A Few Guys Arguing Non-Stop [F/K/A "Let’s check on Lane Kiffen"]

[Rellyrell]

Understood but if lane was doing what freeze was his classes would be even higher.

How many 5 stars did freeze get because of violations? Lane isnt getting that same benefit.

That’s true, but he did have those 5* at USC.

Here’s y I’m iffy on Lane as a HC:

Lane is now 34-32 against teams who finished the season +.500. If I were to include only his tenure as a P5 HC, he’s 24-27 (this includes FCS teams who finished +.500). Mario is a sub .500 coach against teams who finished +.500; however, if I were to isolate his time as a P5 HC only, he’s 19-15 against teams who finished +.500 (this includes FCS teams who finished +.500)

Kiffin is a wonderful OC, I won’t dispute that, but he leaves a lot on the table as a HC at this level. What I find ironic is that now at two stops (SC & Ole Miss), 1st yr was a struggle, 2nd yr yielded 10 wins, & then immediately yr 3 yielded 8 wins. So the ? is will yr 4 be the same as it was at SC or will he guide Ole Miss to a 9+ win season?

 

[crossover22[]_[]]

That’s true, but he did have those 5* at USC.

Here’s y I’m iffy on Lane as a HC:

Lane is now 34-32 against teams who finished the season +.500. If I were to include only his tenure as a P5 HC, he’s 24-27 (this includes FCS teams who finished +.500). Mario is a sub .500 coach against teams who finished +.500; however, if I were to isolate his time as a P5 HC only, he’s 19-15 against teams who finished +.500 (this includes FCS teams who finished +.500)

Kiffin is a wonderful OC, I won’t dispute that, but he leaves a lot on the table as a HC at this level. What I find ironic is that now at two stops (SC & Ole Miss), 1st yr was a struggle, 2nd yr yielded 10 wins, & then immediately yr 3 yielded 8 wins. So the ? is will yr 4 be the same as it was at SC or will he guide Ole Miss to a 9+ win season?

Solid post.

I think we factor in destinations differently. Mario was at oregon. Lane is at ole miss. Oregon is a top tier pac school while ole miss is a mid tier sec school. Lane plays a much tougher schedule with less talent.

Im not saying lane is perfect. I dont think there is a better fit for miami than lane kiffin. Just hear me out. Miami was about trash talk and punking teams. Lane has that energy. South Florida WRs, RBs, and QBs would love his offense. I want that old school miami **** talking vibe back.

Mario on the other hand will never field a great offense UNLESS he is willing to change. We arent going to out talent Clemson. What i love about mario is his recruiting. Yes our talent level will rise and put us at an advantage in the acc but you have to score.

You talked about 8 million earlier. Personally i dont think mario is worth close to that. We are lazy as **** when it comes to hiring. Pay someone like lincoln riley that much. Why rhe miami connection? Other than golden its always a miami guy. Our most successful coaches werent miami guys.

In my opinion we need a coach that gives a Xs and Os advantage. I would personally give lane a chance before mario but hey it aint my decision.

 

[Rellyrell]

Solid post.

I think we factor in destinations differently. Mario was at oregon. Lane is at ole miss. Oregon is a top tier pac school while ole miss is a mid tier sec school. Lane plays a much tougher schedule with less talent.

Im not saying lane is perfect. I dont think there is a better fit for miami than lane kiffin. Just hear me out. Miami was about trash talk and punking teams. Lane has that energy. South Florida WRs, RBs, and QBs would love his offense. I want that old school miami **** talking vibe back.

Mario on the other hand will never field a great offense UNLESS he is willing to change. We arent going to out talent Clemson. What i love about mario is his recruiting. Yes our talent level will rise and put us at an advantage in the acc but you have to score.

You talked about 8 million earlier. Personally i dont think mario is worth close to that. We are lazy as **** when it comes to hiring. Pay someone like lincoln riley that much. Why rhe miami connection? Other than golden its always a miami guy. Our most successful coaches werent miami guys.

In my opinion we need a coach that gives a Xs and Os advantage. I would personally give lane a chance before mario but hey it aint my decision.

Yeah, & honestly I shared this w/ another poster privately:

I’m not sure of any successful OL coach who became a HC. OL coaches tend to be tough & gritty b/c that’s all they know, but X’s & O’s? Their teams tend to be good based upon hires.

That’s y I had some reservations on him coming here, but I was cool w/ it b/c UO’s O, while not elite, was very good while he was a HC. What we saw was nothing short of a Time Machine back to the concept of football back in the 1800s! It was disgusting & it wasn’t fun. I know we had some talent issues; I’ve constantly ?’d Richt’s & Diaz’s evaluations. With that being said, & as I said throughout the season, it’s still inexcusable in today’s CFB to go that long w/o seeing the end zone.

Mario’s only saving grace is his support & this uncanny ability to recruit, but pls trust me, I’m not naive towards his deficiencies, & if that staff change doesn’t change….the hoodie will be all the down over my eyes again. Mopeyrell will be in full effect.

 

[crossover22[]_[]]

Yeah, & honestly I shared this w/ another poster privately:

I’m not sure of any successful OL coach who became a HC. OL coaches tend to be tough & gritty b/c that’s all they know, but X’s & O’s? Their teams tend to be good based upon hires.

That’s y I had some reservations on him coming here, but I was cool w/ it b/c UO’s O, while not elite, was very good while he was a HC. What we saw was nothing short of a Time Machine back to the concept of football back in the 1800s! It was disgusting & it wasn’t fun. I know we had some talent issues; I’ve constantly ?’d Richt’s & Diaz’s evaluations. With that being said, & as I said throughout the season, it’s still inexcusable in today’s CFB to go that long w/o seeing the end zone.

Mario’s only saving grace is his support & this uncanny ability to recruit, but pls trust me, I’m not naive towards his deficiencies, & if that staff change doesn’t change….the hoodie will be all the down over my eyes again. Mopeyrell will be in full effect.

**** yea dude.

I just know what miami can be. Especially when we are innovative. This old school offense aint it man. It wont work no matter how much talent you bring in.

Defenses are too fast in modern football for that. You might get a 9 or 10 win season with elite talent. Thats the ceiling though. You gotta score points. This isnt iowa. Let south Florida kids fly.

 

[Rellyrell]

**** yea dude.

I just know what miami can be. Especially when we are innovative. This old school offense aint it man. It wont work no matter how much talent you bring in.

Defenses are too fast in modern football for that. You might get a 9 or 10 win season with elite talent. Thats the ceiling though. You gotta score points. This isnt iowa. Let south Florida kids fly.

But I’m legit also worried about the defense, too. I’ve rewatched the MTSU, Clemson, UNC, & FSU games no lie at least 3x (and sadly, I’ve re-watched MTSU 6x). The defense we call is very bland, & that bend don’t break chit gotta go. Gattis is 1st, but dammit if that Defensive side needs some tweaking.

 

[crossover22[]_[]]

But I’m legit also worried about the defense, too. I’ve rewatched the MTSU, Clemson, UNC, & FSU gamesc no lie at least 3x (and sadly, I’ve re-watched MTSU 6x). The defense we call is very bland, & that bend don’t break chit gotta go. Gattis is 1st, but dammit if that Defensive side need some tweaking.

Dude i never liked the steele hire. I blasted the hire actually.

Being honest i think both should go but **** it would look bad to fire both coordinators after a year.

We are adding alot of talent on defense but its all young talent. Mistakes will be made.

We are paying high end coordinator money. Mario missed the guys he wanted. We can do much better than what we got.

 

[Rellyrell]

Dude i never liked the steele hire. I blasted the hire actually.

Being honest i think both should go but **** it would look bad to fire both coordinators after a year.

We are adding alot of talent on defense but its all young talent. Mistakes will be made.

We are paying high end coordinator money. Mario missed the guys he wanted. We can do much better than what we got.

Yeah; I thought Gattis was going to be good since he said he wanted to run a power spread.

I gave Steele a chance, and even defended him when ppl brought up his Clemson tenure (although in the back of my mind, I thought the same)

Imma give a person a chance kind of a person, even if my gut says otherwise. I let ppl show me who they r. Steele showed me he’s incapable to keep up w/ modern football, & Gattis showed me the inability to adjust.

What u just said is the problem; firing 2 coordinators after 1 yr doesn’t look good, but I’m tired of trying to be the nice guys. This is a cut throat business. I wouldn’t have been upset if we lost games like 45-42 or even 23-20…we lost games 17-9, 45-31, 45-3, 40-10, 42-16…while winning games 20-14, & 14-12 in fcking 4 OTs!! (Sorry I just digressed there)

So we had an issue scoring AND stopping. I’ve watched a lot of football at all levels, & I’ve yet to see a successful team that can’t score or play defense, despite talent or lack thereof.

 

[crossover22[]_[]]

Yeah; I thought Gattis was going to be good since he said he wanted to run a power spread.

I gave Steele a chance, and even defended him when ppl brought up his Clemson tenure (although in the back of my mind, I thought the same)

Imma give a person a chance kind of a person, even if my gut says otherwise. I let ppl show me who they r. Steele showed me he’s incapable to keep up w/ modern football, & Gattis showed me the inability to adjust.

What u just said is the problem; firing 2 coordinators after 1 yr doesn’t look good, but I’m tired of trying to be the nice guys. This is a cut throat business. I wouldn’t have been upset if we lost games like 45-42 or even 23-20…we lost games 17-9, 45-31, 45-3, 40-10, 42-16…while winning games 20-14, & 14-12 in fcking 4 OTs!! (Sorry I just digressed there)

So we had an issue scoring AND stopping. I’ve watched a lot of football at all levels, & I’ve yet to see a successful team that can’t score or play defense, despite talent or lack thereof.

Lmfao! Yea sucking on offense and being average at best on defense aint winning football games.

We got killed a bunch this year and gave up 40 alot of times. That is garbage.

Give steele one more and if it ain't a top 30 defense he needs to go. Gattis needs to get the **** out like yesterday.

 

[Rellyrell]

Lmfao! Yea sucking on offense and being average at best on defense aint winning football games.

We got killed a bunch this year and gave up 40 alot of times. That is garbage.

Give steele one more and if it ain't a top 30 defense he needs to go. Gattis needs to get the **** out like yesterday.

I can give Steele a pass, b/c that side of the ball has been wooooooooof for the past couple of seasons pre-Steele, but Gattis?? Brotha, we avg 16.1 ppg in 9 P5 games. Let me say that again: We played 9 games against P5 teams, scored 145 points, total, in those games avg. 16.1 points. That’s two TDs over 60 minutes or 18 TDs in 540 minutes worth of football!

We avg. 335 ypg in these games; maybe if this was 1990 or the early 2000’s, this would be acceptable. In today’s game, that would be 108th in the country.

This + many other factors is y Gattis must go, NOW! This is not strictly a talent issue when ur offense is this inept. This is coaching & preparation.

 

[OldhamA]

Solid post.

I think we factor in destinations differently. Mario was at oregon. Lane is at ole miss. Oregon is a top tier pac school while ole miss is a mid tier sec school. Lane plays a much tougher schedule with less talent.

Im not saying lane is perfect. I dont think there is a better fit for miami than lane kiffin. Just hear me out. Miami was about trash talk and punking teams. Lane has that energy. South Florida WRs, RBs, and QBs would love his offense. I want that old school miami **** talking vibe back.

Mario on the other hand will never field a great offense UNLESS he is willing to change. We arent going to out talent Clemson. What i love about mario is his recruiting. Yes our talent level will rise and put us at an advantage in the acc but you have to score.

You talked about 8 million earlier. Personally i dont think mario is worth close to that. We are lazy as **** when it comes to hiring. Pay someone like lincoln riley that much. Why rhe miami connection? Other than golden its always a miami guy. Our most successful coaches werent miami guys.

In my opinion we need a coach that gives a Xs and Os advantage. I would personally give lane a chance before mario but hey it aint my decision.

Why aren't we going to out-talent Clemson?

 

[crossover22[]_[]]

Why aren't we going to out-talent Clemson?

We cant score or stop enough. No matter how much talent.

 

[Rellyrell]

Why aren't we going to out-talent Clemson?

In fairness, we couldn’t out talent Duke, MTSU, or Pitt.

And I’m well aware of our “talent” as I’ve been one the foremost voices critical of it, but we still had more than enough to beat those teams, ESPECIALLY MTSU.

 

[KrazyCane]

Lmfao you Lane Kiffin groupies are an embarrassment

 

[KrazyCane]

Hes miles ahead of Mario...

Lol your sexual fantasies are making you delusional

 

[gogeta4]

Again, I'm going to make this simple.

First of all, and with all due respect, YOU ARE FULL OF ****E on the 12 HS/JC signees having ANYTHING to do with transfers, as this is a "NO IC" year. Are you ******* kidding me, Ole Miss is the ONLY school in the Power Five that can't figure out how to sign HS kids AND go after transfers? Surely you must be joking.

Second of all, I don't care how many kids are in the Portal, they aren't all good. And I don't give a ****e if Ole Miss loads up on another 10 Portal kids, as long as they suck, that's when I'll laugh.

The REASON that Kiffin may not be able to pull a rabbit out of the Portal hat for two years in a row is NOT "5 million kids in the portal", it's because EVERY OTHER SCHOOL is making this a priority now, including Clemson and Dabo "I'm not going to take any 2022 Portal kids" Swinney.

It doesn't matter HOW MANY players are in the Portal, it makes a difference what the QUALITY is. And if Bama and UGa and Clemson (and even Florida, by the numbers) are out there battling for the best Portal players, then maybe JUST MAYBE Kiffin will not be as successful in 2023 as he was in 2022.

Miami currently has the 17th best Portal class - WITH FOUR GUYS. Miami happens to have one of the highest AVERAGE classes. And that ONLY means something if we can then sign another 10 Portal guys (approximately) at a similar average rating level. Regardless, if Miami is 17th with 4 guys (so far) and Ole Miss is 13th with 6 guys (so far), I like Miami's chances to finish ahead of Ole Miss.

Do I think Kiffin will award 85 scholarships this year? Sure. Will the quality level be the same? Who knows.

But I DO KNOW that if he keeps cutting his number of HS signees, he is going to run into some major problems when he DOESN'T get lucky in the Portal every single year in a row.

Carry on, I'm just suuuuuuure that Kiffin is going to pull in another 10-15 greeeeat Portal transfers, after all, there's no competition at all for the best talent...

Do you with your mind think that he couldnt sign more than 12 hs kids?. Keep in mind thats for ESD...we still have the regular NSD in February

1.) He beat Mario in the portal JUST last year..beat him out for a wr kid that we essentially needed.

The funny thing is....you said all that....but we likely have more PORTAL needs than they do and your expecting quality for us i bet. lol.

I dont even know why your going off of PORTAL RANKINGS...I dont even look at that you go for needs and fits. i dont care what our portal ranking is....just the guys we get ..our they starter level or play their role.

If you feel you know his roster composition better than he himself does well ill be ****. lol

 

[gogeta4]

His ole miss avg looks to be around 21 (excluding this year since it's not finished). Ole miss avg for the three years prior to Kiffen was around 28 (just giving some context to the ole Miss numbers).

The fact that the FAU ranking was added lets you know what he was tryin to do with skewing it toward his favor.

We are obviously talking about POWER 5 recruiting since no Group of 5 likely ever hits the top 25 in recruiting.

 

[gogeta4]

This is what a lot of guys around here don't get. The teams that are offense-only don't win titles. That's why the Leach stuff was always so bizarre.

Alot of teams with the explosive, wide open offenses are the teams playing with a talent disparity majority of the time...so schematically is where they get their edges....which will tend to be on offense.

At a place like Miami im sure Mike Leach would have found a way to make Greg Rousseau not get sacks and JoJO Kinchens not get ints.

Its pretty simple here.....i mean @DMoney and i have been saying this for over 10 years now...just WIN....the kids will come. Stack 9+ win szns and show up in big games and voila...its sad we couldnt do even that on a consistant basis because of lack of coaching /development.

As good as a recruiter Mario is...not a ****** soul other than 2 lay ups at wr and an unheralded qb wanted to sign to play for him. Its cause of his sh*tty offense. Even getting something out of the portal appears to gnna be a daunted task.

 

[TaylorWalls]

Alot of teams with the explosive, wide open offenses are the teams playing with a talent disparity majority of the time...so schematically is where they get their edges....which will tend to be on offense.

At a place like Miami im sure Mike Leach would have found a way to make Greg Rousseau not get sacks and JoJO Kinchens not get ints.

Its pretty simple here.....i mean @DMoney and i have been saying this for over 10 years now...just WIN....the kids will come. Stack 9+ win szns and show up in big games and voila...its sad we couldnt do even that on a consistant basis because of lack of coaching /development.

As good as a recruiter Mario is...not a ****** soul other than 2 lay ups at wr and an unheralded qb wanted to sign to play for him. Its cause of his sh*tty offense. Even getting something out of the portal appears to gnna be a daunted task.

So we agree that teams that only focus on offense - like a Leach or Kiffin team - don't win titles.

 

[Rellyrell]

The fact that the FAU ranking was added lets you know what he was tryin to do with skewing it toward his favor.

We are obviously talking about POWER 5 recruiting since no Group of 5 likely ever hits the top 25 in recruiting.

Yeah, even I wouldn’t include FAU recruiting. Lol. Chit, if we included FIU recruiting, Mario’s avg. class would be in the 50’s! Lol, & we know he’s a beast recruiter. Maybe if Kiffin or Cristobal was recruiting at UC, SMU, SDSU or some traditional solid G5 program we could include that ranking, but definitely not G5 programs that’s bordering FCS level.

 

[gogeta4]

So we agree that teams that only focus on offense - like a Leach or Kiffin team - don't win titles.

How df you know what Lane Kiffin only focuses on?.

Yall just move goal post. Ole Miss has a familiar name i wouldnt mind bringing down here right now as a coach on staff **** both of their co dc's i like.