5 stars

[Marcelo2988]

**** the stars!!! Once you step foot on campus they mean nothing!!!!

I didn't know there was anybody left who still believes that stars/recruiting rankings don't matter

How many 5 star players did FSU have last year?

What did you guys win?

Lil brothaz

 

[Coach Macho]

Stars don't mean sh*t you still can be a bust if you're a 5*

If stars don't mean ****, how come Urban Meyer and Nick Saban recruit so many 4/5 stars?

Think about it.

Alabama's best WR in the championship game was a Walk on.

Stars are NOT irrelevant, but they also aren't accurate more than 60% of the time, meaning they can't be counted on.

They can be counted on, because it's all relative. Teams that land a higher percentage of blue chip recruits (4/5 star) are usually better than teams that don't.

So we can count on the correlation that getting elite prospects is going to work out more than not getting elite prospects.

Everyone gets defensive about this.

Teams usually win, then land recruits because they are winning.

Proper TEAM evaluations and knowing how much someone can or can't fit your scheme is much more important than what random guys in a room think of a recruit.

Star Ratings are supposedly based off where website scouts evaluate a player, and rate them off their production, athleticism, upside, frame, size, and projected draft round in the NFL.

Last year was the perfect example. Jawon Hamilton was rated the 124th best RB, and 1,768th best player in last years class, at 5'9 185 lb's (very similar to Duke Johnson). Amir Rasul was rated the 9th best RB, and 223 overall playr in last years class at 5'10 200 lb's. Amir Rasul is bigger and faster than Hamilton, and has a nice frame. Athleticism comparison can be argued but I haven't watch both of em enough to say which has the upper hand. Regardless, Hamilton was the best back in Dade county last year, while Rasul wasn't even honorable mention.

Rasul 132 carries - 767 yards
Hamilton 131 carries - 1259 yards

Both of their teams were in 8A, so they had 3 teams on both schedules, and the overall competition was similar. Bottom line is, Hamilton performed much better against the same teams and got rated over a thousand spots worse. Based off what?

Cause the rankings aren't about production, they're about potential.

Some of the most productive kids on the high school level aren't highly rated.

 

[FrancisSawyer]

I thought McDermott and Yearby were 5 stars on at least one site each?

IDK I'm just going by Barry Jackson's Sports Buzz....I read we only have 1 player left who is a 5 star and am like ****, how did we get to that point

Another guy whining about the supposedly low talent level. Look, there is plenty of talent on this team. What we need to do is stack elite talent moving forward. We are lacking in quality depth at a few positions but the cupboard is far from being empty.

To point to the fact that we have only one 5 star on the roster as if it was some damning piece of evidence proving we have no talent is beyond asinine. That's like having stacks and stacks of $50 bills then claiming you're broke because you only have 1 $100 bill in your pocket.

 

[svenben]

Irrelevant how many stars roster players had out of HS, what matters is how they have developed in college. Stars have more relevancy to recruiting.

Its 2016, stars matter. Have you see who took home the natty the last decade?

 

[cubin10]

Irrelevant how many stars roster players had out of HS, what matters is how they have developed in college. Stars have more relevancy to recruiting.

Its 2016, stars matter. Have you see who took home the natty the last decade?

Coach Diaz disagrees vehemently with you, but you are entitled to your star ***** opinion.

 

[nbrewer22]

Irrelevant how many stars roster players had out of HS, what matters is how they have developed in college. Stars have more relevancy to recruiting.

Its 2016, stars matter. Have you see who took home the natty the last decade?

Coach Diaz disagrees vehemently with you, but you are entitled to your star ***** opinion.

Name the last school who won a national championship without averaging a top 10 recruiting class. I'll wait, as I'm sure you will have to wait a while to find one.

Stars are not the end all be all and do not guarantee a championship, but if you don't have top recruiting classes you probably aren't going to win one.

It's not a coincidence that the national champion has come from the top 10 recruiting rankings for the longest time.

 

[CaneTheGaytors]

All of you star whores need to ask Larry Coker how that 5-star thing worked out for him. We were stacked with 5-star players under his regime and produced mediocre results with his classes. Bottom line is that you need talented savages that are hungry and are dogs. You take those dogs and you train them to be killers on the field. That's where coaching comes in. I'll take a talented, hungry 3 or 4-star savage all day over an entitled 5-star. Especially if their position coach is named Kuligowski.

 

[nbrewer22]

All of you star whores need to ask Larry Coker how that 5-star thing worked out for him. We were stacked with 5-star players under his regime and produced mediocre results with his classes. Bottom line is that you need talented savages that are hungry and are dogs. You take those dogs and you train them to be killers on the field. That's where coaching comes in. I'll take a talented, hungry 3 or 4-star savage all day over an entitled 5-star. Especially if their position coach is named Kuligowski.

Lets ask Nick Saban, Jimbo Fisher and Urban Myer how the 5 star thing is working out for them. We could ask Pete Carroll how it worked out for him at USC.

 

[CaneTheGaytors]

All of you star whores need to ask Larry Coker how that 5-star thing worked out for him. We were stacked with 5-star players under his regime and produced mediocre results with his classes. Bottom line is that you need talented savages that are hungry and are dogs. You take those dogs and you train them to be killers on the field. That's where coaching comes in. I'll take a talented, hungry 3 or 4-star savage all day over an entitled 5-star. Especially if their position coach is named Kuligowski.

Lets ask Nick Saban, Jimbo Fisher and Urban Myer how the 5 star thing is working out for them. We could ask Pete Carroll how it worked out for him at USC.

Saban, Meyer and Carroll are the best coaches of this era with great coaching staffs. Only reason that Jimbob won the natty is because Winston won him the title by bailing them out late in games time after time, even with a star studded, 5-star and 4-star filled roster. Bottom line is that elite coaching trumps stars all day.

 

[nbrewer22]

All of you star whores need to ask Larry Coker how that 5-star thing worked out for him. We were stacked with 5-star players under his regime and produced mediocre results with his classes. Bottom line is that you need talented savages that are hungry and are dogs. You take those dogs and you train them to be killers on the field. That's where coaching comes in. I'll take a talented, hungry 3 or 4-star savage all day over an entitled 5-star. Especially if their position coach is named Kuligowski.

Lets ask Nick Saban, Jimbo Fisher and Urban Myer how the 5 star thing is working out for them. We could ask Pete Carroll how it worked out for him at USC.

Saban, Meyer and Carroll are the best coaches of this era with great coaching staffs. Only reason that Jimbob won the natty is because Winston won him the title by bailing them out late in games time after time, even with a star studded, 5-star and 4-star filled roster. Bottom line is that elite coaching trumps stars all day.

I think part of what makes them elite coaches is the elite players that they have on their roster. I didn't see Saban bringing home any championships in East Lansing. You guys like to spout off saying stars don't matter, but no team in recent history has won a championship unless they averaged a top 10 class for the prior years to winning it.

 

[STtheGreat]

Possibly the dumbest thread ever. Yea 5 stars are nice.. Kyle Wright, Lance Leggett and Tracy Howard were. Perryman, Walford and Meriweather were 3 stars. Not saying id take 3 stars over 5 stars, but no guarantee a 5 star is gonna be great at all.

 

[nbrewer22]

Possibly the dumbest thread ever. Yea 5 stars are nice.. Kyle Wright, Lance Leggett and Tracy Howard were. Perryman, Walford and Meriweather were 3 stars. Not saying id take 3 stars over 5 stars, but no guarantee a 5 star is gonna be great at all.

People who think stars don't matter are delusional. If that's the case then why hasn't a team won a national championship with a roster full of 3 stars?

 

[cubin10]

Irrelevant how many stars roster players had out of HS, what matters is how they have developed in college. Stars have more relevancy to recruiting.

Its 2016, stars matter. Have you see who took home the natty the last decade?

Coach Diaz disagrees vehemently with you, but you are entitled to your star ***** opinion.

Name the last school who won a national championship without averaging a top 10 recruiting class. I'll wait, as I'm sure you will have to wait a while to find one.

Stars are not the end all be all and do not guarantee a championship, but if you don't have top recruiting classes you probably aren't going to win one.

It's not a coincidence that the national champion has come from the top 10 recruiting rankings for the longest time.

Not going to dignify with a respnse, so yuo can just keep waiting.

 

[nbrewer22]

Irrelevant how many stars roster players had out of HS, what matters is how they have developed in college. Stars have more relevancy to recruiting.

Its 2016, stars matter. Have you see who took home the natty the last decade?

Coach Diaz disagrees vehemently with you, but you are entitled to your star ***** opinion.

Name the last school who won a national championship without averaging a top 10 recruiting class. I'll wait, as I'm sure you will have to wait a while to find one.

Stars are not the end all be all and do not guarantee a championship, but if you don't have top recruiting classes you probably aren't going to win one.

It's not a coincidence that the national champion has come from the top 10 recruiting rankings for the longest time.

Not going to dignify with a respnse, so yuo can just keep waiting.

There is no response you can have, people who say stars don't matter are the one's who don't land the highly rated players. There is a reason that the teams who win are in the top 10 recruiting classes.

You can make all the excuses you want but until you can provide examples then there is no validity to your argument.

 

[cubin10]

Its 2016, stars matter. Have you see who took home the natty the last decade?

Coach Diaz disagrees vehemently with you, but you are entitled to your star ***** opinion.

Name the last school who won a national championship without averaging a top 10 recruiting class. I'll wait, as I'm sure you will have to wait a while to find one.

Stars are not the end all be all and do not guarantee a championship, but if you don't have top recruiting classes you probably aren't going to win one.

It's not a coincidence that the national champion has come from the top 10 recruiting rankings for the longest time.

Not going to dignify with a respnse, so yuo can just keep waiting.

There is no response you can have, people who say stars don't matter are the one's who don't land the highly rated players. There is a reason that the teams who win are in the top 10 recruiting classes.

You can make all the excuses you want but until you can provide examples then there is no validity to your argument.

Why dob't you simply go and get coach Kools opinion on Star's, todays presser and add that to Diaz's.They have their opinion, you have yours and I have mine. You will never prove your point to me or many others, but you can love the stars and the people who choose them.

 

[CaneTheGaytors]

Its 2016, stars matter. Have you see who took home the natty the last decade?

Coach Diaz disagrees vehemently with you, but you are entitled to your star ***** opinion.

Name the last school who won a national championship without averaging a top 10 recruiting class. I'll wait, as I'm sure you will have to wait a while to find one.

Stars are not the end all be all and do not guarantee a championship, but if you don't have top recruiting classes you probably aren't going to win one.

It's not a coincidence that the national champion has come from the top 10 recruiting rankings for the longest time.

Not going to dignify with a respnse, so yuo can just keep waiting.

There is no response you can have, people who say stars don't matter are the one's who don't land the highly rated players. There is a reason that the teams who win are in the top 10 recruiting classes.

You can make all the excuses you want but until you can provide examples then there is no validity to your argument.

My response is this. Miami never had a top 5 or top 10 rated class in any of their Championship seasons, Einstein. Look it up. It's a fact.

Nobody is arguing the fact that 5-star players are seen as a higher quality of athlete with perhaps a higher ceiling. But many 5-stars are kids that matured faster than others or had the benefits of a better strength and conditioning program and nutrition. Also want, heart and practice habits have a big role to play in this. That is why having a top-flight coaching staff is so important.

You can give guys like Folden 5-star players at each position and he would have still failed. Those who can, do. And those that can't, shouldn't.

 

[nbrewer22]

Coach Diaz disagrees vehemently with you, but you are entitled to your star ***** opinion.

Name the last school who won a national championship without averaging a top 10 recruiting class. I'll wait, as I'm sure you will have to wait a while to find one.

Stars are not the end all be all and do not guarantee a championship, but if you don't have top recruiting classes you probably aren't going to win one.

It's not a coincidence that the national champion has come from the top 10 recruiting rankings for the longest time.

Not going to dignify with a respnse, so yuo can just keep waiting.

There is no response you can have, people who say stars don't matter are the one's who don't land the highly rated players. There is a reason that the teams who win are in the top 10 recruiting classes.

You can make all the excuses you want but until you can provide examples then there is no validity to your argument.

Why dob't you simply go and get coach Kools opinion on Star's, todays presser and add that to Diaz's.They have their opinion, you have yours and I have mine. You will never prove your point to me or many others, but you can love the stars and the people who choose them.

Well the facts speak for themselves. No team has won a NC in the last decade that didn't consistently have top 10 classes, could be farther back just didn't feel like looking.

You can have whatever opinion you want on stars, but those are the facts.

 

[cubin10]

Name the last school who won a national championship without averaging a top 10 recruiting class. I'll wait, as I'm sure you will have to wait a while to find one.

Stars are not the end all be all and do not guarantee a championship, but if you don't have top recruiting classes you probably aren't going to win one.

It's not a coincidence that the national champion has come from the top 10 recruiting rankings for the longest time.

Not going to dignify with a respnse, so yuo can just keep waiting.

There is no response you can have, people who say stars don't matter are the one's who don't land the highly rated players. There is a reason that the teams who win are in the top 10 recruiting classes.

You can make all the excuses you want but until you can provide examples then there is no validity to your argument.

Why dob't you simply go and get coach Kools opinion on Star's, todays presser and add that to Diaz's.They have their opinion, you have yours and I have mine. You will never prove your point to me or many others, but you can love the stars and the people who choose them.

Well the facts speak for themselves. No team has won a NC in the last decade that didn't consistently have top 10 classes, could be farther back just didn't feel like looking.

You can have whatever opinion you want on stars, but those are the facts.

Those are your facts, you don't really have the actual facts and I have no intention of wasting my time. I believe contrary to what you believe simple as that. Like Gatorhater said you can give Al Golden all the 5 stars and that don't mean anything or you can simply listen to our coaches who share my opinion.

 

[nbrewer22]

Not going to dignify with a respnse, so yuo can just keep waiting.

There is no response you can have, people who say stars don't matter are the one's who don't land the highly rated players. There is a reason that the teams who win are in the top 10 recruiting classes.

You can make all the excuses you want but until you can provide examples then there is no validity to your argument.

Why dob't you simply go and get coach Kools opinion on Star's, todays presser and add that to Diaz's.They have their opinion, you have yours and I have mine. You will never prove your point to me or many others, but you can love the stars and the people who choose them.

Well the facts speak for themselves. No team has won a NC in the last decade that didn't consistently have top 10 classes, could be farther back just didn't feel like looking.

You can have whatever opinion you want on stars, but those are the facts.

Those are your facts, you don't really have the actual facts and I have no intention of wasting my time. I believe contrary to what you believe simple as that. Like Gatorhater said you can give Al Golden all the 5 stars and that don't mean anything or you can simply listen to our coaches who share my opinion.

They're my facts? So you say I don't have facts and that you're not going to look them up but you tell yourself I'm making them up? Okay guy.

I'm pretty sure that great players can make subpar coaches look good, Cam Newton won a championship for Auburn and Gene Chizik is about on the same level as Golden.

Just because you believe something doesn't make it true, at some point in history people thought the earth was flat. I'll do your homework for you. I'll list the champion and their average recruiting ranking for the 4 years prior to them winning.


2015- Bama (1)
2014- Ohio St (4.25)
2013- FSU (5.75)
2012- Bama (2.25)
2011- Bama (2.75)
2010- Auburn (15.75)
2009- Bama (8.25)
2008- Florida (5.25)
2007- LSU (7.5)
2006- Florida (5)
2005- Texas (8)
2004- USC (8)
2003- LSU (11.75)
2002- Ohio St (6.3) Only 3 years of data to go on.

This is from 247 composite rankings, which takes all recruiting services into account and averages them out.

It has happened 2 times in the past 14 years where a team won the championship without averaging a top 10 class and in both of those cases the team had 2 years of top 10 classes.

So for people to say that stars don't matter, it's simply not true no matter how you try to spin it.

 

[John77]

Here is the actual empirical data from rivals to those who are interested. Since 1996 every team that has won a national championship besides Texas in 2005 and Oklahoma in 2000 had at least two top ten recruiting classes in the prior four years.

1996 Florida (#6 in 1993, #2 in 1995)

1997 Nebraska/Michigan (Nebraska #5 in 1995 and number #9 in 1996 Michigan: #4 in 1994, #7 in 1995, #8 in 1996, #4 in 1997)

1998 Tennessee (#7 in 1998, #5 in 1997, #3 in 1996)

1999 Florida State (#5 in 1998, #1 in 1997, #5 in 1996)

2000 Oklahoma (#1 3 in 2000, and #2 5 in both 1997 and 1998 Rivals) *OU is the only program without a top ten class to win the title in Rivals history. But it did have 3 top 25 classes

2001 Miami (#2 in 2001, #9 in 2000, #8 in 1999)

2002 Ohio State (#7 in 2002, #4 in 2000, #2 in 1999)

2003 LSU/USC (LSU #1 class in 2003, #4 in 2001 USC #3 in 2003, #1 4 in 2000, #2 1 in 2001)

2004 USC (#3 class in 2003, #1 class in 2004)

2005 Texas (#1 class in 2002, #1 5 class in 2003 with only 18 recruits, which averaged highest star rating in country, #1 8 class in 2004 -- only signed 15) If Texas had signed 20 players in either of these classes, they would have ranked in the top five. The #1 class in 2002 was simply too large, with over 30 players).

2006 Florida (#2 in 2003, #1 0 in 2004, #2 in 2006)

2007 LSU (#1 in 2003, #1 in 2004, #7 in 2006, #4 in 2007)

2008 Florida (#2 in 2006, #1 in 2007, #3 in 2008)

2009 Alabama (#1 0 in 2007, #1 in 2008, #1 in 2009)

2010 Auburn (#1 0 in 2006, #7 in 2007, #4 in 2010) Auburn was #2 0 in 2008 and #1 9 in 2009

2011 Alabama (#1 in 2008, #1 in 2009, #5 in 2010, #1 in 2011)

2012 Alabama (#1 in 2009, #5 in 2010, #1 in 2011, #1 in 2012)

2013 Florida State (#7 in 2009, #1 0 in 2010, #2 in 2011, #6 in 2012, #1 0 in 2013)

2014 Ohio State (#1 1 in 2011, #4 in 2012, #2 in 2013, #3 in 2014)