0:45 of this video - WTF I HATE THIS DEFENSE

[DaU83]

:ibisroflmao:

Hilarious how you run to Golden's defense at every turn, yet you wouldn't give the same defense to Shannon. I wonder why that is?

One turned dumpster fire temple into something respectable, the other one had no similar track record. Oh one of them was also the number 2 while our program was going down the tubes.

And one of them has coached the worst defenses in school history, is 1-12 versus teams with 8 or more wins, and has had more blowout losses than any UM coach I remember, yet I see no criticism coming his way from you. You're full of it.

What matters is wins and losses.. losing by 5 counts the same as losing by 35. Our team has gotten better each year, our recruiting is good and our defensive talent is getting to where it needs to be. If al had walked into a better situation I'd be more critical this early in his tenure, he walked into a dumpster fire that randy had burning, then got smacked by the shapiro stuff. When an al golden team underperforms their talent level, I'll be worried, until then I'll be on board with Golden.

You lost me there.

Are you saying a loss is a loss? So it doesn't matter to you if a team like FSU beats us by 1 or 50 it still goes down as a loss right?

Did you play any ball in your life?

You do realize that getting blown out to a team that you could potentially see in the ACC championship game (as an example) is demoralizing to a team?

Do you realize losing a tough close game not only inspires the team but attracts big time recruits?

Big time recruits see us losing by 35 (as you put it) will look at us and say "they weak."

We lose close, tough games suddenly those same recruits are saying "I could help put Miami over the top."

So no sorry bro. A loss is not a loss. Our scheme sucks and Golden has been saying "We have to fix it" for 3 years going on 4.

The worst part is he knows it's a problem but he can't fix it because he doesn't know how? Great coach eh?

Golden can have a 3 deep of AA's and people will still come up with excuses for him.

Think about all of the teams that we have faced with less talent than we have. A lot of them have managed to keep the games close.

Some teams have beat us (Duke, Virginia, Maryland) [Maryland won only 1 game vs a FBS opponent that year by the way.]

Why is it that we cannot even come close (forget winning) to beating those teams with equal or better talent?

Why is it that we get blown out every single f'n time? Have you ever seen this?

Has anyone seen ONE GAME in the Golden tenure where we dominated a game on defense and left you thinking "oh so that's what we will look like once we get the right guys in our system?"

ONE? NO? I didn't think so.

i would respond to your post, but you used the maryland game as an example.. anyone who uses the maryland game as an example simply just doesn't have a clue. you can't lose a ton of your starters.. and expect to beat a team with a bunch of scrub back ups.. maybe if this was 01 where our backups were studs it'd be different.. but that wasn't the case.

 

[rok]

Maryland went 2-10 that year

 

[GhostofVenice01]

LOL@ DAU83 getting ran out of the WEZ but still posts here

 

[BigDikCane]

It's just plain sad that we have to watch this same defense for one more year.. I'm not even excited about this season... F**k U Golden..

 

[pb5cane]

 

[FullyERicht]

In nearly every 3-4 defense, OLBs (which is what AQM and McCord are), play zone coverage and pattern match (which means take the man who enters your zone man-man). Watch a 49ers game, and you'll see Aldon Smith in coverage quite often.

The issue isn't the scheme. It's the teaching and coaching of it, which IMO is a combination of several things:

- unless your players don't have to go to class at all (like at Bama or FSU), or you are recruiting the brightest kids in FBS (like Stanford and ND), there simply isn't enough time in the week to have 18-22 year olds learn a hybrid 3-4 defense. AQM is not a pro, and should be spending what precious time he has learning to react to various blocks in the run game, master pass rush moves, and recall all the twists/stunts in the system. When you add in pattern match zone coverage and zone blitzes (which are very hard to teach kids), you are taking time away from the mastery of the aforementioned D-line skills.

-Al Golden bit off more than he could swallow coming here; recruiting, press, big time rivalries......the guy wasn't ready for this gig, and when u aren't ready, your ability to run systems is dramatically diminished. Same thing with as with Randy.

- our coaches are young, and haven't learned how to effectively teach a complex playbook

- South Florida players come from the simplest of systems, with little to no experience in anything that requires mental reps

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

One turned dumpster fire temple into something respectable, the other one had no similar track record. Oh one of them was also the number 2 while our program was going down the tubes.

And one of them has coached the worst defenses in school history, is 1-12 versus teams with 8 or more wins, and has had more blowout losses than any UM coach I remember, yet I see no criticism coming his way from you. You're full of it.

What matters is wins and losses.. losing by 5 counts the same as losing by 35. Our team has gotten better each year, our recruiting is good and our defensive talent is getting to where it needs to be. If al had walked into a better situation I'd be more critical this early in his tenure, he walked into a dumpster fire that randy had burning, then got smacked by the shapiro stuff. When an al golden team underperforms their talent level, I'll be worried, until then I'll be on board with Golden.

You lost me there.

Are you saying a loss is a loss? So it doesn't matter to you if a team like FSU beats us by 1 or 50 it still goes down as a loss right?

Did you play any ball in your life?

You do realize that getting blown out to a team that you could potentially see in the ACC championship game (as an example) is demoralizing to a team?

Do you realize losing a tough close game not only inspires the team but attracts big time recruits?

Big time recruits see us losing by 35 (as you put it) will look at us and say "they weak."

We lose close, tough games suddenly those same recruits are saying "I could help put Miami over the top."

So no sorry bro. A loss is not a loss. Our scheme sucks and Golden has been saying "We have to fix it" for 3 years going on 4.

The worst part is he knows it's a problem but he can't fix it because he doesn't know how? Great coach eh?

Golden can have a 3 deep of AA's and people will still come up with excuses for him.

Think about all of the teams that we have faced with less talent than we have. A lot of them have managed to keep the games close.

Some teams have beat us (Duke, Virginia, Maryland) [Maryland won only 1 game vs a FBS opponent that year by the way.]

Why is it that we cannot even come close (forget winning) to beating those teams with equal or better talent?

Why is it that we get blown out every single f'n time? Have you ever seen this?

Has anyone seen ONE GAME in the Golden tenure where we dominated a game on defense and left you thinking "oh so that's what we will look like once we get the right guys in our system?"

ONE? NO? I didn't think so.

i would respond to your post, but you used the maryland game as an example.. anyone who uses the maryland game as an example simply just doesn't have a clue. you can't lose a ton of your starters.. and expect to beat a team with a bunch of scrub back ups.. maybe if this was 01 where our backups were studs it'd be different.. but that wasn't the case.

So unless you have the once-in-a-lifetime talent level of the 01 Canes, you cannot expect to beat an absolutely horrible ACC team with backups? Are you basically saying that our backups had worse than 2-10 type talent? Oh my.

 

[BWCD]

In nearly every 3-4 defense, OLBs (which is what AQM and McCord are), play zone coverage and pattern match (which means take the man who enters your zone man-man). Watch a 49ers game, and you'll see Aldon Smith in coverage quite often.

The issue isn't the scheme. It's the teaching and coaching of it, which IMO is a combination of several things:

- unless your players don't have to go to class at all (like at Bama or FSU), or you are recruiting the brightest kids in FBS (like Stanford and ND), there simply isn't enough time in the week to have 18-22 year olds learn a hybrid 3-4 defense. AQM is not a pro, and should be spending what precious time he has learning to react to various blocks in the run game, master pass rush moves, and recall all the twists/stunts in the system. When you add in pattern match zone coverage and zone blitzes (which are very hard to teach kids), you are taking time away from the mastery of the aforementioned D-line skills.

-Al Golden bit off more than he could swallow coming here; recruiting, press, big time rivalries......the guy wasn't ready for this gig, and when u aren't ready, your ability to run systems is dramatically diminished. Same thing with as with Randy.

- our coaches are young, and haven't learned how to effectively teach a complex playbook

- South Florida players come from the simplest of systems, with little to no experience in anything that requires mental reps

Co-sign all of this. Good post.

 

[Bigtip]

I have no idea how any Cane fan can defend that ridiculous defensive scheme, it is the most asinine thing I have ever seen. The worst thing about that game is that yes the D was utterly putrid, but the O was just as bad. We have 2 of the most clueless coordinators in all of CFB, we are so screwed.

hey bro - Al Goldens is gonna be more hands on this year bro. hes got this bro

14-0

 

[RiDLer80]

i would respond to your post, but you used the maryland game as an example.. anyone who uses the maryland game as an example simply just doesn't have a clue. you can't lose a ton of your starters.. and expect to beat a team with a bunch of scrub back ups.. maybe if this was 01 where our backups were studs it'd be different.. but that wasn't the case.

So unless you have the once-in-a-lifetime talent level of the 01 Canes, you cannot expect to beat an absolutely horrible ACC team with backups? Are you basically saying that our backups had worse than 2-10 type talent? Oh my.

I've completely stopped mentioning the Maryland game with arguing with that trog. He shuts down every time that game is brought up. There are too many examples of our defense getting worked in the same way over and over to keep going back to that game. It may be the first example we have of Golden getting his **** pushed in, but it leaves LRG with a convenient out in arguments when it's brought up. We can pick several games from every season Golden's been here to prove our point.

 

[RiDLer80]

One turned dumpster fire temple into something respectable, the other one had no similar track record. Oh one of them was also the number 2 while our program was going down the tubes.

And one of them has coached the worst defenses in school history, is 1-12 versus teams with 8 or more wins, and has had more blowout losses than any UM coach I remember, yet I see no criticism coming his way from you. You're full of it.

What matters is wins and losses.. losing by 5 counts the same as losing by 35. Our team has gotten better each year, our recruiting is good and our defensive talent is getting to where it needs to be. If al had walked into a better situation I'd be more critical this early in his tenure, he walked into a dumpster fire that randy had burning, then got smacked by the shapiro stuff. When an al golden team underperforms their talent level, I'll be worried, until then I'll be on board with Golden.

Really?

Ask Jerry Faust and the Notre Dame team we slaughtered 58-7 if that was the same as losing by five.

It made all the newspapers and we were criticized for weeks after dishing out that old-fashioned-country-***-whipping.

We get it. Reality matters not - but when you make a statement like that, it just ruins everything else you may with to convey.

did it count as more than one loss?

You can't be this dense. Do you really think recruits view an *** whooping the same as they view a nail-biter loss that comes down to the wire?

 

[Bigtip]

I'm 99% sure that DerpU83 has had a lobotomy

 

[DaU83]

Maryland went 2-10 that year

we won 4 more games than them... and we played them with our back ups.. i feel like you think you have a point, but no one knows what it is.

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

i would respond to your post, but you used the maryland game as an example.. anyone who uses the maryland game as an example simply just doesn't have a clue. you can't lose a ton of your starters.. and expect to beat a team with a bunch of scrub back ups.. maybe if this was 01 where our backups were studs it'd be different.. but that wasn't the case.

So unless you have the once-in-a-lifetime talent level of the 01 Canes, you cannot expect to beat an absolutely horrible ACC team with backups? Are you basically saying that our backups had worse than 2-10 type talent? Oh my.

I've completely stopped mentioning the Maryland game with arguing with that trog. He shuts down every time that game is brought up. There are too many examples of our defense getting worked in the same way over and over to keep going back to that game. It may be the first example we have of Golden getting his **** pushed in, but it leaves LRG with a convenient out in arguments when it's brought up. We can pick several games from every season Golden's been here to prove our point.

Right. 1st game against Maryland with backups looks the same as 3rd year against Louisville with all of our starters on defense. But yeah, the backs ups caused everything.

 

[GhostofVenice01]

"What if......and bear with me here............we make our O line have splits 4 yards apart............"






Said some nobody OC from Wake who worked our ***

 

[DaU83]

And one of them has coached the worst defenses in school history, is 1-12 versus teams with 8 or more wins, and has had more blowout losses than any UM coach I remember, yet I see no criticism coming his way from you. You're full of it.

What matters is wins and losses.. losing by 5 counts the same as losing by 35. Our team has gotten better each year, our recruiting is good and our defensive talent is getting to where it needs to be. If al had walked into a better situation I'd be more critical this early in his tenure, he walked into a dumpster fire that randy had burning, then got smacked by the shapiro stuff. When an al golden team underperforms their talent level, I'll be worried, until then I'll be on board with Golden.

You lost me there.

Are you saying a loss is a loss? So it doesn't matter to you if a team like FSU beats us by 1 or 50 it still goes down as a loss right?

Did you play any ball in your life?

You do realize that getting blown out to a team that you could potentially see in the ACC championship game (as an example) is demoralizing to a team?

Do you realize losing a tough close game not only inspires the team but attracts big time recruits?

Big time recruits see us losing by 35 (as you put it) will look at us and say "they weak."

We lose close, tough games suddenly those same recruits are saying "I could help put Miami over the top."

So no sorry bro. A loss is not a loss. Our scheme sucks and Golden has been saying "We have to fix it" for 3 years going on 4.

The worst part is he knows it's a problem but he can't fix it because he doesn't know how? Great coach eh?

Golden can have a 3 deep of AA's and people will still come up with excuses for him.

Think about all of the teams that we have faced with less talent than we have. A lot of them have managed to keep the games close.

Some teams have beat us (Duke, Virginia, Maryland) [Maryland won only 1 game vs a FBS opponent that year by the way.]

Why is it that we cannot even come close (forget winning) to beating those teams with equal or better talent?

Why is it that we get blown out every single f'n time? Have you ever seen this?

Has anyone seen ONE GAME in the Golden tenure where we dominated a game on defense and left you thinking "oh so that's what we will look like once we get the right guys in our system?"

ONE? NO? I didn't think so.

i would respond to your post, but you used the maryland game as an example.. anyone who uses the maryland game as an example simply just doesn't have a clue. you can't lose a ton of your starters.. and expect to beat a team with a bunch of scrub back ups.. maybe if this was 01 where our backups were studs it'd be different.. but that wasn't the case.

So unless you have the once-in-a-lifetime talent level of the 01 Canes, you cannot expect to beat an absolutely horrible ACC team with backups? Are you basically saying that our backups had worse than 2-10 type talent? Oh my.

absolutely. we weren't that good to begin with.. that was a 6-7 win team AT BEST .. with all of the starters... if we were missing all of the players from that game for the entire season.. we're probably 4 or 5 win team that year. Logic dictates that has to be taken into account.

 

[GhostofVenice01]

LOL@ DAU83 getting ran out of the WEZ but still posts here

haven't even posted in the WEZ since it was moved to it's own site..

a.k.a they posted pictures of your ugly *** and you *****ed up and left............

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

What matters is wins and losses.. losing by 5 counts the same as losing by 35. Our team has gotten better each year, our recruiting is good and our defensive talent is getting to where it needs to be. If al had walked into a better situation I'd be more critical this early in his tenure, he walked into a dumpster fire that randy had burning, then got smacked by the shapiro stuff. When an al golden team underperforms their talent level, I'll be worried, until then I'll be on board with Golden.

You lost me there.

Are you saying a loss is a loss? So it doesn't matter to you if a team like FSU beats us by 1 or 50 it still goes down as a loss right?

Did you play any ball in your life?

You do realize that getting blown out to a team that you could potentially see in the ACC championship game (as an example) is demoralizing to a team?

Do you realize losing a tough close game not only inspires the team but attracts big time recruits?

Big time recruits see us losing by 35 (as you put it) will look at us and say "they weak."

We lose close, tough games suddenly those same recruits are saying "I could help put Miami over the top."

So no sorry bro. A loss is not a loss. Our scheme sucks and Golden has been saying "We have to fix it" for 3 years going on 4.

The worst part is he knows it's a problem but he can't fix it because he doesn't know how? Great coach eh?

Golden can have a 3 deep of AA's and people will still come up with excuses for him.

Think about all of the teams that we have faced with less talent than we have. A lot of them have managed to keep the games close.

Some teams have beat us (Duke, Virginia, Maryland) [Maryland won only 1 game vs a FBS opponent that year by the way.]

Why is it that we cannot even come close (forget winning) to beating those teams with equal or better talent?

Why is it that we get blown out every single f'n time? Have you ever seen this?

Has anyone seen ONE GAME in the Golden tenure where we dominated a game on defense and left you thinking "oh so that's what we will look like once we get the right guys in our system?"

ONE? NO? I didn't think so.

i would respond to your post, but you used the maryland game as an example.. anyone who uses the maryland game as an example simply just doesn't have a clue. you can't lose a ton of your starters.. and expect to beat a team with a bunch of scrub back ups.. maybe if this was 01 where our backups were studs it'd be different.. but that wasn't the case.

So unless you have the once-in-a-lifetime talent level of the 01 Canes, you cannot expect to beat an absolutely horrible ACC team with backups? Are you basically saying that our backups had worse than 2-10 type talent? Oh my.

absolutely. we weren't that good to begin with.. that was a 6-7 win team AT BEST .. with all of the starters... if we were missing all of the players from that game for the entire season.. we're probably 4 or 5 win team that year. Logic dictates that has to be taken into account.

Even assuming your stupid premise was true, logic dictates that a 4-5 win team is still above 2-10, which means that we had still more talent. Good job trying to "argue" your way out and making yourself look even dumber.

 

[NVA CANE]

You lost me there.

Are you saying a loss is a loss? So it doesn't matter to you if a team like FSU beats us by 1 or 50 it still goes down as a loss right?

Did you play any ball in your life?

You do realize that getting blown out to a team that you could potentially see in the ACC championship game (as an example) is demoralizing to a team?

Do you realize losing a tough close game not only inspires the team but attracts big time recruits?

Big time recruits see us losing by 35 (as you put it) will look at us and say "they weak."

We lose close, tough games suddenly those same recruits are saying "I could help put Miami over the top."

So no sorry bro. A loss is not a loss. Our scheme sucks and Golden has been saying "We have to fix it" for 3 years going on 4.

The worst part is he knows it's a problem but he can't fix it because he doesn't know how? Great coach eh?

Golden can have a 3 deep of AA's and people will still come up with excuses for him.

Think about all of the teams that we have faced with less talent than we have. A lot of them have managed to keep the games close.

Some teams have beat us (Duke, Virginia, Maryland) [Maryland won only 1 game vs a FBS opponent that year by the way.]

Why is it that we cannot even come close (forget winning) to beating those teams with equal or better talent?

Why is it that we get blown out every single f'n time? Have you ever seen this?

Has anyone seen ONE GAME in the Golden tenure where we dominated a game on defense and left you thinking "oh so that's what we will look like once we get the right guys in our system?"

ONE? NO? I didn't think so.

i would respond to your post, but you used the maryland game as an example.. anyone who uses the maryland game as an example simply just doesn't have a clue. you can't lose a ton of your starters.. and expect to beat a team with a bunch of scrub back ups.. maybe if this was 01 where our backups were studs it'd be different.. but that wasn't the case.

So unless you have the once-in-a-lifetime talent level of the 01 Canes, you cannot expect to beat an absolutely horrible ACC team with backups? Are you basically saying that our backups had worse than 2-10 type talent? Oh my.

absolutely. we weren't that good to begin with.. that was a 6-7 win team AT BEST .. with all of the starters... if we were missing all of the players from that game for the entire season.. we're probably 4 or 5 win team that year. Logic dictates that has to be taken into account.

Even assuming your stupid premise was true, logic dictates that a 4-5 win team is still above 2-10, which means that we had still more talent. Good job trying to "argue" your way out and making yourself look even dumber.

We were the only D1 team they beat that year. Maryland was so bad that year the only other team they beat was Towson. LMAO. And yet with 5 to 7 players out we couldn't handle that juggernaut of a program. Oh and shocker we gave up 499 yards in that game. DaU83 going full ******.

 

[AUcane]

In nearly every 3-4 defense, OLBs (which is what AQM and McCord are), play zone coverage and pattern match (which means take the man who enters your zone man-man). Watch a 49ers game, and you'll see Aldon Smith in coverage quite often.

The issue isn't the scheme. It's the teaching and coaching of it, which IMO is a combination of several things:

- unless your players don't have to go to class at all (like at Bama or FSU), or you are recruiting the brightest kids in FBS (like Stanford and ND), there simply isn't enough time in the week to have 18-22 year olds learn a hybrid 3-4 defense. AQM is not a pro, and should be spending what precious time he has learning to react to various blocks in the run game, master pass rush moves, and recall all the twists/stunts in the system. When you add in pattern match zone coverage and zone blitzes (which are very hard to teach kids), you are taking time away from the mastery of the aforementioned D-line skills.

-Al Golden bit off more than he could swallow coming here; recruiting, press, big time rivalries......the guy wasn't ready for this gig, and when u aren't ready, your ability to run systems is dramatically diminished. Same thing with as with Randy.

- our coaches are young, and haven't learned how to effectively teach a complex playbook

- South Florida players come from the simplest of systems, with little to no experience in anything that requires mental reps

The excuse making in this post is on another level. Bravo, sir.

Let me make sure I understand your points...you're saying the scheme is fine, it's the coaching of it that's the issue. Also contributing to this issue is that our kids go to class and thus can't learn the system like at Bama or FSU where they don't go to class.

Our coaches are young and haven't learned how to teach this scheme, thus they've been coaching it for the past 4 years? And lastly, south florida kids are dumb and can't learn the system yet they don't have issues at UF or FSU.

You are both blaming the coaches and exonerating the coaches. Well done. You're basically have excuses built for Golden and staff for the rest of his tenure.

Potato.