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mcnaire2004 said:
We can control our future a few ways:
-better OOC schedule
-Better recruiting (Mario is NOT recruiting at all elite level right now)
-winning our games (Mario it's NOT coaching at an elite level right now)

If we do that going forward it wouldn't matter to us how the ACC is viewed.
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The SEC/B10 scheduling agreement is going to make that even harder
 
Silver King said:
Yeah because we've had so much success in the ACC where the program was allowed to transition to playing down to the competition and never came back up for air.

Look at our **** fan base, most are younger and don't remember when the Canes were known for the type guys we recruited who refused to be intimidated: "We'll play anybody anywhere!" And then went out and backed it up. Now it's "Let's hope their starting QB doesn't come back for this game." Or, "We still have a path if...Or "Fill in the blank Tears "- when our program cried as much as theirs. Decades of that junk because of the on field product.

Most of the Canes and Coaching since, enjoyed the swagger those Championship days and the Orange Bowl left them, but couldn't walk the walk. All the ACC did for us was make us mediocre, and we didn't do much for them except supply some motivation for their teams to beat a once great program that was far easier than they thought.

We should have begged to get into the SEC years ago, where programs have to focus and recruit OL/DL to set a foundation to survive, rather than as a second thought.
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You're a real pirate hooker and I want to slap you in public.

PS: Last I checked Texas hadn't won the B12 in more than a decade and this year the #1 seed in the SEC is from the B12, #1 seed in the B10 is from the PAC12, #1 seed in the ACC is from the AAC.
 
We all know that Miami needs to get out of the ACC, the administration knows it too. The issue is that the SEC and the B1G have indicated that they have no interest in expanding and in the case of the SEC, they want to ensure that programs like Miami, FSU and Clemson die on the vine. They had no problem adding Texas and OU, those were markets that they had limited penetration in. SEC schools recruit Florida heavily, if they can eliminate competition by making it extremely unattractive to attend Miami and FSU, it makes their lives easier.

Miami's ONLY hope is to get into the B1G. That said, it's tough to leave if you have nowhere to go. I have no doubt the administration is trying to leverage connections, and get out of the ACC.
 
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mcnaire2004 said:
We can control our future a few ways:
-better OOC schedule
-Better recruiting (Mario is NOT recruiting at all elite level right now)
-winning our games (Mario it's NOT coaching at an elite level right now)

If we do that going forward it wouldn't matter to us how the ACC is viewed.
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I heard the majority (almost all?) of 5 star recruits went to SEC and BIG 10. What if elite players don't really want to play in what is considered a 2nd tier conference?
 
We would have no chance of winning a SEC or Big10 championship…eos
We can’t even win a ACC championship….know your limitations.
 
We are not CHOOSING to stay here. We CAN’T Leave. The conference is set up so that it can’t collapse due to schools leaving for greener pastures.

Considering we are stuck here, maybe figure out how to beat all the other ACC teams that have just as many, if not more, disadvantages as Miami.
 
The bigger issue with this is how much I truly feel it’s going to impact recruiting more and more every year. Someone posted this the other day but not a single 5 star signed with a school that wasn’t in the SEC or Big Ten. Every school in the top ten in the recruiting rankings are also from those conferences. Kids are being brought up to believe you’ll have a better chance to make the playoff, be developed better, make more money, etc. if you go to one of those power conferences. I don’t think I’m being hyperbolic when I say if we don’t get out of this conference as soon as possible we are screwed.
 
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Salt said:
I heard the majority (almost all?) of 5 star recruits went to SEC and BIG 10. What if elite players don't really want to play in what is considered a 2nd tier conference?
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this is a big point.
The wheels were set in motion with FSU's snub last year. The systematic breakdown of the ACC as a legit power conference in order to enrich the P2. FSU - right or wrong - recognized it and made a stink, even while everyone laughed and now we find ourselves nexdt in line.

Mario can recruit and pay as well or better than anyone in the BIG2 but kids see that going to the ACC is a hair better than playing for BIG 12, AAC. Why do it when you can go to the big 2, maybe take a paycut in the short term (revenue sharing coming and guess who makes the most $) and still be in the mix for one of the 5, 6, 7? Playoff spots instead of having to go undefeated for a chance to make it with 1 team in the ACC.
 
88 said:
Why in the world did FSU, Miami and Clemson agree to the Grant of Rights? It only helps Wake Forests and Dukes of the world
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There’s not one part of accuracy in what you just said, and it’s not even the issue.

granting your media rights is needed to get conference to be able to negotiate a tv contract. Period

The issue was its length which was insane and done to get the ACC network but still they were horrible in negotiating that
 
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Canedude08 said:
they want to ensure that programs like Miami, FSU and Clemson die on the vine. They had no problem adding Texas and OU, those were markets that they had limited penetration in. SEC schools recruit Florida heavily, if they can eliminate competition by making it extremely unattractive to attend Miami and FSU, it makes their lives easier.
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People refuse to understand this point. Just stop with the “market” talk. They want Miami dead.
 
The ACC is a sunk conference..we're closer to the B12 at this point than the SEC/B1G despite having 2 different teams that have won 3 natl titles in the past 10 years.
 
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We ain't moving conferences anytime soon.

The good news : The Portal transfer and NIL has evened the playing field and made HS recruiting less relevant (still important. Don't get me wrong).

The days of the dominant super team are over. An ACC team can still win a NC.

Dominate the ACC. Get in. Let the rest sort itself out.
 
Ispyin said:
There’s not one part of accuracy in what you just said, and it’s not even the issue.

granting your media rights is needed to get conference to be able to negotiate a tv contract. Period

The issue was its length which was insane and done to get th ACC network but still three were horrible in negotiating that
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What's inaccurate about it? The top schools in the conference were rumored to be looking around during Big Ten expansion, so ESPN wanted an absurd GOR term and the top schools accepted it. Blake James was celebrating the deal when he should have been doing anything in his power to get out of the conference instead of locking in a deal in an inevitably changing landscape. Poor foresight by Clemson, FSU and Miami. The rest of the schools in the ACC raced to sign that GOR.
 
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Ispyin said:
There’s not one part of accuracy in what you just said, and it’s not even the issue.

granting your media rights is needed to get conference to be able to negotiate a tv contract. Period

The issue was its length which was insane and done to get th ACC network but still three were horrible in negotiating that
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And the answer to the question is that a GOR with the ACC was our only option (same for everyone else). The B1G wasn't talking about expanding to Florida (or South Carolina, North Carolina, etc.) and the SEC made it clear they had no need for any of the ACC schools at that time. Times have changed. The next television negotiations could lead to more expansion, but it's got to be a huge offer and the present expansion has to actually work for the existing schools in the conferences. I think someone will move, but that's just speculation. And please don't fall for anything that the idiots on x say is a done deal, there aren't any yet.
 
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