You guys drive me nuts! Get some perspective.

[rok]

The fact is we need to recruit better to elevate ourselves to that level we all want to be at. This year's class is a good start. We need to stack a few classes in a row like that though.

This is what it all boils down to. Without top shelf talent we will go nowhere.

 

[drifters1234]

I hope to God we win aganist Pitt, otherwise this forum will go to ****, even more than it already has.

And rightfully so. Worst schedule in many many years. And two to three wins gifted to us.

To be fair, the VT loss was gifted to them, so it works both ways. And there's no way we lose to Duke if we had either beaten VT or if Randy Johnson hadn't been injured.

So it works both ways.

We could be anything from a six or seven win team to an eleven win team this year. We are what we are this year.

The good news is our offense is pretty legit, at least when Duke is playing. We're really missing him right now.

So using this same logic the UVA game was "gifted" to us as was the UF game, hmmmm!

Was Duke Johnson going to stop VT from scoring on like 3rd or 4th & 10+?

Was Duke Johnson going to stop B. Conette from scoring 5 Td's and the running D giving up 358?!

You can't use that "x happened with team A, so team B will be able to do it too" rhetoric in football. It's been proven wrong all too often.

First of all, I never said our defense was any good. Second, I said we were gifted 2 to 3 games, just like VT was gifted their game.

We have a top 5 offense when Duke is playing, and our defense is easily in the bottom half of the 120 FBS teams. Probably in the mid 80's, so ******* really bad.

So what I'm saying is we deserve our record of 8-3, we have a good offense, and a bad defense. The obvious answer to my mind is to make some changes on defense after the season is over and the decision makers have a chance to evaluate options.

"[T]op 5 offense"??? Maybe in the ACC, maybe. We sure as **** do not have a top 5 offense nationally, irrespective of Duke, Dorsett, or any other injuries.

 

[ball915]

When watching our games do you truly feel we are 8-3? Has a feeling of 5-5 at best and that is why this board is in uproar. We struggle with lousy teams and make them look good. Games that matter most we get embarrassed back to back weeks and have gone another year not winning the weak coastal division. We didn't expect a national championship this year but coastal or bust was realistic. We look worse than we did last year and our regression is what we are ****ed about.

That's not how I see it at all man.

Under Randy, we used to beat teams that were better than us and lose to teams we had no business losing to. We overachieved and underachieved.

This year, we handled every team with a losing record, and lost to the three teams that were better than us. And yes, Duke is better than us this year without Johnson and Dorsett.

We've been the same team every week. Unfortunately for us canes fans and our lofty expectations, we're just not that good of a football team right now.

We have lofty goals because it is Miami and expect excellence. If you don't than you aren't a real Cane. Sure there is a reality factor to it and that is why a National Championship is not what we expected. However, we allowed an average UNC to dominate the game with one player, squeak by a below average Wake Forest team at home, make an abysmal VT offense put up 42 on us at home and get spanked by Duke while giving up 350 yards rushing alone.

We are by no means the same team every week. We came out guns blazing, energized and fired up vs Florida. In every ACC game except FSU we have come out flat, uninterested and sluggish. GT, UNC, Wake, FSU, VT and Duke have all had DOUBLE DIGIT leads on us. That is a blueprint for a bad team and I can not believe you think that Duke and VT is better than us. Agree that Duke is better than they have been in the past but good god their players are not better than ours. We beat 1 team under Randy that was better than us which was a Bradfordless OU. The true character of a Randy Shannon team was seen at the Sun Bowl with more concerns of staying warm and throwing snowballs.

We're not as good as you think we are right now man. We're on North Carolina, VT, Duke's level. You call North Carolina average, WE'RE average. There's a lot of parity in the ACC Coastal right now.

We were not the better team against Florida. That was one of the games we were gifted. They ran the ball down our throats, and we couldn't move the ball on them, they just turned the ball over too many times. Hey, I'll take it.

The fact is we need to recruit better to elevate ourselves to that level we all want to be at. This year's class is a good start. We need to stack a few classes in a row like that though.

Agree with some of it. The reason we are at the average level is 3 reasons

1. remainder of Randy's garbage
2. failure to develop talent with current staff
3. current staff's inability to recruit all positions (chasing kids after signing day to plug up holes like Gilbert and Renfrow)

Golden is playing enough of his players to get better results but has yet to develop them to their potential. We have gotten worse every week this season and a lot of that has to do with a coaching staff that is not doing things the right way on that front

 

[hcanes100]

**** we need a dislike button.

 

[SmokeyRone]

9-3 is a failure. 8-4 is Shannon like disaster.

 

[Ernie McCracken]

And rightfully so. Worst schedule in many many years. And two to three wins gifted to us.

To be fair, the VT loss was gifted to them, so it works both ways. And there's no way we lose to Duke if we had either beaten VT or if Randy Johnson hadn't been injured.

So it works both ways.

We could be anything from a six or seven win team to an eleven win team this year. We are what we are this year.

The good news is our offense is pretty legit, at least when Duke is playing. We're really missing him right now.

So using this same logic the UVA game was "gifted" to us as was the UF game, hmmmm!

Was Duke Johnson going to stop VT from scoring on like 3rd or 4th & 10+?

Was Duke Johnson going to stop B. Conette from scoring 5 Td's and the running D giving up 358?!

You can't use that "x happened with team A, so team B will be able to do it too" rhetoric in football. It's been proven wrong all too often.

First of all, I never said our defense was any good. Second, I said we were gifted 2 to 3 games, just like VT was gifted their game.

We have a top 5 offense when Duke is playing, and our defense is easily in the bottom half of the 120 FBS teams. Probably in the mid 80's, so ****ing really bad.

So what I'm saying is we deserve our record of 8-3, we have a good offense, and a bad defense. The obvious answer to my mind is to make some changes on defense after the season is over and the decision makers have a chance to evaluate options.

"[T]op 5 offense"??? Maybe in the ACC, maybe. We sure as **** do not have a top 5 offense nationally, irrespective of Duke, Dorsett, or any other injuries.

Yep, we sure do. You would notice it a lot more if our defense could EVER get off the ******* field and not allow EVERY drive to be a long march to the endzone, we'd put up 60 a game. But pretty much when we do get the ball, we score.

And here's the link to prove it: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/feioff2013

We're number six only because Duke and Dorsett went down. Before last week we were top 5.

 

[Ernie McCracken]

When watching our games do you truly feel we are 8-3? Has a feeling of 5-5 at best and that is why this board is in uproar. We struggle with lousy teams and make them look good. Games that matter most we get embarrassed back to back weeks and have gone another year not winning the weak coastal division. We didn't expect a national championship this year but coastal or bust was realistic. We look worse than we did last year and our regression is what we are ****ed about.

That's not how I see it at all man.

Under Randy, we used to beat teams that were better than us and lose to teams we had no business losing to. We overachieved and underachieved.

This year, we handled every team with a losing record, and lost to the three teams that were better than us. And yes, Duke is better than us this year without Johnson and Dorsett.

We've been the same team every week. Unfortunately for us canes fans and our lofty expectations, we're just not that good of a football team right now.

We have lofty goals because it is Miami and expect excellence. If you don't than you aren't a real Cane. Sure there is a reality factor to it and that is why a National Championship is not what we expected. However, we allowed an average UNC to dominate the game with one player, squeak by a below average Wake Forest team at home, make an abysmal VT offense put up 42 on us at home and get spanked by Duke while giving up 350 yards rushing alone.

We are by no means the same team every week. We came out guns blazing, energized and fired up vs Florida. In every ACC game except FSU we have come out flat, uninterested and sluggish. GT, UNC, Wake, FSU, VT and Duke have all had DOUBLE DIGIT leads on us. That is a blueprint for a bad team and I can not believe you think that Duke and VT is better than us. Agree that Duke is better than they have been in the past but good god their players are not better than ours. We beat 1 team under Randy that was better than us which was a Bradfordless OU. The true character of a Randy Shannon team was seen at the Sun Bowl with more concerns of staying warm and throwing snowballs.

We're not as good as you think we are right now man. We're on North Carolina, VT, Duke's level. You call North Carolina average, WE'RE average. There's a lot of parity in the ACC Coastal right now.

We were not the better team against Florida. That was one of the games we were gifted. They ran the ball down our throats, and we couldn't move the ball on them, they just turned the ball over too many times. Hey, I'll take it.

The fact is we need to recruit better to elevate ourselves to that level we all want to be at. This year's class is a good start. We need to stack a few classes in a row like that though.

Agree with some of it. The reason we are at the average level is 3 reasons

1. remainder of Randy's garbage
2. failure to develop talent with current staff
3. current staff's inability to recruit all positions (chasing kids after signing day to plug up holes like Gilbert and Renfrow)

Golden is playing enough of his players to get better results but has yet to develop them to their potential. We have gotten worse every week this season and a lot of that has to do with a coaching staff that is not doing things the right way on that front

I agree. We need a god**** defensive line, that's what it boils down to. That might be franklin's fault, that might be donofrio's fault, that might be that our DT's suck, it might be all of the above, but GOD**** our d line has played just **** awful.

I watched that Renfrow dude we have playing nose get pushed back at least 7 yards by the center more than once on Saturday. I mean, it was embarrassing for the kid. I could just SMH. How can you coach around that bs. Now granted, it's Golden's fault dude is even on the team and out there playing with a U on his helmet. ******* tragic, really. Kid is not Miami caliber as we know it.

Shouldn't have missed on DT's all these years. But it is what it is.

 

[Ernie McCracken]

If you're a DT, you don't even have to get penetration. That's just gravy on the cake. Just DONT GET ******* PUSHED BACK. If you can at least hold your ground, we can scheme around that. Dont get ******* pushed back.

God**** it.

 

[crossover22[]_[]]

I'm a huge golden homer. I believe he can succeed here. A big part of that will depend on if he is willing to change stuff that isn't working. The defense primarily. I font think the current system is a "miami" type system. I do believe thst he is bringing in really good talent. But the fact we haven't been able to redshirt more players has really hurt us.

We need more athletic LBs, more aggressive Safeties, get deeper at RB, find a QB that can play more then 2 years and that plays smart. I really want golden to succeed but its really all on him at this point. Can he make the hard desicions?....... can he adjust his way of thinking if its not working?...... the next 2 years will tell us all we need to know.

 

[CANE4LIFE]

Some fair points by the OP, but "perspective" cuts both ways. I agree the trashing of Golden has reached beyond obnoxious proportions. But the criticism of Donofrio is warranted IMO. He's the DC, and we have fielded two of the worst defenses in UM history here the last two seasons. That DOES warrant criticism IMO, and calls for his termination are certainly fair.

I absolutely agree that the talent level here is attrocious. I think it is hard for Donofrio to make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t. But he knew how bad the talent here is. He should have instituted a much more simple scheme, something that maximized what little talent he does have on defense. Instead, they have plowed ahead with this conversion to this 3-4 they seem **** bent on instituting. And MAYBE if we had another 2 years with the talent we ARE bringing in, it WOULD finally work, but he doesnt have that time, and neither does Golden. It wasnt that we lost to VT and Duke. Its HOW we lost. Our defense has totally collapsed, and Donofrio seems totally incapable of coming up with any solution. I know our talent is of disasterous proportions, but we have to be able to stop SOMEBODY. I mean teams are setting records against us offensively, BAD teams. Something is totally broken on our defense, and its not getting fixed.

So in the spirit of "perspective", you are correct the trashing of Golden has gone way overboard, but the criticism of Donofrio is fair, though that criticism is often over simplistic in that people think that all our problems are a simple matter of Donofrio being a terrible DC. I actually dont think he is terrible, I just dont think he's doing things right, not with what he has to work with, and he's made some CRITICAL mistakes in how he has set up his defense this year.

 

[theibisrules]

If you're a DT, you don't even have to get penetration. That's just gravy on the cake. Just DONT GET ****ING PUSHED BACK. If you can at least hold your ground, we can scheme around that. Dont get ****ing pushed back.

God**** it.

what does hold your ground mean exactly?? Stand straight up like the straw man on the wizard of oz??

 

[GrozDozer]

Who is saying fire Golden? People want D'Onofrio replaced which is fair - our defense is ******* awful and it goes above and beyond any NCAA dark clouds or whatever mess you think Randy left us in.

Here's some news for you though. Usually when you get a new coach, the reason is because the old one wasn't very good and so we're not the only program in history where the old coach left the new one a hot steaming pile.

Now that said, what is Golden going to do about the defense? That's what I want to hear this offseason.

Franchise, WTH, ZoneCane***Boy, HarryCaray, Nva Cane. Also coincides with the list of biggest ******s on the boards.

 

[theibisrules]

well ****...roll call

 

[RepTheGables]

You are what your record says you are. Ernie made a great point about underachievement in the past. I'm not talking defensive Xs and Os. Big-picture, the Canes have won close games and have a shot at the first ten-win season in years.


/still salty about the Duke loss

 

[Cal jimmy]

I am so tired of the ""**** Manny, Fire Dorito" crowd that I look at the Recruiting Board first

I see a bright future with AG

 

[CANE4LIFE]

You are what your record says you are. Ernie made a great point about underachievement in the past. I'm not talking defensive Xs and Os. Big-picture, the Canes have won close games and have a shot at the first ten-win season in years.


/still salty about the Duke loss

But that's just the thing. Are we really underachieving? Based on what? The fact that we are The U and should just be winning all the time? I agree the defense is broken, but overall, Im not sure our record is much different right now than most logical observers expected it to be pre season. IF we can manage to beat Pitt, I would say this season has gone about as expected. People just got unrealistic expectations early on. No doubt the defense is a trainwreck that needs to get fixed, but Im not sure THIS team, with these upperclassmen, is capable of a much better record than what we have now. Sure the Duke and VT games were winnable, but the talent disparity between us and those programs, at least among our upperclassmen, is not nearly what some people think it is. Yes we have more talent than Duke, but that is about the only game we lost where we clearly had better talent, and can really be said to have underachieved.

 

[RepTheGables]

You are what your record says you are. Ernie made a great point about underachievement in the past. I'm not talking defensive Xs and Os. Big-picture, the Canes have won close games and have a shot at the first ten-win season in years.


/still salty about the Duke loss

But that's just the thing. Are we really underachieving? Based on what? The fact that we are The U and should just be winning all the time? I agree the defense is broken, but overall, Im not sure our record is much different right now than most logical observers expected it to be pre season. IF we can manage to beat Pitt, I would say this season has gone about as expected. People just got unrealistic expectations early on. No doubt the defense is a trainwreck that needs to get fixed, but Im not sure THIS team, with these upperclassmen, is capable of a much better record than what we have now. Sure the Duke and VT games were winnable, but the talent disparity between us and those programs, at least among our upperclassmen, is not nearly what some people think it is. Yes we have more talent than Duke, but that is about the only game we lost where we clearly had better talent, and can really be said to have underachieved.

No, I meant underachievement during the Shannon years. Here's the bit I was referencing:

When watching our games do you truly feel we are 8-3? Has a feeling of 5-5 at best and that is why this board is in uproar. We struggle with lousy teams and make them look good. Games that matter most we get embarrassed back to back weeks and have gone another year not winning the weak coastal division. We didn't expect a national championship this year but coastal or bust was realistic. We look worse than we did last year and our regression is what we are ****ed about.

That's not how I see it at all man.

Under Randy, we used to beat teams that were better than us and lose to teams we had no business losing to. We overachieved and underachieved.

This year, we handled every team with a losing record, and lost to the three teams that were better than us. And yes, Duke is better than us this year without Johnson and Dorsett.

We've been the same team every week. Unfortunately for us canes fans and our lofty expectations, we're just not that good of a football team right now.

 

[Hurracanes]

I'm just saying, if you're going to go on a rant and want to be taken serious, at least try to keep the gramatical errors to a minimum.

 

[hoops156]

Some of you are really delusional. This team choked twice.. Had the easiest schedule here in 10 years.. 19 starters back, 9 games in the state of FL but the season wasn't a failure after being gifted the coastal twice lol..

That's football. Sometimes you get the bounces, sometimes you don't. Wasn't VT gifted that game, I mean who fumbles the ball 3 straight times like that?

Was the season a failure? Well we didn't make the ACC Champ game and that was our goal, so we failed that. BUT, we are a better team this year than we were last year. We have a good recruiting class coming in, and we're improving. So we're moving in the right direction. We just need to make some changes on defense.

then we were gifted the UF and UVA game if VT was gifted the game against us. also, not sure if were an improved team from last year considering the schedule was much harder last year and the D is just as bad.

 

[drifters1234]

To be fair, the VT loss was gifted to them, so it works both ways. And there's no way we lose to Duke if we had either beaten VT or if Randy Johnson hadn't been injured.

So it works both ways.

We could be anything from a six or seven win team to an eleven win team this year. We are what we are this year.

The good news is our offense is pretty legit, at least when Duke is playing. We're really missing him right now.

So using this same logic the UVA game was "gifted" to us as was the UF game, hmmmm!

Was Duke Johnson going to stop VT from scoring on like 3rd or 4th & 10+?

Was Duke Johnson going to stop B. Conette from scoring 5 Td's and the running D giving up 358?!

You can't use that "x happened with team A, so team B will be able to do it too" rhetoric in football. It's been proven wrong all too often.

First of all, I never said our defense was any good. Second, I said we were gifted 2 to 3 games, just like VT was gifted their game.

We have a top 5 offense when Duke is playing, and our defense is easily in the bottom half of the 120 FBS teams. Probably in the mid 80's, so ****ing really bad.

So what I'm saying is we deserve our record of 8-3, we have a good offense, and a bad defense. The obvious answer to my mind is to make some changes on defense after the season is over and the decision makers have a chance to evaluate options.

"[T]op 5 offense"??? Maybe in the ACC, maybe. We sure as **** do not have a top 5 offense nationally, irrespective of Duke, Dorsett, or any other injuries.

Yep, we sure do. You would notice it a lot more if our defense could EVER get off the ******* field and not allow EVERY drive to be a long march to the endzone, we'd put up 60 a game. But pretty much when we do get the ball, we score.

And here's the link to prove it: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/feioff2013

We're number six only because Duke and Dorsett went down. Before last week we were top 5.

I am not persuaded by those "innovative" statistics.

Do you really believe we have a better offense than FSU, Clemson, Baylor, Alabama, Okl St, and Oregon? It's not even debatable in my view. And the list of better offenses is extensive even after that.