After a quick study of AG's UVA playbook:

[CaneHammer]

Awesome post. I still do not think there is a way even playing to mask our ****ty players. Even if we lined up and ran man under 2. Saban does what he does by having a 4 man pass rush that he can lean on and having safeties that have the range to start in the "box" and drop into quarters coverage once they read pass. We will NOT be the Miami we all love until we get to where we can generate real pressure with 4. We want to beat teams that have QBs like Winston, we will have to be able to drop 7 and get a pass rush. Any team that has to generate pressure with blitzing and stunting will not be able to beat teams with good QBs. That is when good OCs will scheme to rape that all day long.

I still find myself asking why we do not creep 8 and 9 in the box to completely take away the run as witnessed last weekend against Duke.

Good DCs find ways to generate pressure by disguising blitzes that come from different angles. Not many teams are able to only rush four and generate a good pass rush. When you don't have the horses to win match-ups one on one, you have to be able to out-scheme your opponent to make up for any deficiencies of your players.

However, reading the OP it sounds like instead of implementing whatever simpler blitz schemes to mask our lack of athleticism, Dorito is choosing to go simple and vanilla in hopes the offense messes up.

Not disagreeing at all. I don't think the HC or DC (or anyone on the defensive staff) have an answer. But I stand by what I said, we will not be Miami again until we can generate a pass rush with 4. It compounds the issue for the offense. When you can generate a pass rush with 4 against their 5, it forces them to counter by leaving what would be receivers in to aid the Oline. We should be crushing the **** teams on our schedule by sending only 4 at a time. Saving the "scheming" for the top opponents.

Trust me. I give them NO PASS for last week or VagTech. Even the effort in the second half could have been better against FSU. They should wear that egg all day everyday.

 

[Mico Jones]

Keep in mind that AL Groh was run out of Georgia Tech because the defense was too complex

 

[niuvalleycane]

Keep in mind that AL Groh was run out of Georgia Tech because the defense was too complex

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[killa1storm]

Maybe you guys can simplify it some?

Muschamp had a heavy 3-4 base when he first got to UF. He would alternate between 2-gap and 1-gap also. Halfway through year 1 he scrapped it and implemented a hybrid 3-3-5 and when we went 3-4 we 1-gapped it and basically used it to hide where the 4th rusher was coming from. We had Bryant Young at the time and he flat out said he didn't think they could find lineman to 2-gap it the way they wanted to. Floyd was a 1st round pick and failed miserably when he was forced to 2-gap.

I know you guys alternated between the two so you don't rely solely on 2-gap. But more what I'm trying to get across is that we have been able to sign top shelf lineman the past few years and the coaches still felt they couldn't run it, that's sort of telling. I definitely think you guys have personnel issues, but your recruiting base lends itself to a certain type of player, run with that.

We do it quite a bit. Some guys really, really struggle, obviously.

Lu, you should check out some of our film on defense from 11' and last year. As far as formation goes we tried to do similar things when Muschamp first came in. You'll even notice in some of the clips we had Easley and Floyd at defensive end which was nonsensical, it didn't fully utilize their talents. The 12' defense and the defense the first part of this year didn't really take off until those guys were put inside and allowed to wreak havoc up field. Not a fan of Muschamp as a head coach but I give him credit for realizing what he had on the roster and moving away from what he had done for years.

 

[LuCane]

Keep in mind that AL Groh was run out of Georgia Tech because the defense was too complex

Think GS mentions it in his original post.

An excerpt from a random article:

DEFENSE: This was the team’s Achilles’ Heel throughout the first half of the season, but the firing of Al Groh midseason turned out to be a good move, as the team made significant improvements in the second half of the season under interim coordinator Charles Kelly. Even more impressive was the fact that Georgia Tech played the USC game without its leading tackler -- junior safety Isaiah Johnson, who was injured -- and played the majority of the Sun Bowl without one of its top defenders – linebacker Jeremiah Attaochu. In the first six games of the season, Tech allowed 13.3 points in the fourth quarter and in overtime, compared to just 3.9 points in the fourth quarter the final eight games of the season. The Yellow Jackets did not allow a fourth-quarter point in each of the final four games (vs. Duke, Georgia, FSU and USC). They shutout both FSU and USC in the second half of those games.

To be fair, there seemed to be lots going on with that decision and result. Groh openly stated that GTech was a toxic environment, etc.

 

[JHallCanes]

Man, that was a good post to read.

It gets a bit tiring reading about how our coach and DC are "idiots" when it's pretty clear they are far from it. There's certainly a **** of a lot more to the disconnect than "our coaches are dumb"

 

[skyman]

Man, that was a good post to read.

It gets a bit tiring reading about how our coach and DC are "idiots" when it's pretty clear they are far from it. There's certainly a **** of a lot more to the disconnect than "our coaches are dumb"

Reading Killa's post, When you tell me a line with Floyd and Easley werent able to do something we are asking our guys to do and we have been trying for multiple years to do, and we still havent adjusted and from the sounds of Golden will stick to and still try, I dont know man. Thats kinda scary.

Maybe not dumb but just stubborn maybe? I have seen that posted on here, then it just boils over when freaking Duke blocks us into the goal post for 350 on ground for 50 points! Dude that is frustrating and no amount of talent talk will make us feel that Duke can trample us like a jv high school team

 

[Bigtip]

conclusion:

this defense is terrible for us and does not fit out players.

get rid of it

 

[JHallCanes]

Man, that was a good post to read.

It gets a bit tiring reading about how our coach and DC are "idiots" when it's pretty clear they are far from it. There's certainly a **** of a lot more to the disconnect than "our coaches are dumb"

Reading Killa's post, When you tell me a line with Floyd and Easley werent able to do something we are asking our guys to do and we have been trying for multiple years to do, and we still havent adjusted and from the sounds of Golden will stick to and still try, I dont know man. Thats kinda scary.

Maybe not dumb but just stubborn maybe? I have seen that posted on here, then it just boils over when freaking Duke blocks us into the goal post for 350 on ground for 50 points! Dude that is frustrating and no amount of talent talk will make us feel that Duke can trample us like a jv high school team

I agree with you man, all the way. I am certainly not trying to defend what we are doing, but it's pretty clear it's more than our coaches being stupid.

I have been a defender of the "process" for a while now but Duke was the last straw for me as well. Our talent isn't elite but it sure as **** is much more capable than what we are seeing and it's up to these guys to figure it the **** out.

 

[miamifan007]

Maybe you guys can simplify it some?

Muschamp had a heavy 3-4 base when he first got to UF. He would alternate between 2-gap and 1-gap also. Halfway through year 1 he scrapped it and implemented a hybrid 3-3-5 and when we went 3-4 we 1-gapped it and basically used it to hide where the 4th rusher was coming from. We had Bryant Young at the time and he flat out said he didn't think they could find lineman to 2-gap it the way they wanted to. Floyd was a 1st round pick and failed miserably when he was forced to 2-gap.

I know you guys alternated between the two so you don't rely solely on 2-gap. But more what I'm trying to get across is that we have been able to sign top shelf lineman the past few years and the coaches still felt they couldn't run it, that's sort of telling. I definitely think you guys have personnel issues, but your recruiting base lends itself to a certain type of player, run with that.

AG is too stubborn to realize this. It's been 3 years of the same 2gap bull****

This is what I'm afraid of, which if it is, then he won't be around too long.

 

[RiDLer80]

Stubborn, hard-headed, rigid mofos that think their stuff is to good to make any adjustments to it.

This scheme is not built for SoFla talent. They need to realize that and adapt. This is a great post and thread but as I read more I just get more ****ed off at their unwillingness to change.

 

[CaneHammer]

Adapt or find something else to do Al.

 

[CANE]

[video=youtube;p1DHEcVtVdA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1DHEcVtVdA[/video]

 

[TotesMagotes]

This is explains the persistent pre-snap confusion.

But how do you explain the effectiveness of the defense during the beginning of the season?

The players didn't get dumber. Maybe the opponents got smarter?

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

Man, that was a good post to read.

It gets a bit tiring reading about how our coach and DC are "idiots" when it's pretty clear they are far from it. There's certainly a **** of a lot more to the disconnect than "our coaches are dumb"

Someone already hit on it, but come on man. Just because they run a complex scheme doesn't mean they are smart football coaches. The sheer fact that they are so rigid and stubborn doesn't lead me to believe that are coaches are "smart" in the most important areas.

 

[razrcane]

Keep in mind that AL Groh was run out of Georgia Tech because the defense was too complex

Truth...here's text from the AJC article announcing his firing....somethings might sound familiar....

"In coach Paul Johnson’s analysis, Groh did not fall short in his effort or smarts.

“What’s inside his head, he’s very knowledgeable,” Johnson said. “There’s no questioning that. The problem was becoming, what’s in there, we weren’t seeing on the field.”

Groh’s tenure concluded in a blizzard of points, yards and missed tackles. In Tech’s past three games, losses to Miami, Middle Tennessee State and Clemson, the Yellow Jackets gave up an average of 46 points and 573.3 yards. Opponents converted 31 of 46 third downs into first downs. Improbably, Tech fared slightly worse when opponents faced 3rd-and-7 or longer than 3rd-and-6 or less.

Tech gave up more than 40 points in the three consecutive games, the first time that has happened in school history."
http://blogs.ajc.com/georgia-tech-sports/2012/10/08/al-groh-fired-at-tech/

 

[RiDLer80]

Keep in mind that AL Groh was run out of Georgia Tech because the defense was too complex

Truth...here's text from the AJC article announcing his firing....somethings might sound familiar....

"In coach Paul Johnson’s analysis, Groh did not fall short in his effort or smarts.

“What’s inside his head, he’s very knowledgeable,” Johnson said. “There’s no questioning that. The problem was becoming, what’s in there, we weren’t seeing on the field.”

Groh’s tenure concluded in a blizzard of points, yards and missed tackles. In Tech’s past three games, losses to Miami, Middle Tennessee State and Clemson, the Yellow Jackets gave up an average of 46 points and 573.3 yards. Opponents converted 31 of 46 third downs into first downs. Improbably, Tech fared slightly worse when opponents faced 3rd-and-7 or longer than 3rd-and-6 or less.

Tech gave up more than 40 points in the three consecutive games, the first time that has happened in school history."
http://blogs.ajc.com/georgia-tech-sports/2012/10/08/al-groh-fired-at-tech/

Jesus. Replace Johnson with Golden and Groh with D'ohnofrio and that's Miami. **** me.

 

[dadecounty25]

Keep in mind that AL Groh was run out of Georgia Tech because the defense was too complex

Truth...here's text from the AJC article announcing his firing....somethings might sound familiar....

"In coach Paul Johnson’s analysis, Groh did not fall short in his effort or smarts.

“What’s inside his head, he’s very knowledgeable,” Johnson said. “There’s no questioning that. The problem was becoming, what’s in there, we weren’t seeing on the field.”

Groh’s tenure concluded in a blizzard of points, yards and missed tackles. In Tech’s past three games, losses to Miami, Middle Tennessee State and Clemson, the Yellow Jackets gave up an average of 46 points and 573.3 yards. Opponents converted 31 of 46 third downs into first downs. Improbably, Tech fared slightly worse when opponents faced 3rd-and-7 or longer than 3rd-and-6 or less.

Tech gave up more than 40 points in the three consecutive games, the first time that has happened in school history."
http://blogs.ajc.com/georgia-tech-sports/2012/10/08/al-groh-fired-at-tech/

Deja Vu

 

[JHallCanes]

Man, that was a good post to read.

It gets a bit tiring reading about how our coach and DC are "idiots" when it's pretty clear they are far from it. There's certainly a **** of a lot more to the disconnect than "our coaches are dumb"

Someone already hit on it, but come on man. Just because they run a complex scheme doesn't mean they are smart football coaches. The sheer fact that they are so rigid and stubborn doesn't lead me to believe that are coaches are "smart" in the most important areas.

Ah, simple misunderstanding. Not saying smart coaches, just saying they are not stupid people, especially Golden. My mistake there.

To elaborate I think one important aspect of Golden's tenure has ironically been his ability to adapt the program around him. He seems to be able to recognize when changes off the field need addressed. Hence my "disconnect" comment when we start talking about on -field issues,

 

[JHallCanes]

Keep in mind that AL Groh was run out of Georgia Tech because the defense was too complex

Truth...here's text from the AJC article announcing his firing....somethings might sound familiar....

"In coach Paul Johnson’s analysis, Groh did not fall short in his effort or smarts.

“What’s inside his head, he’s very knowledgeable,” Johnson said. “There’s no questioning that. The problem was becoming, what’s in there, we weren’t seeing on the field.”

Groh’s tenure concluded in a blizzard of points, yards and missed tackles. In Tech’s past three games, losses to Miami, Middle Tennessee State and Clemson, the Yellow Jackets gave up an average of 46 points and 573.3 yards. Opponents converted 31 of 46 third downs into first downs. Improbably, Tech fared slightly worse when opponents faced 3rd-and-7 or longer than 3rd-and-6 or less.

Tech gave up more than 40 points in the three consecutive games, the first time that has happened in school history."
http://blogs.ajc.com/georgia-tech-sports/2012/10/08/al-groh-fired-at-tech/

Jesus. Replace Johnson with Golden and Groh with D'ohnofrio and that's Miami. **** me.

So they fired him without giving him an opportunity to recruit 5 star players across the board and get them to stick around for their RS senior seasons? ********.