2018 Nigel Bethel, Jr.

[Tee3000]

Campbell and Vernon were drafted where they should have been as it took them years to become pro bowl/highly paid players.

Campbell is one of the best defensive linemen in football. He signed a $55 million contract in 2012. When that expired this spring, he signed a $60 million contract.

Because he played so badly under Clint Hurtt, he slipped to the 50th pick. Here are the defensive linemen picked over him:

Chris Long
Glenn Dorsey
Vernon Gholston
Sedrick Ellis
Derrick Harvey
Lawrence Jackson
Kentwan Balmer

We wasted his talent. He didn't produce enough here, and his draft stock suffered as a result.

Vernon had 7.5 sacks in 3 years at Miami, starting 16 games out of 29 warranted him going in the 3rd round.

Again, you're proving my point.

Vernon's production at UM made him a third round pick. Vernon's production out of UM made him the highest paid defensive end in NFL history. We wasted him and held back his potential.

These are just two examples. The 2013 team was full of future pros and they got their **** pushed in by Duke. I love those guys for choosing Miami, but I can't blame their peers for refusing to jump on a sinking ship.

Isn't 2012 four years after being drafted in 2008? What about my statement that It took them years to become highly/paid pro bowl players was wrong? Also the 55 million contract didn't mean he was a top player in the NFL...just one for the cardinals bc he did not reach a pro bowl until 3 years after than contract. Again, he was drafted where he should have been and all of those DE's drafted before him except Balmer should've been drafted before him.

and I'm not proving your point...you said Vernon should have been drafted higher? Based on what exactly? He's producing marginally in the NFL like he did in college...nothing about him changed except being over paid.

 

[Tee3000]

Vernon's averaged about 7 sacks a year.

In other words, he gets as many sacks in an average NFL season as he got his entire college career. Against tackles who sell insurance now.

We wasted him. If this was a Golden or Shannon thread, no one would dispute this obvious point.

7 sacks in a season isn't good at all for a DE so how was he wasted?

He's an average NFL player.

 

[The Franchise]

Vernon's averaged about 7 sacks a year.

In other words, he gets as many sacks in an average NFL season as he got his entire college career. Against tackles who sell insurance now.

We wasted him. If this was a Golden or Shannon thread, no one would dispute this obvious point.

D$, I love you like my own **** son. But you went off the rails. Vernon's the same guy he was here. Had he played his junior season instead of getting himself suspended for all but a handful of games, he would have progressed from his excellent sophomore season.

He entered the draft coming off a suspension and lack of production. He wasn't expected to go as high as he did based on his own mistakes. Since he got to the NFL he's been a fairly productive player, not some juggernaut like you're making him out to be.

You want to talk about projections? You ignored Kaaya's high 1st round draft projection under Folden that deteriorated to him almost being undrafted under Rick.

 

[The Franchise]

He had 6 sacks as a sophomore on a team that led the nation in TFL. How did we waste him? That sounds like he didn't do **** to me - it's not like our d-line scheme was ****ed up then. We were getting after it

Is that the same defense that made Christian Ponder look like Tommie Frazier? That gave up 45 points to FSU at home? That lost six games and got Shannon fired?

We've wasted more than Vernon. We've wasted the past decade. Everybody knows that. We can't blame kids for being smart and avoiding this dumpster fire.

I can and will. Fck scumbags like Dal Cuck and Pat Peterson. They can die of AIDS.

How'd Dorsett get picked so high? He had no business being a 1st round pick.

 

[brock]

How in the world did these 2 waste their talents?

They didn't do anything here, individually and team-wise, and they went lower than they should have in the draft.

I don't blame them. I blame the environment. We had incompetent people in charge.

For the same reason, I don't blame premier players for going elsewhere between 2005-2015. Amari Cooper was a national champion, an All-American and a Top 5 pick. That beats listening to "Deserve Victory" speeches and getting smashed by Duke.

Your projecting high school players as pro bowlers and then you're using revisionist history to justify top players not coming.

Campbell made the pro bowl his 6th and 7th years in the NFL. He had 19 sacks in 3 years and went in the 2nd round. He was picked after Desean Jackson.
Vernon has never made a pro bowl, 7.5 sacks in 3 years at Miami, starting 16 games out of 29 warranted him going in the 3rd round.

both of them were drafted where they should have been as it took them years to become pro bowl/highly paid players.

Here's a secret...Richt was one of the most under achieving coaches ever with an entire state known for great football players as his playground for players yet he won what exactly...what makes you think that changes at Miami?

Vernon's averaged about 7 sacks a year. Not sure that makes him a "cream of the crop" player. He's doing in the NFL just about what he did here. Had he played a full senior season at UM he probably would have had at least 10 sacks. His last real season at UM was as a true sophomore, and he had an excellent season.

He literally disappears games at a time .

No he doesn't. His pass rush grade is just behind von miller. Him and Campbell are rated top 5 at their position in football. If you watch the giants he makes a lot of plays

 

[Cribby]

They didn't do anything here, individually and team-wise, and they went lower than they should have in the draft.

I don't blame them. I blame the environment. We had incompetent people in charge.

For the same reason, I don't blame premier players for going elsewhere between 2005-2015. Amari Cooper was a national champion, an All-American and a Top 5 pick. That beats listening to "Deserve Victory" speeches and getting smashed by Duke.

Your projecting high school players as pro bowlers and then you're using revisionist history to justify top players not coming.

Campbell made the pro bowl his 6th and 7th years in the NFL. He had 19 sacks in 3 years and went in the 2nd round. He was picked after Desean Jackson.
Vernon has never made a pro bowl, 7.5 sacks in 3 years at Miami, starting 16 games out of 29 warranted him going in the 3rd round.

both of them were drafted where they should have been as it took them years to become pro bowl/highly paid players.

Here's a secret...Richt was one of the most under achieving coaches ever with an entire state known for great football players as his playground for players yet he won what exactly...what makes you think that changes at Miami?

Vernon's averaged about 7 sacks a year. Not sure that makes him a "cream of the crop" player. He's doing in the NFL just about what he did here. Had he played a full senior season at UM he probably would have had at least 10 sacks. His last real season at UM was as a true sophomore, and he had an excellent season.

He literally disappears games at a time .

No he doesn't. His pass rush grade is just behind von miller. Him and Campbell are rated top 5 at their position in football. If you watch the giants he makes a lot of plays

I watched the Giants play 4-5 times last year and I actually forgot he even played for them. I also have multiple Giabts fans as friends and they say he was extremely over paid for what he brings.

Feast or famine.

I mean Jpp had 7 sacks while missing a hand lol, so 7-8 sacks isn't exactly mind blowing stuff.

 

[DMoney]

Again, he was drafted where he should have been and all of those DE's drafted before him except Balmer should've been drafted before him.

So Gholston, Ellis, Harvey and Jackson should've been drafted over Calais Campbell? They aren't even in the league. Campbell was just voted as one of the best DL in the league by his peers.

Vernon is producing marginally in the NFL like he did in college...nothing about him changed except being over paid.

He was rated as the most productive right-end in the league last year by the folks who grade every play. He played 30 games here against a ton of **** teams and didn't even hit double-digit career sacks. I'd say his production has gone up.

Giants’ Olivier Vernon was most productive right end in 2016 | Giants Wire

The NFL values players when they enter the draft. That determines their draft position. The same teams value players once they enter free agency. That determines their contracts.

Campbell and Vernon were valued as role players based on their production at UM. They were valued as superstars once they hit free agency. If that doesn't show you what our ****** coaching did to their value, nothing will.

 

[gogeta4]

its typical of cane fans to down grde their own. Its an essentially a double down on their hate once the kid declares...they are still pretty mad he entered the draft and are essentially mad that he is one of the better de's in the game.

 

[Rellyrell]

its typical of cane fans to down grde their own. Its an essentially a double down on their hate once the kid declares...they are still pretty mad he entered the draft and are essentially mad that he is one of the better de's in the game.

I don't get it. Like sometimes I come on this board and I feel like it's a Canes board and then other times, I forget it's a Canes board. Hella bi-polar.

 

[Ethnicsands]

Are people really arguing that we did anything other than waste (i.e., under-utilize/mis-use) what talent we had the past 10+ years?

Is is real life?

Wtf are some a yall even tryna say?

 

[The Franchise]

I don't get how pumping up other schools as better choices for recruits makes you more legit as a Canes fan. Because you pump up a DE that averages 7 sacks a season that makes you a better Canes fan than guys who think UM didn't fck up his draft status and that guys who choose to come to UM won't be in a bad spot to get paper?

Vernon was a knucklehead who had himself to blame for his ****** junior season. He had a very good sophomore season. Had he not gotten himself suspended and played more than 6 games his junior season he would have likely gone a little higher in the draft.

 

[DomWorld_Peace]

Franchise tries so hard to be different.

 

[Ethnicsands]

I don't get how pumping up other schools as better choices for recruits makes you more legit as a Canes fan. Because you pump up a DE that averages 7 sacks a season that makes you a better Canes fan than guys who think UM didn't fck up his draft status and that guys who choose to come to UM won't be in a bad spot to get paper?

Vernon was a knucklehead who had himself to blame for his ****** junior season. He had a very good sophomore season. Had he not gotten himself suspended and played more than 6 games his junior season he would have likely gone a little higher in the draft.

I didnt know that denying the obvious truth of a statement was the measure of fanhood. This program was a dumpster fire for a long time. Hopefully we're not any longer. But we're arguing for no purpose here. You can blame any kid for anything. Doesn't change the fact that clappy, radio and folden were abysmal, and they underutilized and coached the kids we had, did not evaluate kids and recruited mediocrely as well.

 

[Southbeach44]

Obviously, both players were severely under corched.

 

[Ver]

What does any of this have to do with Nigel Bethel ?

 

[thinkkaz]

This board really struggles with understanding how the NFL works. Its crazy. See it year after year & it never gets any better.

 

[DusseDez]

Can't ever stay on topic

 

[Bennubird]

Let things play out. There will be quick resolution here.

Sounds like someone's about to flip, but the staff isn't worried about it

Offering Bethel now so he can commit on the spot once the other person flips and we don't skip a beat?

Staff has to see Bethel as comparable/better than whomever the potential flip candidate is

Pretty much called it. Will be 100% when Bethel comes on board.

 

[Southbeach44]

Can't ever stay on topic

32 porsts and we have a new mod wanna be. I don't care if it is off topic. This has been very good discussion, insight and opinions from very reputable posters. Who cares if it is semi off topic?

 

[DusseDez]

Can't ever stay on topic

32 porsts and we have a new mod wanna be. I don't care if it is off topic. This has been very good discussion, insight and opinions from very reputable posters. Who cares if it is semi off topic?

Mod wanna be? I don't give a **** about this board like some of y'all.