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5-0 heading into ND

Not saying ncst is a bad team. They are good for an acc team. Bit to mark that one as an l is kindve crazy.
 
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If we start off 3-0 there is no way we are underdogs for GT and NC St


Also, I just want to beat BC. I'd be thrilled with that. Then we can worry about going 2-0
 
You can tell its August. Lets start by getting to 1-0 before we drink the...........
 
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**** NcState how bout that. And **** Vegas too..... they don't want people to win money, so they put us as the underdog, so dumb asses who think Vegas is looking out for you will pick against us. Lol
 
canecountry3 said:
Fact: Vegas has about as good an idea about the 2012 team as anyone else. They don't know anything none of the posters here do.

6-6 team, lost a bunch of starters, lost a lot of players to the NFL.

What do they know about Eddie Johnson/Rashawn Scott/Philip Dorsett/Duke Johnson/Kacy Rodgers/Curtis Porter/Shayon Green?

Nothing.
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Don't talk about things you clearly do not know.
 
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NC State will be our first loss.
ND may be our second loss.

We get out of the ND game either 5-1 or 4-2. I'm gonna go with 4-2.
 
scrantoncane said:
You can tell its August. ******* Lets start by getting to 1-0 before we start.....
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Lol lot of ifs in this thread. This is a hypothetical thread. I was just wondering what some would expect from that point if it were to happen.
 
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to answer PCs question, if we were 5-0, I'd be full blown BUT I'd remember how thin we are and what the expectations were coming into the season AND I'd expect some let down for the rest of the season from that point
 
im gonna say we go undefeated til we play an undefeated florida state team, finish off with 1 loss
 
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The first two games will be pivotal. If miami goes in there and wins those two, fellas we have something we haven't see in a long time.
 
I'll say this, we may need to start out 4-0 because from ND-UVA its a very physical schedule.
 
RiDLer80 said:
You know what'll change whether we're underdogs or not? How people are betting. Vegas doesn't set lines based on who they think will win, they set them to entice betting evenly. If everybody starts betting on Miami against BC you can bet that line moves and it would have nothing to do with practice reports, wins, losses or injuries.
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A pointspread is indeed a prediction of the outcome. The money line (straight up odds) is directly tied to the spread. In fact, major sportsbooks automatically adjust the money line as soon as the spread moves. Sportsbooks aren't scared of much but they tremble at the prospect of the money line failing to reflect the current spread. If a game moves from -3.5 to -4.5 the books jump the money line from let's say -170 to -210. That would be ball park. If they aren't predicting who will win then why are they willing to give you +190 odds (100 to win 190) on the 4.5 point underdog winning outright?

It's a laughable misconception that somehow has turned into smug conventional wisdom on sports message boards.

Years ago many guys in Las Vegas used to make a great living when old time sportsbook managers were caught napping, and didn't fully grasp the vital relationship of the spread and the money line. They treated the spread and money line as two separate entities, and waited to take a hit on the money line even if the spread had moved. That was incomparable ignorance. Those old time bookmaker types actually believed the malarkey that they weren't predicting the outcome. It enabled bargains galore, and meant you didn't actually have to work for a living. I still have my old value chart. Examples: on a 7 point spread I had value giving -240 and taking +7. At 6 I could give -210 and take back +6. At 4 I could give -155 and take +4. And so forth. I had every number figured out, on the whole point and half point, based on historical evidence of how often teams won the game when favored by X amount. You were hoping the outcome was close to the number, that the favorite would win the game but not cover. In that case, you'd win both sides of the bet. As long as you stuck to the chart and played every one that fit, it was virtually impossible not to come out way ahead at season's end, in football and basketball. The opportunities were there time after time when the dunce sportsbook managers would allow a game to drift on the spread but completely ignore the money line. I remember one time at Barbary Coast a college basketball Colonial conference tournament game involving James Madison shifted from -2.5 one way to -1 the other way within 10 minutes. Yet the money line was still sitting there at +125 on the team now favored by 1. I was trying not to chuckle while making the bet for the limit. Nowadays that can't happen. Sit at the Hilton and the money line moves in unison with the spread. In fact, often the money line flashes the move before the spread shifts.
 
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Its worth noting ND has a bye week before us. Will give them 2 weeks to prepare
 
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