5 stars

[canes614]

Stars don't mean sh*t you still can be a bust if you're a 5*

If stars don't mean ****, how come Urban Meyer and Nick Saban recruit so many 4/5 stars?

Think about it.

We have several 4* kids dating back to 2013......thats 4 classes including ( 4* Lewis 2012) to field a great team....you can piece it together and develop a few diamonds in the rough.....you don't need a roster full of 5* to win it all..just develop some quality players out of each class....IMO

 

[cane since birth]

If Randy had a QB worth a **** he would've won the ACC

It's all about stacking talent

Golden couldn't get anyone to come here hopefully Richt can do better

You just said golden got thomas, howard and duke in your original post

 

[kryptonite]

Why are these people allowed to post?

 

[Astcloud11]

If stars don't mean ****, how come Urban Meyer and Nick Saban recruit so many 4/5 stars?

Think about it.

Alabama's best WR in the championship game was a Walk on.

Stars are NOT irrelevant, but they also aren't accurate more than 60% of the time, meaning they can't be counted on.

They can be counted on, because it's all relative. Teams that land a higher percentage of blue chip recruits (4/5 star) are usually better than teams that don't.

So we can count on the correlation that getting elite prospects is going to work out more than not getting elite prospects.

Everyone gets defensive about this.

Teams usually win, then land recruits because they are winning.

Proper TEAM evaluations and knowing how much someone can or can't fit your scheme is much more important than what random guys in a room think of a recruit.

Star Ratings are supposedly based off where website scouts evaluate a player, and rate them off their production, athleticism, upside, frame, size, and projected draft round in the NFL.

Last year was the perfect example. Jawon Hamilton was rated the 124th best RB, and 1,768th best player in last years class, at 5'9 185 lb's (very similar to Duke Johnson). Amir Rasul was rated the 9th best RB, and 223 overall playr in last years class at 5'10 200 lb's. Amir Rasul is bigger and faster than Hamilton, and has a nice frame. Athleticism comparison can be argued but I haven't watch both of em enough to say which has the upper hand. Regardless, Hamilton was the best back in Dade county last year, while Rasul wasn't even honorable mention.

Rasul 132 carries - 767 yards
Hamilton 131 carries - 1259 yards

Both of their teams were in 8A, so they had 3 teams on both schedules, and the overall competition was similar. Bottom line is, Hamilton performed much better against the same teams and got rated over a thousand spots worse. Based off what?

"Proper TEAM evaluations and knowing how much someone can or can't fit your scheme is much more important than what random guys in a room think of a recruit."

It's not random guys. Even if you want to attack their credibility, it's not like the guys they rate high aren't in high demand. Corey Bender isn't some random dude by himself who thinks Alex Leatherwood is great. Jeudy, Smith, Carr, McFarland and whoever else Miami is after aren't machinations of websites. They are wanted by the programs who compete for national titles every year.

The Rasul/Hamilton comparison is selective.

The fact is 4/5 star players usually > Not 4/5 star players.

You're jumping over hurdles to get around that fact to rationalize something. It's not a knock to UM. It's just an objective fact.

I'm not saying all 4/5 stars are over rated. I'm not even saying most can be compared to lower rated players. The point I am making, is that your team doesn't need to be full of 4/5* players in order to win a National Championship. Do you need talented players? Yes. Are every talented player a 4/5*? No, because the scouts aren't 100% accurate, and it's extremely obvious that some players are rated lower than they should be. So saying what we can and can't do because players weren't thought of highly in high school by scouts, is absurd.

 

[pyhooya]

Oh look....a new "fan"

 

[Santana Sosa]

**** the stars!!! Once you step foot on campus they mean nothing!!!!

Soooo, you have seen our roster....and how we've played the last 12 years right? Stars don't matter to homers. For the most part, I don't even pay them anymind. But do you honestly think recruits dont? Stars don't matter? Look at every team who isn't Alabama, OSU, Oregon, FSU. Loaded with "star" talent, and winning. I'm not saying we need 3- 5 stars every year. The majority of all college studs are 4 stars....how many of those do we have? How many of them play like a 4 star?
Stars do matter, as a team. But as an individual, they are toss ups after 3 star ranking. But recruits flock to teams where they are either going to be the 5 star man, or on a stacked team of stars. (Tired of typing "stars")...so end point.

 

[daddacane]

Gerald Willis?

Absolutely Willis was a five star

 

[FlipT]

Its good to have 4/5 star players but your teams become great when you're redshirting those types of players.That is legitimate depth, which wins in football!

 

[Reshon52ap]

Yall trippen if yall think stars dont matter one things i can say is our 3 stars would be 4 stars in them other states for sure

 

[Plzwork4]

Stars don't mean sh*t you still can be a bust if you're a 5*

If stars don't mean ****, how come Urban Meyer and Nick Saban recruit so many 4/5 stars?

Think about it.

Alabama's best WR in the championship game was a Walk on.

Stars are NOT irrelevant, but they also aren't accurate more than 60% of the time, meaning they can't be counted on.

Where are you getting 60 percent from?

The only people who say stars don't matter are fans in denial. Fact is if we want to win championships we have to recruit way more 4/5 stars each class.

Look at Clemson's classes over the past 5 years and it makes sense why we looked physically outmatched. Look at FSU's recruiting and no wonder we haven't beaten them in years.

We need to stop recruiting like a top 30 team and start recruiting like a top 5 team IMO

Go ahead and look at FSPuke, what did all those stars do when we almost beat them 2 years in a row with the worst staff ever; furthermore ask Houston if all those stars mattered when they destroyed them.

When we almost beat them? Hahahahhaha. When we ALMOST beat them...

Your statement almost sounds intelligent.

 

[77cane]

Yet another new 2016 troll onboard!

 

[maurice3p]

I'll take a 4-star that's ****ed off about not getting his 5th star (I.e. Sam Bruce) over the 5-star guy.

I judge classes off of future NFL players. 2016 has 5 guys, at least, that will play on Sunday's.

 

[cane since birth]

I'll take a 4-star that's ****ed off about not getting his 5th star (I.e. Sam Bruce) over the 5-star guy.

I judge classes off of future NFL players. 2016 has 5 guys, at least, that will play on Sunday's.

With all due respect but thats kinda dumb you should be judging how well they do in college, who gives a sh¡t about the pros

 

[kryptonite]

Jesus, are you guys actually arguing that we should ignore stars? Fine, they aren't everything, but they are the best guess of a lot of people who know a lot about football. A five star kid is considered by almost every evaluator to be as close to a sure thing as you can get. Sure, he'll need to work hard and get good coaching, but WTF wouldn't you take him? Why would you scrounge for players who may or may not be good instead of getting as many (almost) sure things as you can. AND, as previously stated, TEAMS THAT WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS ALMOST ALWAYS HAVE THE MOST STARS.

 

[canes614]

Stars don't mean sh*t you still can be a bust if you're a 5*

If stars don't mean ****, how come Urban Meyer and Nick Saban recruit so many 4/5 stars?

Think about it.

Jesus, are you guys actually arguing that we should ignore stars? Fine, they aren't everything, but they are the best guess of a lot of people who know a lot about football. A five star kid is considered by almost every evaluator to be as close to a sure thing as you can get. Sure, he'll need to work hard and get good coaching, but WTF wouldn't you take him? Why would you scrounge for players who may or may not be good instead of getting as many (almost) sure things as you can. AND, as previously stated, TEAMS THAT WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS ALMOST ALWAYS HAVE THE MOST STARS.

True everyone wants a 4* and 5* class ...however '09 bama champs had one bigtime 5* Jones the other Scott was a bust....Ingram was from Michigan never offered ended up at bama. ...they had several peices from different classes along with good coaching....OSU was similar before Urban got there....Tressel built a solid program without all bigtime recruits....so before you can start to land them consistantly in every class..IMO..... you have to get your fair share while coaching up a few sleepers...in other words piece it together.

 

[TP801]

I'll take a 4-star that's ****ed off about not getting his 5th star (I.e. Sam Bruce) over the 5-star guy.

I judge classes off of future NFL players. 2016 has 5 guys, at least, that will play on Sunday's.

This. If you have 8 or 9 kids in one class that are draft picks. Pretty good class.

 

[NJshoreCane]

Stars don't mean sh*t you still can be a bust if you're a 5*

If stars don't mean ****, how come Urban Meyer and Nick Saban recruit so many 4/5 stars?

Think about it.

Alabama's best WR in the championship game was a Walk on.

Stars are NOT irrelevant, but they also aren't accurate more than 60% of the time, meaning they can't be counted on.

Clemson WR who burned Fitzpatrick a few times was a walk on as well.

 

[NutFumbler]

Which is why we had no business turning down a talent like JC Jackson. If you can't win enough recruiting battles then you have to go the West Virginia / Louisville / Nebraska route and take questionable types, kids with academic problems, etc

Or...we could just accept the state of the program too

 

[MetiSkeemz]

**** the stars!!! Once you step foot on campus they mean nothing!!!!

I didn't know there was anybody left who still believes that stars/recruiting rankings don't matter

Yeah. They meant SOOO much in the past draft


Said no analyst ever.


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[MetiSkeemz]

Stars don't mean sh*t you still can be a bust if you're a 5*

If stars don't mean ****, how come Urban Meyer and Nick Saban recruit so many 4/5 stars?

Think about it.

Alabama's best WR in the championship game was a Walk on.

Stars are NOT irrelevant, but they also aren't accurate more than 60% of the time, meaning they can't be counted on.

Where are you getting 60 percent from?

The only people who say stars don't matter are fans in denial. Fact is if we want to win championships we have to recruit way more 4/5 stars each class.

Look at Clemson's classes over the past 5 years and it makes sense why we looked physically outmatched. Look at FSU's recruiting and no wonder we haven't beaten them in years.

We need to stop recruiting like a top 30 team and start recruiting like a top 5 team IMO

Miami was STILL pullin in 4 star talent and we had a **** show for a coaching staff. Don't overlook that. We had a seriously under developed streak of NFL players. Like hmmmm former "5 star" Tracy Howard.