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SMU has no shot at making it with their schedule.

We have a 2.5 game lead on them in opponents cumulative conference record right now. Plus Pitt is guaranteed 2 losses if the tie breaker remains in effect. Louisville and Duke are the only decent teams in their ACC slate and we have both on our schedule and Clemson also has Louisville. So they can’t really gain ground.

Syracuse and GT wins help us while SMU is reliant on Boston College and Clemson needs NCST to boost their resume.
 
5XNC said:
Who cares? Go undefeated and don’t play in the ACCcg we still make the playoffs and get a week to rest up
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Mostly this. Go 12-0 and we make the CFP. Even if by some scenario we don't play in the ACCCG, a 12-0 Miami team will make a 12 team CFP.

However, we need to win the ACC to get 1 of the 4 byes. So I'd definitely be upset if we don't get that chance
 
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I think Louisville has a great chance to beat clemson next week

clemson hasn't played an offense with a pulse yet (except for UGA who smoked them)

Pitt could also take down SMU but not as confident on that one
 
5XNC said:
Who cares? Go undefeated and don’t play in the ACCcg we still make the playoffs and get a week to rest up
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It would still work out to the same amount of games

Worst case scenario is we go undefeated then lose in ACC championship, but they give us an at large bid in the playoffs.
That would force us to play the extra game.

We play Syracuse on 11/30
If we're in we play ACC Ship on 12/7

Win the ACC ship and we don't play until 12/31 or 1/1

Lose the ACC ship and we're probably looking at playing 12/20-21 if they give us the at large.

The scenario that is also possible would be losing the ACC ship bid to Clem and SMU, but I'm pretty confident we'd get the at large. Meaning we'd play Syracuse on 11/30 and then play the at large game 3 weeks later.

Honestly I feel very confident that we're getting in as long as we don't lose to anyone but possibly in the ACC ship.
 
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GOCanes4420 said:
Is it really as stupid as I’m being told? Opponents winning %???

So we need to root for Florida and Ball state to win? Even if it works out for us, no one can control opponents winning %.
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CONFERENCE opponents winning %.

Gheyters W over FSU hurts Miami.

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JamesQuall said:
A. Two-Team Tie
1. Head-to-head competition between the two tied teams.​
2. Win-percentage versus all common opponents.​
3. Win-percentage versus common opponents based upon their order of finish (overall conference​
win-percentage, with ties broken) and proceeding through other common opponents based upon​
their order of finish.​
4. Combined win-percentage of conference opponents.​
5. The tied team with the higher ranking by the Team Rating Score metric provided by SportSource​
Analytics following the conclusion of regular season games.​
6. The representative shall be chosen by a draw as administered by the Commissioner or​
Commissioner’s designee.​
​
B. Three (or More) Team Tie
Three team (or more) tiebreaker procedure will first be used to identify one Championship Game
representative. Once that team is determined, the tiebreaker procedures restart for the remaining tied
teams.
1. Combined head-to-head win-percentage among the tied teams if all tied teams are common​
opponents.​
2. If all the tied teams are not common opponents, the tied team that defeated each of the other tied​
teams.​
i. If all the tied teams are not common opponents, no tied team defeated each of the other​
tied teams, but a tied team lost to each of the other tied teams, such team shall be​
eliminated and removed from the tie.​
3. Win-percentage versus all common opponents.​
4. Win-percentage versus common opponents based upon their order of finish (overall conference​
win-percentage, with ties broken) and proceeding through other common opponents based upon​
their order of finish.​
5. Combined win-percentage of conference opponents.​
6. The tied team with the highest ranking by the Team Rating Score metric provided by SportSource​
Analytics following the conclusion of regular season games.​
7. The representative shall be chosen by a draw as administered by the Commissioner or​
Commissioner’s designee.​
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I need to consult with my lawyer on what this all means…
 
252cane said:
It absolutely is. Smu plays Pitt next so that cancels out 1 of them. And Clemson still has vt and pitt. So those teams will settle it amongst themselves. We win out we are in plain and simple
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Uh no. Um, Clem and smu can easily all be undefeated in conference play. If that happens the two with best conference % wins will advance.
 
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Updated after last weeks games: Clemson holds a half game lead over Miami with conference opponent's in-conference record of 16-21, Miami's at 16-22, and SMU 2.5 back from Miami at 13-24.

I actually went through and assumed the 3 teams win out at 8-0 and then took the FPI prediction for all other games - that actually results in Miami with a strong lead for the 1 seed and Clemson being left out.

According to FPI predictions - Miami opponents would end up at 28-36 (43%), Clemson opponents would end up at 24-40 (38%), and SMU opponents would end up at 25-39 (39%).

Some key shake up games for the 3 team race down the stretch are: Clemson vs the 3 remaining teams on their schedule (VT, Louisville, Pitt), SMU/Pitt - obviously any loss in those games makes it irrelevant, GT/NCST, Syracuse/BC, and Cal/Syracuse.

Just the way the schedules shake out and the overlap down the stretch, I'm sure it's mathematically possible, but it seems like a very slim chance Miami is the one left out. Not a lot of H2H of uncommon opponents left and lots of games are a clean wash of a .500 net result on your schedule regardless of the winner.

Interesting question.. would you rather see Clemson or SMU in the ACCCG?
 
JayCane20 said:
Updated after last weeks games: Clemson holds a half game lead over Miami with conference opponent's in-conference record of 16-21, Miami's at 16-22, and SMU 2.5 back from Miami at 13-24.

I actually went through and assumed the 3 teams win out at 8-0 and then took the FPI prediction for all other games - that actually results in Miami with a strong lead for the 1 seed and Clemson being left out.

According to FPI predictions - Miami opponents would end up at 28-36 (43%), Clemson opponents would end up at 24-40 (38%), and SMU opponents would end up at 25-39 (39%).

Some key shake up games for the 3 team race down the stretch are: Clemson vs the 3 remaining teams on their schedule (VT, Louisville, Pitt), SMU/Pitt - obviously any loss in those games makes it irrelevant, GT/NCST, Syracuse/BC, and Cal/Syracuse.

Just the way the schedules shake out and the overlap down the stretch, I'm sure it's mathematically possible, but it seems like a very slim chance Miami is the one left out. Not a lot of H2H of uncommon opponents left and lots of games are a clean wash of a .500 net result on your schedule regardless of the winner.

Interesting question.. would you rather see Clemson or SMU in the ACCCG?
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SMU no doubt

We're better at both lines of scrimmage (our OL vs their DL and our DL vs their OL) most importantly

I think our WR's can beat their CB's and S (even in Man-Coverage)

SMU has been very turnover fortunate on defense.

SMU will score, but I don't think they would be able to keep up.

Clemson on the other hand - LOS probably washes out in terms of advantage

They can do what FSU did in terms of coverages and they good WR's (Wesco for example), that one TE that murked us last year and Mafah.

Ward is the difference maker though and I don't trust Klubnick enough.
 
TheRichtShow said:
Mostly this. Go 12-0 and we make the CFP. Even if by some scenario we don't play in the ACCCG, a 12-0 Miami team will make a 12 team CFP.

However, we need to win the ACC to get 1 of the 4 byes. So I'd definitely be upset if we don't get that chance
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It could be argued that the #5 overall seed is the best spot to be, outside of #1 or #2.

If you get the #5 spot, yes you do not get the bye that the 4 conference champs do so you have to play an extra game, but you get a home game against the #12 seed, which will almost certainly be the Go5 representative. Then if you win you play the worst of the conference champions.

There’s a real scenario where the #5 team gets a home game vs Boise or equivalent and a neutral site bowl game against BYU or Iowa State.

I want to win the ACC and not worry about all this ****. We need to finally win this league. And a bye would be great. But it’s interesting to think about going 12-0, not making the ACCCG and possibly getting the #5 overall seed.
 
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JayCane20 said:
Updated after last weeks games: Clemson holds a half game lead over Miami with conference opponent's in-conference record of 16-21, Miami's at 16-22, and SMU 2.5 back from Miami at 13-24.

I actually went through and assumed the 3 teams win out at 8-0 and then took the FPI prediction for all other games - that actually results in Miami with a strong lead for the 1 seed and Clemson being left out.

According to FPI predictions - Miami opponents would end up at 28-36 (43%), Clemson opponents would end up at 24-40 (38%), and SMU opponents would end up at 25-39 (39%).

Some key shake up games for the 3 team race down the stretch are: Clemson vs the 3 remaining teams on their schedule (VT, Louisville, Pitt), SMU/Pitt - obviously any loss in those games makes it irrelevant, GT/NCST, Syracuse/BC, and Cal/Syracuse.

Just the way the schedules shake out and the overlap down the stretch, I'm sure it's mathematically possible, but it seems like a very slim chance Miami is the one left out. Not a lot of H2H of uncommon opponents left and lots of games are a clean wash of a .500 net result on your schedule regardless of the winner.

Interesting question.. would you rather see Clemson or SMU in the ACCCG?
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Pitt actually tops everyone on ACC opponent %.
Of course, this is moot as they will have beaten SMU and Clemson.
 
JayCane20 said:
Updated after last weeks games: Clemson holds a half game lead over Miami with conference opponent's in-conference record of 16-21, Miami's at 16-22, and SMU 2.5 back from Miami at 13-24.

I actually went through and assumed the 3 teams win out at 8-0 and then took the FPI prediction for all other games - that actually results in Miami with a strong lead for the 1 seed and Clemson being left out.

According to FPI predictions - Miami opponents would end up at 28-36 (43%), Clemson opponents would end up at 24-40 (38%), and SMU opponents would end up at 25-39 (39%).

Some key shake up games for the 3 team race down the stretch are: Clemson vs the 3 remaining teams on their schedule (VT, Louisville, Pitt), SMU/Pitt - obviously any loss in those games makes it irrelevant, GT/NCST, Syracuse/BC, and Cal/Syracuse.

Just the way the schedules shake out and the overlap down the stretch, I'm sure it's mathematically possible, but it seems like a very slim chance Miami is the one left out. Not a lot of H2H of uncommon opponents left and lots of games are a clean wash of a .500 net result on your schedule regardless of the winner.

Interesting question.. would you rather see Clemson or SMU in the ACCCG?
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Let's play Clemson. Better team.
They may get to the top-5 if they win out.

Interesting that the CFBPO brackets do not re-seed.
IF we wind up with a #2 seed, we would play the winner of the 6-11 game, #3 would play 7-10 winner, #4 would play 8-9 winner.

The #3 would avoid the BIG and SEC CG losers in the second round.
 
JamesQuall said:
A. Two-Team Tie
1. Head-to-head competition between the two tied teams.​
2. Win-percentage versus all common opponents.​
3. Win-percentage versus common opponents based upon their order of finish (overall conference​
win-percentage, with ties broken) and proceeding through other common opponents based upon​
their order of finish.​
4. Combined win-percentage of conference opponents.​
5. The tied team with the higher ranking by the Team Rating Score metric provided by SportSource​
Analytics following the conclusion of regular season games.​
6. The representative shall be chosen by a draw as administered by the Commissioner or​
Commissioner’s designee.​
​
B. Three (or More) Team Tie
Three team (or more) tiebreaker procedure will first be used to identify one Championship Game
representative. Once that team is determined, the tiebreaker procedures restart for the remaining tied
teams.
1. Combined head-to-head win-percentage among the tied teams if all tied teams are common​
opponents.​
2. If all the tied teams are not common opponents, the tied team that defeated each of the other tied​
teams.​
i. If all the tied teams are not common opponents, no tied team defeated each of the other​
tied teams, but a tied team lost to each of the other tied teams, such team shall be​
eliminated and removed from the tie.​
3. Win-percentage versus all common opponents.​
4. Win-percentage versus common opponents based upon their order of finish (overall conference​
win-percentage, with ties broken) and proceeding through other common opponents based upon​
their order of finish.​
5. Combined win-percentage of conference opponents.​
6. The tied team with the highest ranking by the Team Rating Score metric provided by SportSource​
Analytics following the conclusion of regular season games.​
7. The representative shall be chosen by a draw as administered by the Commissioner or​
Commissioner’s designee.​
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I’ll say this..you can bet your *** that if there is any scenario where we are the undefeated, #3 or #4 team in the country at years end and we don’t make it to our own conference title because of some stupid rules than the ACC fat cats will blow up the tiebreaker rules in the offseason in fear we will be next in line to sue to leave. It would be the worst case scenario for the conference especially with all the controversy they been dealing with to begin with.

Now that said, these things always work themselves out in the end so I’m really not worried.
 
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