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dorsey1 said:
They had Jordan Travis who improved substantially that really help catapult them back to national prominence-

Norvell supplemented that with some shrewd portal aquisitions -Plus the had a veteran OL and DL that paid huge dividends-

It’s hard to argue against their success the last 2 years-Can they sustain it is the question.
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i'm not arguing with their past success, i'm saying they mortgaged their future for a big season that didn't quite come to fruition ... now they're staring a three td loss in the face with multiple portal entrants and no viable backups in the face heading into the off season
 
Cribby said:
Let me preface this by saying I think Norvell is a good coach and he has a good scheme but the portal is like FA in the nfl. You build through the draft / recruiting and fill holes with the portal / free agency. What they did the last couple years isn’t sustainabke and you’ll see why in 24 when they’re back winning 7-8 games. Respect to them for going all in this year and paying their 23 year olds to stay another year, but this was a freak occurrence. Mike went so heavy on the portal two years ago because he was hemorrhaging and the vultures were circling. He hit at an unreal rate too, which isn’t sustainable either. Then mix in a 6 year player at qb that turned into a stud out of nowhere. Good luck repeating all of that again.
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THE BOLDED IS WHERE I DISAGREE,

NFL free agency there is limited amount of players....the portal is chock full of thousands of players yearly....ADD to it guys that you can "tamper" with to get to your team ala them stealing our starting dt rather easily.

Their class this year has a number of guys i would take right now....they did a good job this year and last year wasnt so bad either.
They now have some south florida footing again. 11 in the last 2 classes.
 
DoctorKrazey said:
I think you hit the nail on the head. The secret sauce is to finish, bare minimum with a top 10 class and load up on as much high school talent as possible, then fill in the gaps where necessary with the portal. You got Deion with a class size of 5, when he leaves in the next 1-2 years that program is going to be an absolute disaster. I feel sorry for the next guy that takes over at Colorado.
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this is stupid to say considering he took over a team with..... 1 win.
 
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ageezy said:
i'm not arguing with their past success, i'm saying they mortgaged their future for a big season that didn't quite come to fruition ... now they're staring a three td loss in the face with multiple portal entrants and no viable backups in the face heading into the off season
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What the **** are we facing then?. We are having our play calls come from a dug out in the bronx against Rutgers,,, and had to beg or pay a kid at qb to suit up for the game...or else we would be having Jeff George grandson playing or some kid that stretched on game days ina uniform and played beer pong all year that went to Miami Sunset at qb.
Im starting to believe some of our fans are delusional of what we have become lol. The whole winning the off szn thing has apparently become are battle cry cause the math dont math during the szn.
 
Rellyrell said:
Norvell is a really, REALLY good coach, & myself & @Memnon vouched for him coming here. Maybe he’s not the best recruiter, maybe FSU is broke af, but what I do know is that he’s now on a 3 game win streak against us w/ FSU’s recruiting classes ranking:

2020 - 21st
2021 - 21st
2022 - 19th
2023 - 16th

While our classes during this same period ranked

2020 - 11th
2021 - 11th
2022 - 13th
2023 - 8th

So maybe he’s a Mike Gundy type, doesn’t recruit the big names, but his system fits the guys he has to make life miserable. I dunno, but what I do know is he was highly successful at Memphis. What I also know is I’m tired of trying to compare what FSU did this year, b/c I guarantee every single fan on this site would be slapping everyone w/ their balls or **** bragging about us going undefeated, no matter how ugly or lopsided games were.

I’m going to say it again, success doesn’t happen in the off season, it only happens between the lines on Saturday. Right now, Norvell is showing success; it may come crashing down next season. Personally, idgaf; I don’t have an inferiority complex; all I care about is this pivotal 3rd year for Mario. This is the year where there are no more excuses; Idgaf about FSU, UF, UCF, I’m solely focused on us.
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Couldnt have said it better myself.

You literally hit all the points i did on my last few post about the bums in Tally.
 
Yeah, don't think the jury's out on Norvell - 13-0 speaks volumes. Did they tiptoe through the landmines along the way? Yes. But they've gone from a laughing stock to 13-0. This isn't 'Nole tears, so can we talk honestly? It was CIS who told me they sucked two off seasons ago when they beat us for a few portal transfers. I was also told their OL didn't physically measure up; same year we were trounced. I'm not promoting FSU. Don't gaf what some may think, I'd imagine I can hold my own in any conversation about 'Canes football over the last 40 years.
What I am saying is that CIS conventional wisdom is neither objective nor trustworthy.
Do I hope they fall flat on their collective face? Absolutely. Do I hope the NIL has truly dried up? Yep. Do I think we need to reserve judgment on whether Cornrows can coach? Give me a minute to remove my green & orange googles...
 
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gogeta4 said:
Thats the thing the batch of transfers arent stopping anytime soon and they have had success to sell to transfers AGAIN.

they got Travis out the portal and just like us they will be in the portal again grabbing something except they may have been landing better qb rooms than us the last 2 years.

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It's not just the QB room, it's also how friendly Norvell's offense is for QBs. He also adjusts his offenses around his teams strengths. Norvell didn't hesitate to go to the Wildcat when Rodemaker was struggling and it worked. Imagine that- a coach seeing that his QB is struggling, then realizing he has a decent OL and good RBs and deciding he should lean on that.

KJ Jefferson thrived in Kendall Briles's offense at Arkansas, which had a lot of designed QB runs and easy reads. Jefferson isn't ideal for Dawson's offense, which requires more of an ability to go through progressions, but he would be scary good in Norvell's system.
 
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grover said:
I thought Norvell was a fraud but admit in hindsight that he's an excellent coach. But he doesn't have staying power because of poor recruiting, relying on mercenaries and consequently poor player culture. And now his budget is tapped out in landing his first Top 10 class and retaining some of his returning players.

Meanwhile, Mario is EXACTLY who we thought he was. I was hoping he'd get to 10 wins sooner with his rock star coordinators. But he's a recruiter and a builder, not a game day guru. And he just keeps building. People can talk about how the only thing that matters is Ws. But W sustainability trumps an undefeated season where everything went right for Norvell until Travis got injured..

Just remember, he had 2 losing seasons before going on that run. Mario has had one. Let's talk this time next year, in 2025 and again in 2026. I think all this debate will be great dartboard material.
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Again, it’s year 3 & there’s no more excuses. That’s all I care about; I don’t live in a glass house, so I’m not one to throw rocks. I’m a little surprised at all the Ms Cleo’s this board has produced in fortune telling, but I’m not here for palm reading; strictly what we doing, having some laughs, keeping tabs of how we move. I fully expect a 10 win season next yr; I don’t even care if we play for or win the ACC, but I do expect 10
 
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gogeta4 said:
What the **** are we facing then?. We are having our play calls come from a dug out in the bronx against Rutgers,,, and had to beg or pay a kid at qb to suit up for the game...or else we would be having Jeff George grandson playing or some kid that stretched on game days ina uniform and played beer pong all year that went to Miami Sunset at qb.
Im starting to believe some of our fans are delusional of what we have become lol. The whole winning the off szn thing has apparently become are battle cry cause the math dont math during the szn.
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not delusional at all and it's funny you brought up math as i'm a math teacher in real life ... that being said at this very moment in time, would you take the direction we're headed at the end of the season or the direction they're headed at the end the season ... if you look over my post at no point have i suggested norvell isn't a good coach, what i have said is that they put alot on this season to catapult them into the national conversation again and it's imploded at the end ... then there's facts:
they have NIL issues
they've had alot of attrition prior to a nice bowl game, speaks to culture
they haven't developed depth ... they're #9 currently and last year they finished #16 which was bolstered by their portal guys
norvell has shown to be a good coach with talent, but the acquisition of said talent is still a question mark
mc is elite at talent acquisition and your right YEAR 3 is big for him in regards to field success
 
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ageezy said:
not delusional at all and it's funny you brought up math as i'm a math teacher in real life ... that being said at this very moment in time, would you take the direction we're headed at the end of the season or the direction they're headed at the end the season ... if you look over my post at no point have i suggested norvell isn't a good coach, what i have said is that they put alot on this season to catapult them into the national conversation again and it's imploded at the end ... then there's facts:
they have NIL issues
they've had alot of attrition prior to a nice bowl game, speaks to culture
they haven't developed depth ... they're #9 currently and last year they finished #16 which was bolstered by their portal guys
norvell has shown to be a good coach with talent, but the acquisition of said talent is still a question mark
mc is elite at talent acquisition and your right YEAR 3 is big for him in regards to field success
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Your delusional because your thinking we have a better trajectory than them lol

They are currently undefeated ...will likely lose to uga but we are playing rutgers. I dont know what direction that you think is so good that we are headed at the end of the szn but we dont have a qb or a back up qb that is power 5 level.
We will need 4 clases of top 10 talent to make up for our coaching deficit. I hate fsu but they aint gonna need that witht he system they run on offense. Being in florida they are bound to just hit on skill position guys regardless.

Thinking they will be a complete flop is wishful thinking in my opinion.
 
ageezy said:
i'm not arguing with their past success, i'm saying they mortgaged their future for a big season that didn't quite come to fruition ... now they're staring a three td loss in the face with multiple portal entrants and no viable backups in the face heading into the off season
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They have 20 opt outs. No one cares about the game .... the score is not going to matter to anyone's efforts to hit the portal in their direction...
 
gogeta4 said:
this is stupid to say considering he took over a team with..... 1 win.
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I’m not talking about wins and losses, I’m just talking purely from a roster management perspective. When you have a high school recruiting class with 5 people in it, that’s pretty insane.
 
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Rellyrell said:
Norvell is a really, REALLY good coach, & myself & @Memnon vouched for him coming here. Maybe he’s not the best recruiter, maybe FSU is broke af, but what I do know is that he’s now on a 3 game win streak against us w/ FSU’s recruiting classes ranking:

2020 - 21st
2021 - 21st
2022 - 19th
2023 - 16th

While our classes during this same period ranked

2020 - 11th
2021 - 11th
2022 - 13th
2023 - 8th

So maybe he’s a Mike Gundy type, doesn’t recruit the big names, but his system fits the guys he has to make life miserable. I dunno, but what I do know is he was highly successful at Memphis. What I also know is I’m tired of trying to compare what FSU did this year, b/c I guarantee every single fan on this site would be slapping everyone w/ their balls or **** bragging about us going undefeated, no matter how ugly or lopsided games were.

I’m going to say it again, success doesn’t happen in the off season, it only happens between the lines on Saturday. Right now, Norvell is showing success; it may come crashing down next season. Personally, idgaf; I don’t have an inferiority complex; all I care about is this pivotal 3rd year for Mario. This is the year where there are no more excuses; Idgaf about FSU, UF, UCF, I’m solely focused on us.
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I really don’t get this take. The whole thing about college football is not only your team winning, but also hating on your rivals. Whether it’s justified or not is irrelevant.

Has nothing to do with fairness or objectivity. Maybe it’s because I’m a graduate and most people aren’t. But I hate those mother****ers. And I’m talking about both the turds and the holes, as well as a few others.

Entertaining USC and Louisville game by the way.
 
We will need to see if FSU will next year.. but they looked better than us the last two years. I've always thought Mario should of hit the portal a little harder.
 
OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
I really don’t get this take. The whole thing about college football is not only your team winning, but also hating on your rivals. Whether it’s justified or not is irrelevant.

Has nothing to do with fairness or objectivity. Maybe it’s because I’m a graduate and most people aren’t. But I hate those mother****ers. And I’m talking about both the turds and the holes, as well as a few others.

Entertaining USC and Louisville game by the way.
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I HATE FSU (although I hate UF slightly more), & frankly I’m tired of talking about them when WE’RE down right now. Hence, I’m focused on us being the best team, idgaf about the North.

And yes, SC v UL is very entertaining
 
Lol I've seen it all. Respected posters nut hugging Norvell. For us being so bad at calling out future failures we sure as **** nailed the gator class falling apart and wouldnt you know it who else is behind us now FSU. I swear half of you would sell your soul for one good season (TCU, FSU)and have nothing left than to build something sustainable. The whole point of the OP is that model is not sustainable period end of story. Look at the best teams thelat are there year after year. The ratio of portal to non portal looks a lot different than FSU. It is FA in the NFL. Just because there are more bodies doesn't mean there are more good ones. NFL has a much smaller roster and less teams.
 
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