2018 Nigel Bethel, Jr.

[Hurracanes]

IF Dalvin Cook played for Miami... we still wouldve lost to FSU every year under Golden lol yall are hilarious

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA You're clearly trolling. At least, I hope you are.

 

[The Franchise]

Or they could have been like Calais Campbell and Olivier Vernon-- cream of the crop players that wasted their talents here.

How in the world did these 2 waste their talents?

They didn't do anything here, individually and team-wise, and they went lower than they should have in the draft.

I don't blame them. I blame the environment. We had incompetent people in charge.

For the same reason, I don't blame premier players for going elsewhere between 2005-2015. Amari Cooper was a national champion, an All-American and a Top 5 pick. That beats listening to "Deserve Victory" speeches and getting smashed by Duke.

Didn't Vernon leave after his RS Soph season? He was also suspended for a large chunk of time too right? Pretty hard to accomplish much when you play in about 15 total games. I think Vernon actually got drafted way higher than he should have based on actual production.

Campbell was a very good player here. He was a bit of a tweener though for the NFL. Not athletic enough to be a great 4-3 SE and not yet big enough to be a DT.

 

[Miami Nights]

Or they could have been like Calais Campbell and Olivier Vernon

Olivier Vernon played for a defense that was top 10 in nation in tfl and other categories same for Campbell. Who cares if they went lower than they were picked easy to say that after the fact. They played for inferior coaches but don't think they went to waste. Going to waste is what golden did. Having your defense finish almost last in the nation. None of those guys played for golden. I might agree with you in agreeing not playing for golden but regardless I want Miami to get the best players possible.

 

[trillcane31]

That Sean Spence led D

 

[DMoney]

Didn't Vernon leave after his RS Soph season? He was also suspended for a large chunk of time too right? Pretty hard to accomplish much when you play in about 15 total games. I think Vernon actually got drafted way higher than he should have based on actual production.

Campbell was a very good player here. He was a bit of a tweener though for the NFL. Not athletic enough to be a great 4-3 SE and not yet big enough to be a DT.

Vernon left as a junior. In 30 games, he had 8 total sacks. After a few years in the NFL, Olivier Vernon became the highest paid defensive end in football history. We wasted him.

Campbell had a great sophomore year. John Palermo left, and Clint Hurtt became the DL coach. Campbell had a horrible junior year and plummeted from projected Top 10 pick to the second round. Another guy wasted.

I can't blame kids for refusing to play for incompetent coaches. Now that we have someone with a track record, the results are speaking for themselves.

 

[The Franchise]

Didn't Vernon leave after his RS Soph season? He was also suspended for a large chunk of time too right? Pretty hard to accomplish much when you play in about 15 total games. I think Vernon actually got drafted way higher than he should have based on actual production.

Campbell was a very good player here. He was a bit of a tweener though for the NFL. Not athletic enough to be a great 4-3 SE and not yet big enough to be a DT.

Vernon left as a junior. In 30 games, he had 8 total sacks. After a few years in the NFL, Olivier Vernon became the highest paid defensive end in football history. We wasted him.

Campbell had a great sophomore year. John Palermo left, and Clint Hurtt became the DL coach. Campbell had a horrible junior year and plummeted from projected Top 10 pick to the second round. Another guy wasted.

I can't blame kids for refusing to play for incompetent coaches. Now that we have someone with a track record, the results are speaking for themselves.

OK. He was a true junior then. I think he only played a handful of games his final season here. It was basically a wasted season because of his own knuckleheadedness.

As for Campbell, the NFL saw what he could do under Palermo. I don't buy that "projected top 10" stuff. Kaaya was a projected top 5 pick. Came back to play for a better coach and wound up almost undrafted.

 

[Tee3000]

Huh? You realize we barely lost to fsu under golden and if you don't think cook makes a difference, you're crazy.

Stop making sense!

 

[Tee3000]

Switch Dalvin Cook's jersey and Al Golden beats Jimbo three straight. Sign Bridgewater and Cooper and Golden never gets that chance because Randy's still the coach.

Or they could have been like Calais Campbell and Olivier Vernon-- cream of the crop players that wasted their talents here.

Cook, Bridgewater and Cooper made smart decisions. The results speak for themselves. I don't want kids to start making bad decisions. I want Miami to become the good decision.

How in the world did these 2 waste their talents?

Bridgewater didn't stick when Randy got fired...he wanted to play for a black HC.
Golden tried to STRONG ARM Cooper into a commit...he went 1st round in 2015...guess what...so did Philip Dorsett...was his career wasted?

See Rashard greene who went to FSU that was a teammate of Dorsett's in high school. Did his talent get wasted by being a 5th rd draft pick

You're not making much sense

Wasted in a sense of not winning anything like a ring, yes that is true

However wasted in terms of getting to the NFL that's false. Even with golden they developed some of the players into NFL talent

If anyone deems a player wasted their talent at any school bc they didn't win a ring needs their head cut off bc they are wasting oxygen for the rest of us.

 

[Tee3000]

Could be any of Bethel's coaches. Doesn't have to be the HC. Whoever it is needs to be straightened the fck out.

This is how most of these ***** down there think man and it's pathetic. There isn't real love for Miami like it should be from coaches down there. If Miami doesn't offer some marginal ******* kid that they think is worthy, these dudes get all butt hurt. I've never seen anything like it. You have a ton of guys down there that coach high school ball and these 7on7 teams that did not play for UM and were not recruited by UM so they have zero loyalty to UM bc most of them are out for themselves.

Exactly. Bunch of shady scumbags down here looking out for themselves and using kids to grind axes against UM or to enrich themselves via the bag game.

Bruh that is EXACTLY what it is. You nailed it!!!!!!

 

[simplycanes]

Shalala shut down the old Miami program ages ago.

You cannot blame kids for doing what was the smart thing for themselves.

This school hired three straight incompetent corches.

As for your bolded comment, it os what it is. We ain't a big state program. We have access to the best recruits in the country, but we also take the competitive environment as it is. All in all, it's good for us, but it ain't perfect. No sense in crying over it or blaming kids. If UM does what it should, we'll be okay.

We'll have to agree to disagree. I hate that expression, "It is what it is." That's the death knell from a defeated mindset. It is what it is, until it's not, then you're left in the dark.

I agree UM didn't evolve properly and believed that the do more with less lightening they caught in the bottle under Butch would work again. Hence the poor hires, but it did very little to fight back at those who spoke out and worked against it. That was an equally big mistake.

It appears the tide is turning and it may soon become that those who are out to enrich themselves by working against UM find themselves in a bad spot. One can hope.

To be clear, kids are free to do what's best for them. Hopefully, that becomes UM once again, but in some cases when it's not, it should carry risks to those who went out of their way to damage us. You can't sit idly and dismiss that as being, "what it is."

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Lie down with dogs, catch fleas.

You cannot silence the streets.

The expression works just fine. What you dislike is the reality, not the expresion.

Pick your battles, is another expression.

The goal is to win, not to be the loudest.

Nah, expressions are created by and for those cannot accept reality is a place of constant change. The world spends very little time in equilibrium. If you believe otherwise you'll have the pleasure of watching it pass you by two times!

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I get the feeling that you just stepped out of a Tony Robbins seminar with some of your talk. Was it enlightening?

More from reading economics but it's above your grade level.

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[Tee3000]

Or they could have been like Calais Campbell and Olivier Vernon-- cream of the crop players that wasted their talents here.

How in the world did these 2 waste their talents?

They didn't do anything here, individually and team-wise, and they went lower than they should have in the draft.

I don't blame them. I blame the environment. We had incompetent people in charge.

For the same reason, I don't blame premier players for going elsewhere between 2005-2015. Amari Cooper was a national champion, an All-American and a Top 5 pick. That beats listening to "Deserve Victory" speeches and getting smashed by Duke.

Your projecting high school players as pro bowlers and then you're using revisionist history to justify top players not coming.

Campbell made the pro bowl his 6th and 7th years in the NFL. He had 19 sacks in 3 years and went in the 2nd round. He was picked after Desean Jackson.
Vernon has never made a pro bowl, 7.5 sacks in 3 years at Miami, starting 16 games out of 29 warranted him going in the 3rd round.

both of them were drafted where they should have been as it took them years to become pro bowl/highly paid players.

Here's a secret...Richt was one of the most under achieving coaches ever with an entire state known for great football players as his playground for players yet he won what exactly...what makes you think that changes at Miami? Should top players not come here right now bc his track record of winning BIG isn't good at all.

 

[Tee3000]

Didn't Vernon leave after his RS Soph season? He was also suspended for a large chunk of time too right? Pretty hard to accomplish much when you play in about 15 total games. I think Vernon actually got drafted way higher than he should have based on actual production.

Campbell was a very good player here. He was a bit of a tweener though for the NFL. Not athletic enough to be a great 4-3 SE and not yet big enough to be a DT.

Vernon left as a junior. In 30 games, he had 8 total sacks. After a few years in the NFL, Olivier Vernon became the highest paid defensive end in football history. We wasted him.

Campbell had a great sophomore year. John Palermo left, and Clint Hurtt became the DL coach. Campbell had a horrible junior year and plummeted from projected Top 10 pick to the second round. Another guy wasted.

I can't blame kids for refusing to play for incompetent coaches. Now that we have someone with a track record, the results are speaking for themselves.

So bc Vernon was highly overpaid by the Giants means we wasted him?? LOLOLOLOLOL
Vernon has had more than 10 sacks in a season just once!

Campbell was never projected to be a top 10 pick.

and how could you call him wasted based on one year?

 

[The []_[]]

Hard pass on Bethel to me. Give me 2 of these 5 (Blades, Campbell, Samuel, Surtain, Tyreke Johnson) and focus on closing the DB class with what we have already.

 

[The Franchise]

Or they could have been like Calais Campbell and Olivier Vernon-- cream of the crop players that wasted their talents here.

How in the world did these 2 waste their talents?

They didn't do anything here, individually and team-wise, and they went lower than they should have in the draft.

I don't blame them. I blame the environment. We had incompetent people in charge.

For the same reason, I don't blame premier players for going elsewhere between 2005-2015. Amari Cooper was a national champion, an All-American and a Top 5 pick. That beats listening to "Deserve Victory" speeches and getting smashed by Duke.

Your projecting high school players as pro bowlers and then you're using revisionist history to justify top players not coming.

Campbell made the pro bowl his 6th and 7th years in the NFL. He had 19 sacks in 3 years and went in the 2nd round. He was picked after Desean Jackson.
Vernon has never made a pro bowl, 7.5 sacks in 3 years at Miami, starting 16 games out of 29 warranted him going in the 3rd round.

both of them were drafted where they should have been as it took them years to become pro bowl/highly paid players.

Here's a secret...Richt was one of the most under achieving coaches ever with an entire state known for great football players as his playground for players yet he won what exactly...what makes you think that changes at Miami?

Vernon's averaged about 7 sacks a year. Not sure that makes him a "cream of the crop" player. He's doing in the NFL just about what he did here. Had he played a full senior season at UM he probably would have had at least 10 sacks. His last real season at UM was as a true sophomore, and he had an excellent season.

 

[Cribby]

Or they could have been like Calais Campbell and Olivier Vernon-- cream of the crop players that wasted their talents here.

How in the world did these 2 waste their talents?

They didn't do anything here, individually and team-wise, and they went lower than they should have in the draft.

I don't blame them. I blame the environment. We had incompetent people in charge.

For the same reason, I don't blame premier players for going elsewhere between 2005-2015. Amari Cooper was a national champion, an All-American and a Top 5 pick. That beats listening to "Deserve Victory" speeches and getting smashed by Duke.

Your projecting high school players as pro bowlers and then you're using revisionist history to justify top players not coming.

Campbell made the pro bowl his 6th and 7th years in the NFL. He had 19 sacks in 3 years and went in the 2nd round. He was picked after Desean Jackson.
Vernon has never made a pro bowl, 7.5 sacks in 3 years at Miami, starting 16 games out of 29 warranted him going in the 3rd round.

both of them were drafted where they should have been as it took them years to become pro bowl/highly paid players.

Here's a secret...Richt was one of the most under achieving coaches ever with an entire state known for great football players as his playground for players yet he won what exactly...what makes you think that changes at Miami?

Vernon's averaged about 7 sacks a year. Not sure that makes him a "cream of the crop" player. He's doing in the NFL just about what he did here. Had he played a full senior season at UM he probably would have had at least 10 sacks. His last real season at UM was as a true sophomore, and he had an excellent season.

He literally disappears games at a time .

 

[DMoney]

Campbell and Vernon were drafted where they should have been as it took them years to become pro bowl/highly paid players.

Campbell is one of the best defensive linemen in football. He signed a $55 million contract in 2012. When that expired this spring, he signed a $60 million contract.

Because he played so badly under Clint Hurtt, he slipped to the 50th pick. Here are the defensive linemen picked over him:

Chris Long
Glenn Dorsey
Vernon Gholston
Sedrick Ellis
Derrick Harvey
Lawrence Jackson
Kentwan Balmer

We wasted his talent. He didn't produce enough here, and his draft stock suffered as a result.

Vernon had 7.5 sacks in 3 years at Miami, starting 16 games out of 29 warranted him going in the 3rd round.

Again, you're proving my point.

Vernon's production at UM made him a third round pick. Vernon's production out of UM made him the highest paid defensive end in NFL history. We wasted him and held back his potential.

These are just two examples. The 2013 team was full of future pros and they got their **** pushed in by Duke. I love those guys for choosing Miami, but I can't blame their peers for refusing to jump on a sinking ship.

 

[The Franchise]

How in the world did these 2 waste their talents?

They didn't do anything here, individually and team-wise, and they went lower than they should have in the draft.

I don't blame them. I blame the environment. We had incompetent people in charge.

For the same reason, I don't blame premier players for going elsewhere between 2005-2015. Amari Cooper was a national champion, an All-American and a Top 5 pick. That beats listening to "Deserve Victory" speeches and getting smashed by Duke.

Your projecting high school players as pro bowlers and then you're using revisionist history to justify top players not coming.

Campbell made the pro bowl his 6th and 7th years in the NFL. He had 19 sacks in 3 years and went in the 2nd round. He was picked after Desean Jackson.
Vernon has never made a pro bowl, 7.5 sacks in 3 years at Miami, starting 16 games out of 29 warranted him going in the 3rd round.

both of them were drafted where they should have been as it took them years to become pro bowl/highly paid players.

Here's a secret...Richt was one of the most under achieving coaches ever with an entire state known for great football players as his playground for players yet he won what exactly...what makes you think that changes at Miami?

Vernon's averaged about 7 sacks a year. Not sure that makes him a "cream of the crop" player. He's doing in the NFL just about what he did here. Had he played a full senior season at UM he probably would have had at least 10 sacks. His last real season at UM was as a true sophomore, and he had an excellent season.

He literally disappears games at a time .

Just like he did in his brief time here.

 

[DMoney]

Vernon's averaged about 7 sacks a year.

In other words, he gets as many sacks in an average NFL season as he got his entire college career. Against tackles who sell insurance now.

We wasted him. If this was a Golden or Shannon thread, no one would dispute this obvious point.

 

[TriStarCane]

Vernon's averaged about 7 sacks a year.

In other words, he gets as many sacks in an average NFL season as he got his entire college career. Against tackles who sell insurance now.

We wasted him. If this was a Golden or Shannon thread, no one would dispute this obvious point.

He had 6 sacks as a sophomore on a team that led the nation in TFL. How did we waste him? That sounds like he didn't do **** to me - it's not like our d-line scheme was ****ed up then. We were getting after it. He then ****ed up with the NCAA and lost out on most of his junior year. That's on him. HE underachieved here. There are plenty of other kids to use as an example, but I don't see it for Vernon

 

[DMoney]

He had 6 sacks as a sophomore on a team that led the nation in TFL. How did we waste him? That sounds like he didn't do **** to me - it's not like our d-line scheme was ****ed up then. We were getting after it

Is that the same defense that made Christian Ponder look like Tommie Frazier? That gave up 45 points to FSU at home? That lost six games and got Shannon fired?

We've wasted more than Vernon. We've wasted the past decade. Everybody knows that. We can't blame kids for being smart and avoiding this dumpster fire.