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lauderdaleballer said:
I get what you are saying but remember recruiting now is different from back then. At one time unless you were a stud you redshirted. Now you can redshirt but play 4 games. Kids weren’t hitting the weights like they do now. Athletes are more advanced from a physical stand point now and with the transfer portal, kids are coming in more physically ready than they did in 08. These kids are coming in physically ready to compete now. Benjamin weighed 140. He was a baller but in 2022 he wouldn’t have came in at 140 if he wanted a p5 offer.

That’s why I said, it’s irrelevant to compare what a staff is doing now to what a staff did back. You are right regarding the athletes we are bringing now but that doesn’t mean the evals in 08 were awful though. It was a different landscape for college football.
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I get what your saying I just think the star rating system is more accurate now then back then. Also this totally off topic lol....I was looking at a list of top 100 and it's weird when UGA Bama offer a kid but there are kids rated higher at the position. I usually value Kirby and Sabans evals. Now we are mentioned going after those same guys. I think our eval game is too notch now. I still do believe that class was elite in HS but for college some of them were not it. They did regress after year one (yes development was an issue and has been) I do think the class wouldn't be number one now. Alot of guys guys live off the HS tape throughout their college career. I'm not totally disagreeing about development and scheme fit but dogs are dogs and when u let them out the cage they bite. We did have bad development bad evals bad everything coaching leadership culture....everything was bad for years.
 
2008 - weak in the trenches
2023 - strong plus in the trenches

2023 >>>2008

2023 staff >>> 2008 staff (DEVELOPMENT)

the 2023 kids will be playing for something meaningful in a couple of years
 
lauderdaleballer said:
I get what you are saying but remember recruiting now is different from back then. At one time unless you were a stud you redshirted. Now you can redshirt but play 4 games. Kids weren’t hitting the weights like they do now. Athletes are more advanced from a physical stand point now and with the transfer portal, kids are coming in more physically ready than they did in 08. These kids are coming in physically ready to compete now. Benjamin weighed 140. He was a baller but in 2022 he wouldn’t have came in at 140 if he wanted a p5 offer.

That’s why I said, it’s irrelevant to compare what a staff is doing now to what a staff did back. You are right regarding the athletes we are bringing now but that doesn’t mean the evals in 08 were awful though. It was a different landscape for college football.
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You couldve redshirted an played in games back then to.
 
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Canesfan_134 said:
Seen a Twitter thread and this got me thinking. Can the 2023 class be better than the 2008 class on paper? I know the 2008 class flopped once they arrived here… Obviously the 2023 class is gonna have a better staff to develop around once they get here. But I’m asking this merely from a perspective of recruiting and not knowing what was gonna happen after they arrived at UM.
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According to 247 there were 32 signees in that class, this class wont be that big, so 2008 probably gets rated higher based on sheer numbers.

That said, I think 2023 has a higher avg player rating. Half of that 2008 class was 3 stars… a lot of em low 3 stars. There were three 5 stars also, but I don’t think Mario is going to take that many pulseless bodies.
 
YUMU said:
2008 - weak in the trenches
2023 - strong plus in the trenches

2023 >>>2008

2023 staff >>> 2008 staff (DEVELOPMENT)

the 2023 kids will be playing for something meaningful in a couple of years
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Agreed the trenches will be our strength in 23! Championships are built and won in the trenches!
 
TheEye said:
I recall us having too many LBs that year.
This class feels more balanced.

As has been already noted, 2008 had a ton of 3 stars. Not that we dont have 3 stars now, but there was a high quantity in 2008.

Maybe Jalen Brown turns out to be the next Aldarius Johnson?
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Aldarius Johnson was better than Jalen Brown in HS but he was never developed here. Streeter had limitless potential as well.

The lack of OL recruits in 08 really f***** them over. We’re about to sign the best OL class in school history here should Samson and Kinsler join the class…
 
kyhurricane said:
Yep! I've been following recruiting since 2000 and that 08 class being ranked #1 has always been a head scratcher to me. If i recall correctly, Arthur Brown left after 1 year or never even suited up for Miami, something happened with Aldarius Jonson and we were going through a carousel of coaches. Didn't Jacory play under 3 different offensive coordinator's while at Miami? Looking back at those days and what could be building here now is night and day different.
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Bingo! The '08 class was overrated.

This '23 class could have quite a few impact players at both the college level and in the NFL (Francis, Samson, Riley, Rashada, Wayne, Popo & others). The 2008 class had very few great pro prospects. You can't blame Miami's staff either.

Arthur Brown transferred to K State and was pretty good there but only had 20 tackles and 0.5 sacks in his NFL career. He was a very good college player.

Sean Spence played hard for us and ended up being my favorite of the MNW players in that class. As hard as Sean played, his max potential was always likely to be very good college player and a solid contributor in the NFL. He was hampered by injuries in the NFL and had about 50 tackles in his best season.
Forston had two seasons at Miami derailed by injury but even when healthy I never saw him flash the same potential that any of our great DTs had (maybe that's because he was still young & developing). Maybe if he hadn't been injured twice & he had not declared early (a big mistake), he would have matured into an impact player at the college level (players on the DL do typically need at least a couple of years to mature & become impact players and he lost a lot of valuable development time to injuries).

Jacory was a great High School QB, a good college QB but he never struck me as a strong pro prospect. Among other things, his body type wasn't really suited to holding up at the next level.

I see the '23 class as having far more impact players in college (players with real star potential).
 
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My 2023 mock class here. If we land this class it would go down as the best class on paper in program history. Even if we missed on guys like Cormani and Hykeem. The future is bright!

DEFENSE

5* DE Damon Wilson (Venice, FL)
5*/4* DE Jayden Wayne (Tacoma, WA IMG)
4* DT Rueben Bain (Miami, FL)
3* DT Samu Taumanupepe (Humble, TX)

4* LB Malik Bryant (Orlando, FL)
4* LB Raul Aguirre (Fayetteville, GA)
4* LB Stanquan Clark (Miami, FL)
3* LB Bobby Washington (Miami, FL)

5* CB Cormani McClain (Lakeland, FL)
4* CB Robert Stafford (Melbourne, FL)
4* CB Damari Brown (Ft Lauderdale, FL)

4* S Jayden Bonsu (Jersey City, NJ)
4* S Conrad Hussey (Ft Lauderdale, FL)


OFFENSE

4* QB Jaden Rashada (Pittsburg, CA)
3* QB Emory Williams (Milton, FL)

4* RB Chris Johnson Jr (Ft Lauderdale, FL)
5* WR Hykeem Williams (Ft Lauderdale, FL)
4* WR Nathaniel Joseph (Miami, FL)
4* WR Robby Washington (Miami, FL)
4* WR Andy Jean (Miami, FL)
4* TE Riley Williams (Portland, OR IMG)
3* TE Jackson Carver (Windsor, CT)
3* TE Reid Mikeska (Cypress, TX)

5* OL Francis Mauigoa (SoCal IMG)
5* OL Samson Okunlola (Brockton, MA)
3* OL Antonio Tripp (Owings Mills, MD)
3* OL Tommy Kinsler (Ocala, FL)
3* OL Frankie Tinilau (Miami, FL)
 
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Dwinstitles said:
I get what your saying I just think the star rating system is more accurate now then back then. Also this totally off topic lol....I was looking at a list of top 100 and it's weird when UGA Bama offer a kid but there are kids rated higher at the position. I usually value Kirby and Sabans evals. Now we are mentioned going after those same guys. I think our eval game is too notch now. I still do believe that class was elite in HS but for college some of them were not it. They did regress after year one (yes development was an issue and has been) I do think the class wouldn't be number one now. Alot of guys guys live off the HS tape throughout their college career. I'm not totally disagreeing about development and scheme fit but dogs are dogs and when u let them out the cage they bite. We did have bad development bad evals bad everything coaching leadership culture....everything was bad for years.
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Once again you’re looking at recruiting through the lens of 2022. I’m 100% sure you didn’t care about Saban’s evaluations in 2008. And you definitely didn’t care about Smart’s. However, back then our top guys were being recruited by the top staffs in Meyer, Tressel and even Pete Carrol. Telemaque was rumored to USC until nsd. Those coaches wanted them. And we were championing our recruiting wins because we won those battles against those schools.

As for now, recruiting is different. The game is played different. Some players would be ranked higher and some lower based on their skillset and the trend of the game. At 6’2 200 running a 4.6 AJ probably wouldn’t be that high. However, Streeter at 6’6 200 running a 4.4 would probably be a 4 star. I was a huge Pat Hill fan but he played full back. He more than likely isn’t a fbs or fcs prospect in 2022 because his position is rarely used. Btw we signed 2 full backs in 08 which was wild. That’s mismanagement.
 
gogeta4 said:
You couldve redshirted an played in games back then to.
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Yea but they had to come up with some type of injury. Now you don’t have to be injured. I remember reading in 07 about Wiggins. He claimed the staff tried to have him falsify some work and claim he was injured to get redshirted or something. Now you can play 4 games and is still eligible to RS.
 
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Umfire87 said:


Sean Spence was a beast
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Sean Spence, due to his size was the kind of guy that has a limited NFL future. That said, he was a **** good college player and would have been a superstar under a staff worth a ****. Dude had mental game on lock and was a sure tackler. I've never seen a guy diagnose and attack a play like Sean, the dude knew what teams were running before they broke the huddle. He would have been dynamic as **** in this modern era, where teams are a lot more tempo based. Then again, had Spence come along today, he would have been an amazing striker type, a lot of schools weren't doing that stuff a decade ago.
 
Canedude08 said:
Sean Spence, due to his size was the kind of guy that has a limited NFL future. That said, he was a **** good college player and would have been a superstar under a staff worth a ****. Dude had mental game on lock and was a sure tackler. I've never seen a guy diagnose and attack a play like Sean, the dude knew what teams were running before they broke the huddle. He would have been dynamic as **** in this modern era, where teams are a lot more tempo based. Then again, had Spence come along today, he would have been an amazing striker type, a lot of schools weren't doing that stuff a decade ago.
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Sean is bigger than Lavante David though. His undoing in the nfl was the knee injury...he was coming around to getting back to it and would always get another injury.
 
Canesfan_134 said:
Brown did decent at Kansas State. The big kicker with him was his brother Bryce was the #1 recruit in the nation in the 09 class. So at that time it was looked at like we was gonna land him as well. He was drawing Adrian Peterson comparisons for whatever unknown reason. Went to Tennessee and didn’t do s***
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My brotha, Arthur did more than decent at KSU. Lol

-B12 DPOY
-1st Team AA
-1st B12 2x

Parlayed that to a 2nd round draft grade. Injuries derailed his career b4 it even started. Nevertheless, he was really good in college.
 
This class of ‘08 was definitely a top heavy, overrated class. I believe this same class in today’s recruiting era would’ve been top 10, not #1.

This class was unbelievably top heavy.

1. It had 32! players in this class.
By comparison:
2. ND - 23
3. Bama - 30
4. USC - 20
5. UF - 22
6. OU - 19
7. UGA - 25
8. UT - 20
9. OSU-18
10. Clemson - 21

2. Only Bama & us had a class over 25 players. Bama’s avg. recruit ranked .9124 / us .8722

3. This OL class had 2 guys in it, both were rated 4* (Benjamin Jones & Jeremy Lewis)
-One guy barely saw action (Jones)
-One guy started on the DL before being switched to OL yr 4
(Now we see y Jacory got beat up)

4. The class had 16 blue chips & 16 non blue chips in it. We know the story of the “blue chips” of this class.
1. Harris had no OL
2. Benjamin was solid
3. Brown transferred ASAP
4. Fortson was a bust
5. Streeter was a no-show until one solid Jr yr & dipped
6. Lewis was a bust
7. Jones was a bust
8. A Johnson was a bust
9. Spence was a beast
10. Futch was a bust
11. Telemaque had one solid season (RS-So) & that was it
12. Holton was a bust as a RB & LB
13. Robinson was an inconsistent contributor
14. D Johnson went from a promising T-Fr to M.I.A
15. B Harris was solid
16. R Buchanan had a solid Jr yr & that’s it

That’s a horrible ratio. The winner of the class of ‘08 was Bama; that was the catalyst to start their championship dominance. Our ‘08 class put us behind the 8-ball further. Sad times.
 
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