8/9/13 Depth Chart

[Picksix]

I don't dislike Shayon and I think he'll have a role, but if Gilbert can play and some of these other transfers (Kamalu, Renfrow) can play then we're going to see Shayon less and less.

Again, Shayon led the defense in tackles last year and has been in the system for three years. You may not think Green deserves PT but the coaches obviously feel different. Gilbert hasn't even had a practice yet and you claim he's going to step on campus and take his job?

Green is poised to have just as good of a season as any player on the defense right now. **** just a few days ago Armbrister was a JAG and if he was in the lineup the defense was in bad shape. Let the coaches coach these players up and the depth chart will work itself out. We fans have no clue whats going on behind the scenes.

Would you shut up?

I never said Gilbert would step on campus and take his job. But if Gilbert comes in and proves he's ready to play then I guarantee you we'll see less Shayon Green.

You STFU! All you do is flap your wrists on this board. You talked smack about Shayon and said when Gilbert gets on campus he'll take Shayons PT. Now you guarantee we'll see less of Shayon. This is the same Gilbert that is battling injury and hasn't had a single practice.

Shayon led the defense in tackles and is a captain of this team. He's actually participating in practices and listed on the roster. Your guarantee means jack**** right now.

Lunatic,

Show me where I talked smack about Shayon. And stop repeating yourself you sound like some sort of maniac parrot.

Show me where I blah blah blah... Figured your ignorant *** would say this BS. You guarantee when Gilbert gets on the field Shayon won't be playing as much. Yeah you're not implying that Shayon isn't any good. Let me guess, you're just keeping it real?

I will repeat it again because it isn't sinking in. Gilbert isn't even practicing yet. Get it? Understand? Shayon led the defense in tackles last year and it was his first real year of playing because he was overcoming injuries "multiple". Get it? Until Gilbert is cleared to practice and actually contribute your guarantee means jack****!

 

[rok]

I'm of the opinion that Chick can do what Shayon is asked to do. He might not be as athletic as you'd like a WDE to be but he's proven to be a better pass rusher than Shayon.

 

[rok]

Again, Shayon led the defense in tackles last year and has been in the system for three years. You may not think Green deserves PT but the coaches obviously feel different. Gilbert hasn't even had a practice yet and you claim he's going to step on campus and take his job?

Green is poised to have just as good of a season as any player on the defense right now. **** just a few days ago Armbrister was a JAG and if he was in the lineup the defense was in bad shape. Let the coaches coach these players up and the depth chart will work itself out. We fans have no clue whats going on behind the scenes.

Would you shut up?

I never said Gilbert would step on campus and take his job. But if Gilbert comes in and proves he's ready to play then I guarantee you we'll see less Shayon Green.

You STFU! All you do is flap your wrists on this board. You talked smack about Shayon and said when Gilbert gets on campus he'll take Shayons PT. Now you guarantee we'll see less of Shayon. This is the same Gilbert that is battling injury and hasn't had a single practice.

Shayon led the defense in tackles and is a captain of this team. He's actually participating in practices and listed on the roster. Your guarantee means jack**** right now.

Lunatic,

Show me where I talked smack about Shayon. And stop repeating yourself you sound like some sort of maniac parrot.

Show me where I blah blah blah... Figured your ignorant *** would say this BS. You guarantee when Gilbert gets on the field Shayon won't be playing as much. Yeah you're not implying that Shayon isn't any good. Let me guess, you're just keeping it real?

I will repeat it again because it isn't sinking in. Gilbert isn't even practicing yet. Get it? Understand? Shayon led the defense in tackles last year and it was his first real year of playing because he was overcoming injuries "multiple". Get it? Until Gilbert is cleared to practice and actually contribute your guarantee means jack****!

Stop. repeating. yourself.

 

[Picksix]

Would you shut up?

I never said Gilbert would step on campus and take his job. But if Gilbert comes in and proves he's ready to play then I guarantee you we'll see less Shayon Green.

You STFU! All you do is flap your wrists on this board. You talked smack about Shayon and said when Gilbert gets on campus he'll take Shayons PT. Now you guarantee we'll see less of Shayon. This is the same Gilbert that is battling injury and hasn't had a single practice.

Shayon led the defense in tackles and is a captain of this team. He's actually participating in practices and listed on the roster. Your guarantee means jack**** right now.

Lunatic,

Show me where I talked smack about Shayon. And stop repeating yourself you sound like some sort of maniac parrot.

Show me where I blah blah blah... Figured your ignorant *** would say this BS. You guarantee when Gilbert gets on the field Shayon won't be playing as much. Yeah you're not implying that Shayon isn't any good. Let me guess, you're just keeping it real?

I will repeat it again because it isn't sinking in. Gilbert isn't even practicing yet. Get it? Understand? Shayon led the defense in tackles last year and it was his first real year of playing because he was overcoming injuries "multiple". Get it? Until Gilbert is cleared to practice and actually contribute your guarantee means jack****!

Stop. repeating. yourself.

Yeah... that's what I thought

 

[rok]

You STFU! All you do is flap your wrists on this board. You talked smack about Shayon and said when Gilbert gets on campus he'll take Shayons PT. Now you guarantee we'll see less of Shayon. This is the same Gilbert that is battling injury and hasn't had a single practice.

Shayon led the defense in tackles and is a captain of this team. He's actually participating in practices and listed on the roster. Your guarantee means jack**** right now.

Lunatic,

Show me where I talked smack about Shayon. And stop repeating yourself you sound like some sort of maniac parrot.

Show me where I blah blah blah... Figured your ignorant *** would say this BS. You guarantee when Gilbert gets on the field Shayon won't be playing as much. Yeah you're not implying that Shayon isn't any good. Let me guess, you're just keeping it real?

I will repeat it again because it isn't sinking in. Gilbert isn't even practicing yet. Get it? Understand? Shayon led the defense in tackles last year and it was his first real year of playing because he was overcoming injuries "multiple". Get it? Until Gilbert is cleared to practice and actually contribute your guarantee means jack****!

Stop. repeating. yourself.

Yeah... that's what I thought

We're all rooting for your son, Mr. Green.

 

[Picksix]

Lunatic,

Show me where I talked smack about Shayon. And stop repeating yourself you sound like some sort of maniac parrot.

Show me where I blah blah blah... Figured your ignorant *** would say this BS. You guarantee when Gilbert gets on the field Shayon won't be playing as much. Yeah you're not implying that Shayon isn't any good. Let me guess, you're just keeping it real?

I will repeat it again because it isn't sinking in. Gilbert isn't even practicing yet. Get it? Understand? Shayon led the defense in tackles last year and it was his first real year of playing because he was overcoming injuries "multiple". Get it? Until Gilbert is cleared to practice and actually contribute your guarantee means jack****!

Stop. repeating. yourself.

Yeah... that's what I thought

We're all rooting for your son, Mr. Green.

Rooting for Shayon to get less reps from a player who isn't even on the roster yet now makes him my son? Cute...

 

[LuCane]

No mas. The rest goes to PM, please.

 

[UMcanesfan420]

Even after Deon had all kinds of game experience as a freshman starting, he himself and the coaches said he was making alot mental errors. But yeah, Jamal Carter should already be able to beat out a senior. Jeez. Have some patience people.


Bush hasn't even played yet but I guess the coaches should rush him back and risk further injury so some of you guys can feel better about the August 9th ******* depth chart.


And the DL will be a roatation once Gilbert gets in so I don't worry if Green is starting or whatever. Plus, maybe he improved some along with Chick.


The biggest thing is Luther Robinson demanding a spot. If this continues having that DL unit with Pierre at DE could be a huge factor against a run heavy Gator team.

 

[rok]

I'm just here to talk Canes football meng

 

[rok]

This DL has the potential to be a pretty mature group.

Porter, Pierre, Luther, Kamalu, Renfrow, Gilbert, Chick, Shayon, Cain. Grown *** men and not the boys we threw out there last year.

 

[LuCane]

This DL has the potential to be a pretty mature group.

Porter, Pierre, Luther, Kamalu, Renfrow, Gilbert, Chick, Shayon, Cain. Grown *** men and not the boys we threw out there last year.

Yep. Just the additions of Gilbert and Renfrow would change things. Last year, we had Gabe Terry and Mccord setting the edge at times. They averaged like 208 pounds.

2 players still need to step up from Mccord, Hoilett, AQM.

 

[Dynasty]

Hopefully this means that when Chick comes back he will supplant Shayon and we can have the best four DL on the field.

That's not how this defense is built and I don't think that's what that depth chart indicates. I think it's pretty clear they're building specific roles for a broader plan. We may not now or ever be a 3-4 defense, but there are a good amount of examples in there that signal we will have some clear elements of that framework.

The most important takeaway from that depth chart is that we're going to throw a lot of different looks out there. I'm not saying that's necessarily good or bad with a defense that hasn't shown to be successful, but it's what it looks like we're doing.

Good post. Since Golden arrived in Coral Gables I've had the feeling that he wants to base out of a 3-4 look, but didn't have to personnel to implement it. An issue is that UM won't face too many two back formations during the course of a game or season, so basing out of a 3-4 isn't really of great importance, IMO. It's about sub-packaging going forward..defining personnel groupings and specific roles. Even if that includes base groupings using odd and even fronts. I'm of the opinion that multiple groupings upfront could be a positive thing providing we get consistent play. Each group has a specific role. I wouldn't want to see too many groupings in the secondary as that tends to lead to breakdowns and communication issues.

 

[DiegoCane]

This DL has the potential to be a pretty mature group.

Porter, Pierre, Luther, Kamalu, Renfrow, Gilbert, Chick, Shayon, Cain. Grown *** men and not the boys we threw out there last year.

Hamilton has looked good in the practice vids as well

 

[LuCane]

Hopefully this means that when Chick comes back he will supplant Shayon and we can have the best four DL on the field.

That's not how this defense is built and I don't think that's what that depth chart indicates. I think it's pretty clear they're building specific roles for a broader plan. We may not now or ever be a 3-4 defense, but there are a good amount of examples in there that signal we will have some clear elements of that framework.

The most important takeaway from that depth chart is that we're going to throw a lot of different looks out there. I'm not saying that's necessarily good or bad with a defense that hasn't shown to be successful, but it's what it looks like we're doing.

Good post. Since Golden arrived in Coral Gables I've had the feeling that he wants to base out of a 3-4 look, but didn't have to personnel to implement it. An issue is that UM won't face too many two back formations during the course of a game or season, so basing out of a 3-4 isn't really of great importance, IMO. It's about sub-packaging going forward..defining personnel groupings and specific roles. Even if that includes base groupings using odd and even fronts. I'm of the opinion that multiple groupings upfront could be a positive thing providing we get consistent play. Each group has a specific role. I wouldn't want to see too many groupings in the secondary as that tends to lead to breakdowns and communication issues.

The issue, of course, then becomes how this is really only phase 2 of the implementation. It means we're going to still tip our hand a lot based on the personnel groupings. Last year, you could pretty much tell what we were looking to do based on who was out there. We simply didn't have that many options. As Golden recruits more and more talented guys with varied skillsets (think AQM or Chad Thomas, who could set the edge or pop off of it), we'll presumably see another leap in effectiveness.

 

[LuCane]

This DL has the potential to be a pretty mature group.

Porter, Pierre, Luther, Kamalu, Renfrow, Gilbert, Chick, Shayon, Cain. Grown *** men and not the boys we threw out there last year.

Hamilton has looked good in the practice vids as well

They seem to be grooming him to play that Luther Robinson role - which is probably closer to what Baraka Atkins played here at the end of his career. Versatile DT. We could probably make an entirely new thread on how this depth chart gives some indications of what Dynasty said he wanted to see: elements of a 3-3-5 defense to match the speed of spread formations we often see. Last year, we got smoked by virtually any spread formation.

 

[rok]

This DL has the potential to be a pretty mature group.

Porter, Pierre, Luther, Kamalu, Renfrow, Gilbert, Chick, Shayon, Cain. Grown *** men and not the boys we threw out there last year.

Hamilton has looked good in the practice vids as well

I fully expect him to be in the mix. I'm just excited that we're not depending on teenagers do the jobs of men.

 

[zone3cane]

I dont think many of the people in this thread understand what the term "JAG" means.

JAG=Just Another Guy

Shayon Green is the ultimate JAG. Unfortunately, many of the upperclassmen on our roster would be lucky to be given the term JAG.

smh guys like you on this board who love labeling UM players "JAGS" get on my nerves..... that's your opinion, you dont control what somebody is or isnt, clown.

Most of the upperclassmen on this roster, currently, by your definition arent JAGS by the way...

Seniors

S. Morris, Mo Hagens, Ed Clements, A. Hurns, S. Henderson, B. Linder, C. Porter, L. Robinson, and J. Gaines are all very good players, far from being a JAG.

J. Wheeler, S. Green, K. Cain, and Dyron Dye are above average players, not JAGs... Green bust his *** off and made plays when nobody else on the d-line was doing it.

New comers Pat O'Donnel and D. Gilbdert are very good players as well.

Kc Rogers, AJ Highsmith, and Ty Cornelius are the only JAGs I see out of the Senior class by your definition.

Juniors

Ry. Williams, R. Scott, P. Dorsett, C. Walford, S. McDermott, J. Feliciano, M. Bunche, B. Sandland on offense arent JAGS so i still dont know what the **** you are talking about.

A. Chickillo, O. Pierre, D. Perryman, L. Gunter, and T. Armbrister aren JAGS so again wtf are you talking about??

David Perry is the only JAG i can think of in the junior class....

so really who are all these upperclassmen that are JAGS or are "lucky" enough to be JAGS???

Zone, that's a good post and furthers the discussion, except there's no need to use the "clown" at the end. Come on, bruh. That small difference makes a big difference to how threads devolve. Tryin' to make this work for all parties.

you right i removed it.... i just take it personal when ppl keep dissing these players. Everybody on this team works hard.... just b/c you were a "Shannon recruit" doesnt mean you dont have talent.

 

[rok]

McCord seems perfectly suited to be the jack (or whatever we call it) in a 3-3-5

 

[dolewhipit18]

Am I the only one who would like to see Duke doing PR also? I know he is going to be a full-time back now and you dont want to get him injured/tired, but a guy like that needs the ball in his hands as often as possible IMO

 

[Dynasty]

Hopefully this means that when Chick comes back he will supplant Shayon and we can have the best four DL on the field.

That's not how this defense is built and I don't think that's what that depth chart indicates. I think it's pretty clear they're building specific roles for a broader plan. We may not now or ever be a 3-4 defense, but there are a good amount of examples in there that signal we will have some clear elements of that framework.

The most important takeaway from that depth chart is that we're going to throw a lot of different looks out there. I'm not saying that's necessarily good or bad with a defense that hasn't shown to be successful, but it's what it looks like we're doing.

Good post. Since Golden arrived in Coral Gables I've had the feeling that he wants to base out of a 3-4 look, but didn't have to personnel to implement it. An issue is that UM won't face too many two back formations during the course of a game or season, so basing out of a 3-4 isn't really of great importance, IMO. It's about sub-packaging going forward..defining personnel groupings and specific roles. Even if that includes base groupings using odd and even fronts. I'm of the opinion that multiple groupings upfront could be a positive thing providing we get consistent play. Each group has a specific role. I wouldn't want to see too many groupings in the secondary as that tends to lead to breakdowns and communication issues.

The issue, of course, then becomes how this is really only phase 2 of the implementation. It means we're going to still tip our hand a lot based on the personnel groupings. Last year, you could pretty much tell what we were looking to do based on who was out there. We simply didn't have that many options. As Golden recruits more and more talented guys with varied skillsets (think AQM or Chad Thomas, who could set the edge or pop off of it), we'll presumably see another leap in effectiveness.

The hybrid position DE/OLB hold the keys to future development and implementation. The Golden one is placing an emphasis on that type of player in recruiting. They will be the focal point of the defense moving forward, alone with an anchoring NT.

Ultimately, the success defensively will boil down to playing solid first down defense and getting off the field on third downs. If coach D can dictate favorable down and distance situations with sub-packages, and the defense as a whole can get off the field on third down, I don't think it matters with regards to tipping our hand. It all starts on first down, and we need to close out third down.