5 stars

[cubin10]

There is no response you can have, people who say stars don't matter are the one's who don't land the highly rated players. There is a reason that the teams who win are in the top 10 recruiting classes.

You can make all the excuses you want but until you can provide examples then there is no validity to your argument.

Why dob't you simply go and get coach Kools opinion on Star's, todays presser and add that to Diaz's.They have their opinion, you have yours and I have mine. You will never prove your point to me or many others, but you can love the stars and the people who choose them.

Well the facts speak for themselves. No team has won a NC in the last decade that didn't consistently have top 10 classes, could be farther back just didn't feel like looking.

You can have whatever opinion you want on stars, but those are the facts.

Those are your facts, you don't really have the actual facts and I have no intention of wasting my time. I believe contrary to what you believe simple as that. Like Gatorhater said you can give Al Golden all the 5 stars and that don't mean anything or you can simply listen to our coaches who share my opinion.

They're my facts? So you say I don't have facts and that you're not going to look them up but you tell yourself I'm making them up? Okay guy.

I'm pretty sure that great players can make subpar coaches look good, Cam Newton won a championship for Auburn and Gene Chizik is about on the same level as Golden.

Just because you believe something doesn't make it true, at some point in history people thought the earth was flat. I'll do your homework for you. I'll list the champion and their average recruiting ranking for the 4 years prior to them winning.


2015- Bama (1)
2014- Ohio St (4.25)
2013- FSU (5.75)
2012- Bama (2.25)
2011- Bama (2.75)
2010- Auburn (15.75)
2009- Bama (8.25)
2008- Florida (5.25)
2007- LSU (7.5)
2006- Florida (5)
2005- Texas (8)
2004- USC (8)
2003- LSU (11.75)
2002- Ohio St (6.3) Only 3 years of data to go on.

It has happened 2 times in the past 14 years where a team won the championship without averaging a top 10 class and in both of those cases the team had 2 years of top 10 classes.

So for people to say that stars don't matter, it's simply not true no matter how you try to spin it.

So you have done nothing less than prove it can and has been done. We will never agree, so let's just agree to disagree and continue to root for the Canes.

 

[DTP]

You don't win consistently without talent. Yes, every once in a while a mid major program can piece together a team of upstart 3 star players and make a run to a big bowl game and even upset a big dog or two. However, the teams that are consistently good year in and year out recruit the best players. Yes, some 5 star players bust and some 2* players turn out great but the number support the idea that stars do matter. Good coaches can improve mediocre players and bad coaches can ruin all stars but all things equal, the team with the better recruits usually wins. The numbers carry over to the NFL draft and success in the league too.

 

[canesthing3]

Hey hey hey what is going on here?

 

[omaha]

I just hope the coaches are watching full game tapes of any kid before they offer. I don't want the coaches to care about star ratings. Get the kids who have the speed, frame, and ability to play at a high level. The Star system can be elusive. A 3 star in Dade might be a 5 star at Millard West in Omaha. Traditional power house high schools mixed with traditional power house college interest is what drives the star system. You just can not watch 10,000 kids and measure them. The fans demand it at an early age so they give it to us. The Miami college coaches have to find Brian Edwards and decide that he is an ACC Corner. Call him a 2 star or a 5 star. Rumph has to coach him and Edwards has to produce. I think that is what many people are getting at when they say stars do not matter. We are not saying we want medium level talent. We are just saying we want the kids that are no brainers to be given offers and if it is a guy outside of SoFlo the kid better be really well thought of and not a Kehoe project.

 

[cubin10]

Hey hey hey what is going on here?

Star wars for star whores

 

[TP801]

Those golden 3 star butch like croots really worked out. that 2012 class he recruited was a gem. the best players and only kids drafted from that class where

Deon Bush-high 4 star
Duke Johnson-very high 4 star/5 star on a site or two
Erick Flowers-High 4 star

Out of 33 kids signed, 32 enrolled, only 3 where drafted and they where some of the highest rated players in the class. lol stars right? That Amari Cooper guy a lot of people on here called a south florida diva, etc... while they where rooting for Gluteno and worshipping him. High 4 star, golden missed in and couldn't get to commit.

Anthony Chickillo and Phillip Dorsett where the only two kids drafted out of the 2011 class. Chickilllo was the highest rated player in that class. Dorsett was a 4 star on a site or two and seems to have had some pretty decent offers.

Brad Kaaya-High 4 star
Joe Yearby-High 4 star
Muhammad-High 4 star
Walton-High 4 star
Stacy Coley-High 4 star
Artie Burns(1st round draft pick)-High 4 star
Corn Elder-4 Star
Jermaine Grace-4 star on a few sites/High 3 star
Chad Thomas-5 star
David Njoku-3 star
Trevor Darling-High 4 star


Hmmm. Also have to look at the offer lists of quite a few of these kids, and which schools they have legit offers from. Alot of kids claim offers from places like bama, fsu, ohio state, Miami and they really dont have offers.

 

[Republicane]

All of you star whores need to ask Larry Coker how that 5-star thing worked out for him. We were stacked with 5-star players under his regime and produced mediocre results with his classes. Bottom line is that you need talented savages that are hungry and are dogs. You take those dogs and you train them to be killers on the field. That's where coaching comes in. I'll take a talented, hungry 3 or 4-star savage all day over an entitled 5-star. Especially if their position coach is named Kuligowski.

Lets ask Nick Saban, Jimbo Fisher and Urban Myer how the 5 star thing is working out for them. We could ask Pete Carroll how it worked out for him at USC.

Saban, Meyer and Carroll are the best coaches of this era with great coaching staffs. Only reason that Jimbob won the natty is because Winston won him the title by bailing them out late in games time after time, even with a star studded, 5-star and 4-star filled roster. Bottom line is that elite coaching trumps stars all day.

Exactly. Give Urban Meyer Western Michigan's roster and he'd whip the **** out of 'Bama.