weak-side OLB but don't replace his vacant zone with any defenders. The offense simply runs a drag route from the trips side and once he clears Perryman's face, who passes him off to nobody, the QB throws the ball to him. He catches the drag and there's nobody near him for 15 yards. There's liteally nobody to the right of Perryman to pick up that drag.

I would normally call this a "coverage bust" and blame it on a player but this has happened wayyyy too many times.

Is D'Onofrio counting on the blitz to get there before the WR from the trips side can pass Perryman on the drag? *shrugs*

Dude this is the most mind numbing thing we do......It's basically a fire zone blitz but without dropping the DL into the passing lane. Makes no sense to me. What I think often happens is these kids also don't know when they are in man or zone.

I actually believe they've improved in passing guys b/w each other - definitely from when Golden and D'Ono started here. In the re-watch of the VT and Duke games, I saw hand signals and clear indications of guys passing. What is pretty evident is that some guys look insanely uncomfortable in zone. Add that to what we're asking our DL to do. Then combine it with a few very weak links in a defense that tips its hand before the play. I don't care if players have the best communication in the world. Those zones are going to get stretched out. I posted a picture a couple weeks back of the ideal/theoretical Cover 3 zone. Then I posted a picture of what it'd look like if an area is flooded or stretched.

That's basically what other teams are doing. They're just manipulating us. Is the answer to that more talent or coaching (by willingness to adjust)? It's ******* both. But, I'm far more confident we'll get an infusion of talent because Golden seems to be a good recruiter. I don't know if we're going to get the willingness. Maybe a little at a time as we trickle in more talent.
 
Wonder if coaches struggle to get through to a player...I think about what Eddie Johnson said in his article when he tried to talk to the DC and the DC had no idea what he was talking about. Wonder if they just can't teach what they want to teach because they can't adapt to their player?
 
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