Meh it’s close enough that it could go either way. If you add the student side of things then there is no debate. My guess is 10 years from now McKenzie will feel very fortunate to be Mr. Berrios limo driver.McKenzie also left as a Junior.
I'm not gonna get into this debate again. Anybody who thinks McKenzie wouldn't have been a huge value to us is silly. Berrios had a great Senior year but before that this wasn't even a discussion.
Before that he missed most of a season, and was playing out of position. If he had 4 years in the slot..... Oh well.
Get off the homer act for one second and be objective.
Coming out of high school they weren't even in the same stratosphere. Hindsight is 20/20.
Heritage had a legitimate gripe regarding McKenzie and Dowels to be honest.
Not even trying to prove one point or another. Just look how close these two were.
Berrios vs McKenzie
ESPN:
Berrios 289 overall
McKenzie 286 overall
Rivals:
Berrios 5.8 #39 WR
McKenzie 5.8 #35 WR
247:
Berrios: 277 overall, #42 WR
McKenzie: 151 overall, #23 WR
Scout, in typical scout fashion, must have hated both of them, because their composite scores are not even close to the 3 listed above.
Testing results:
Berrios: 5’9/181
McKenzie: 5’8/160
40 yard dash
Berrios: 4.52
McKenzie: 4.56
20 yard shuttle
Berrios: 3.81
McKenzie: 4.54
Vertical
Berrios: 40
McKenzie: 36
Power Throw
Berrios: 38
McKenzie: 35
SPARQ Rating
Berrios: 131.37
McKenzie: 87.84
Point is, even the recruiting services had these 2 very close and we had the worst head coach in Miami history doing evaluations.
FFS, move on.
STFU. Don't like the discussion then don't read it.
you are incapable of letting anything go....must be a joy to hang out with. Grow up. You don't have to beat your opinion into everyone's head. You come across as a bitter little kid.
And you come across as a whiny *****. Him and I are having discussion. If I'm not "letting ago" then what is he doing? (the same thing)
STFU.
It's a DISCUSSION...And I'm done. I only had a problem with his "legitimate gripe" stance.
It's done.
Thanks for info as usual, Macho. I was not attacking you, not that you care if I was.
Meh it’s close enough that it could go either way. If you add the student side of things then there is no debate. My guess is 10 years from now McKenzie will feel very fortunate to be Mr. Berrios limo driver.Before that he missed most of a season, and was playing out of position. If he had 4 years in the slot..... Oh well.
Get off the homer act for one second and be objective.
Coming out of high school they weren't even in the same stratosphere. Hindsight is 20/20.
Heritage had a legitimate gripe regarding McKenzie and Dowels to be honest.
Not even trying to prove one point or another. Just look how close these two were.
Berrios vs McKenzie
ESPN:
Berrios 289 overall
McKenzie 286 overall
Rivals:
Berrios 5.8 #39 WR
McKenzie 5.8 #35 WR
247:
Berrios: 277 overall, #42 WR
McKenzie: 151 overall, #23 WR
Scout, in typical scout fashion, must have hated both of them, because their composite scores are not even close to the 3 listed above.
Testing results:
Berrios: 5’9/181
McKenzie: 5’8/160
40 yard dash
Berrios: 4.52
McKenzie: 4.56
20 yard shuttle
Berrios: 3.81
McKenzie: 4.54
Vertical
Berrios: 40
McKenzie: 36
Power Throw
Berrios: 38
McKenzie: 35
SPARQ Rating
Berrios: 131.37
McKenzie: 87.84
Point is, even the recruiting services had these 2 very close and we had the worst head coach in Miami history doing evaluations.
Except there was one thing that Sparq couldn't measure...
The fact that McKenzie was running circles around everybody on AH's schedule including loaded Dade County teams.
Coaches don't use those numbers to extend offers.
[MENTION=16725]fran[/MENTION]kTheFa99otGuys, NOBODY knows anything with these kids. I’ve said that from the beginning.
Miami coaches have gone stealth for a reason, so let them do what they get paid to do.
You will NOT hear anything on these kids unless THEY decide to leak it.
@Corch Nacho
You write short stories in your comments thinking that most people value your input. It's quite comical.
Guys, NOBODY knows anything with these kids. I’ve said that from the beginning.
Miami coaches have gone stealth for a reason, so let them do what they get paid to do.
You will NOT hear anything on these kids unless THEY decide to leak it.
Meh it’s close enough that it could go either way. If you add the student side of things then there is no debate. My guess is 10 years from now McKenzie will feel very fortunate to be Mr. Berrios limo driver.
Get off the homer act for one second and be objective.
Coming out of high school they weren't even in the same stratosphere. Hindsight is 20/20.
Heritage had a legitimate gripe regarding McKenzie and Dowels to be honest.
Not even trying to prove one point or another. Just look how close these two were.
Berrios vs McKenzie
ESPN:
Berrios 289 overall
McKenzie 286 overall
Rivals:
Berrios 5.8 #39 WR
McKenzie 5.8 #35 WR
247:
Berrios: 277 overall, #42 WR
McKenzie: 151 overall, #23 WR
Scout, in typical scout fashion, must have hated both of them, because their composite scores are not even close to the 3 listed above.
Testing results:
Berrios: 5’9/181
McKenzie: 5’8/160
40 yard dash
Berrios: 4.52
McKenzie: 4.56
20 yard shuttle
Berrios: 3.81
McKenzie: 4.54
Vertical
Berrios: 40
McKenzie: 36
Power Throw
Berrios: 38
McKenzie: 35
SPARQ Rating
Berrios: 131.37
McKenzie: 87.84
Point is, even the recruiting services had these 2 very close and we had the worst head coach in Miami history doing evaluations.
Except there was one thing that Sparq couldn't measure...
The fact that McKenzie was running circles around everybody on AH's schedule including loaded Dade County teams.
Coaches don't use those numbers to extend offers.
lol two words: Al Golden. Nothing would surprise me about that *******.
Meh it’s close enough that it could go either way. If you add the student side of things then there is no debate. My guess is 10 years from now McKenzie will feel very fortunate to be Mr. Berrios limo driver.Before that he missed most of a season, and was playing out of position. If he had 4 years in the slot..... Oh well.
Get off the homer act for one second and be objective.
Coming out of high school they weren't even in the same stratosphere. Hindsight is 20/20.
Heritage had a legitimate gripe regarding McKenzie and Dowels to be honest.
Not even trying to prove one point or another. Just look how close these two were.
Berrios vs McKenzie
ESPN:
Berrios 289 overall
McKenzie 286 overall
Rivals:
Berrios 5.8 #39 WR
McKenzie 5.8 #35 WR
247:
Berrios: 277 overall, #42 WR
McKenzie: 151 overall, #23 WR
Scout, in typical scout fashion, must have hated both of them, because their composite scores are not even close to the 3 listed above.
Testing results:
Berrios: 5’9/181
McKenzie: 5’8/160
40 yard dash
Berrios: 4.52
McKenzie: 4.56
20 yard shuttle
Berrios: 3.81
McKenzie: 4.54
Vertical
Berrios: 40
McKenzie: 36
Power Throw
Berrios: 38
McKenzie: 35
SPARQ Rating
Berrios: 131.37
McKenzie: 87.84
Point is, even the recruiting services had these 2 very close and we had the worst head coach in Miami history doing evaluations.
Except there was one thing that Sparq couldn't measure...
The fact that McKenzie was running circles around everybody on AH's schedule including loaded Dade County teams.
Coaches don't use those numbers to extend offers.
Still waiting for any semblance of news or update that is supposed to make us believe we are in this outside of some posters on a message board saying we are...
So you’ve ignored every update from Ivins and UGA writers?
UGA writers don't think we have a chance. Rivals. ESPN. Outside sources. There is no consistent buzz or really mention of us for them outside of this board. Either Ivins and DSJ are the only 2 people on Earth that know they are coming outside of the families, or we are really trying to make ourselves believe we are going to pull it off. There isn't enough smoke around interest as of right now to believe we get them. The OVs are great - I don't want to discount that. But I just don't believe in a covert recruitment/commitment scenario like what is being presented. It's been almost a month since anyone said we had a chance. Even Pete said he didn't think we get either of them. If your stance is reasonable then so is mine given the information available.
Well you aren't going to like this but I figure someone is going to ask for the info.
Cane Sport just put out an update after talking to two separate sources regarding the American Heritage kids.
Silvera: 100% Cane per both sources.
Chatfield: Between Miami and UF and both sources claim that he's going to pick Florida.
Surtain: One source says LSU is the favorite while the other said Bama but both said they doubt Miami even has a chance.
Campbell: One source said that it's Georgia, Bama and Miami in that order and the other source said 100% chance he ISN'T going to Miami
They asked one of the sources why Miami is having trouble with American Heritage kids and the source mentioned that AH wasn't happy with Miami offering Berrios over McKenzie back in 2014 or when they didn't offer Michel's brother. Said that Miami offers the elite guys at the school but doesn't extend offers to the plan B guys but extend offers to questionable players at other locations.
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Reading the last part seems pretty dumb considering it was a different coaching staff that made those choices. Either way, that's the update from Canesport this morning so do with that what you will.
[MENTION=16725]fran[/MENTION]kTheFa99otGuys, NOBODY knows anything with these kids. I’ve said that from the beginning.
Miami coaches have gone stealth for a reason, so let them do what they get paid to do.
You will NOT hear anything on these kids unless THEY decide to leak it.
@Corch Nacho
You write short stories in your comments thinking that most people value your input. It's quite comical.
Almost as comical as you calling yourself a tank.
[MENTION=16725]fran[/MENTION]kTheFa99otGuys, NOBODY knows anything with these kids. I’ve said that from the beginning.
Miami coaches have gone stealth for a reason, so let them do what they get paid to do.
You will NOT hear anything on these kids unless THEY decide to leak it.
@Corch Nacho
You write short stories in your comments thinking that most people value your input. It's quite comical.
Almost as comical as you calling yourself a tank.
If said kid has offers from UGA, Clemson, UF, FSU, etc...
Then it might be a legitimate gripe. Again, that's not happening now but it happened a lot under Golden. We ignored kids with offers like that in favor of kids with offers from Akron.
Golden made a lot of mistakes, that's why isn't here...But name 3 other kids (Quincy Wilson is obv one of them) that could have committed to GA, CU, UF, FSU that UM didn't offer. I'll wait.
Those schools aren't the only measuring sticks, I just mentioned them off the top of my head. We've passed on local kids that offers from teams like South Carolina who went on to college and produced. (or other top-25 teams) Golden passed on them for kids that had offers from Akron, Duke, and teams like that.
Dowels had offers from Clemson, Oklahoma and Texas A&M.
Skai Moore went to South Carolina and balled. No offer from Golden.
When we were at a shortage for DB's, there were South FLA kids all over the country starting at DB who we passed on.
****, I would've taken Dedrick Nichols over some of the scrubs Golden signed.
FFS, move on.
STFU. Don't like the discussion then don't read it.
Well you aren't going to like this but I figure someone is going to ask for the info.
Cane Sport just put out an update after talking to two separate sources regarding the American Heritage kids.
Silvera: 100% Cane per both sources.
Chatfield: Between Miami and UF and both sources claim that he's going to pick Florida.
Surtain: One source says LSU is the favorite while the other said Bama but both said they doubt Miami even has a chance.
Campbell: One source said that it's Georgia, Bama and Miami in that order and the other source said 100% chance he ISN'T going to Miami
They asked one of the sources why Miami is having trouble with American Heritage kids and the source mentioned that AH wasn't happy with Miami offering Berrios over McKenzie back in 2014 or when they didn't offer Michel's brother. Said that Miami offers the elite guys at the school but doesn't extend offers to the plan B guys but extend offers to questionable players at other locations.
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Reading the last part seems pretty dumb considering it was a different coaching staff that made those choices. Either way, that's the update from Canesport this morning so do with that what you will.
Thanks for sharing the exact same news we have heard over the last month.. I really appreciate it.