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First, aren't we using WR screens, not bubble screens? Bubble screens are when its a screen and the receiver cuts in. I could be wrong, but ours looked like traditional quick WR screens on the outside where we try to be beat them one-one .

i hope we over-used them last week to throw florida off... i want more up the middle throws - slants, crossing routes, hitches that can get the safeties to creep in, allowing for man coverage on the outside so we go over the top. What i liked about Fisch's play calling is that he allowd plays to develop downfield, which opened up for a much better intermediate to long-term passing game.

With Scott out, i really don't think we have the big, quick receiver (except Hurns) to matchup well with their DBs... those DBs can do a decent job containing our WR screens.
 
Problem is our best blocking wr is actually phil dorsett...as small as he is

I like them at times...they help the run game..and that fake bubble go will break one
 
JMO but I think our receivers block pretty **** well for the most part. Dukes big runs usually featured a receiver throwing a great block or two.
 
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It also gives Morris a guaranteed 2nd down and 10, at best. Then an obvious run and it's 3rd an 8+.

One reason we are the three and out Kings of this decade.
 
SmokeyRone said:
It also gives Morris a guaranteed 2nd down and 10, at best. Then an obvious run and it's 3rd an 8+.

One reason we are the three and out Kings of this decade.
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Guaranteed 2nd a 10, huh? And a 2 yard run to follow? Interesting perspective
 
ucrew02 said:
SmokeyRone said:
It also gives Morris a guaranteed 2nd down and 10, at best. Then an obvious run and it's 3rd an 8+.

One reason we are the three and out Kings of this decade.
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Guaranteed 2nd a 10, huh? And a 2 yard run to follow? Interesting perspective
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Most of the time, yes. We have had a bad track record of the first and none pass, then obvious run against a stacked box.

IMO, the bubble screen takes many 1 yard gains to open up anything, which means LOTS of 2nd and 9 or 10, which means lost of 3 and outs. I'd rather run the ******* ball on first. Then set up play action. But that is my opinion.



Plus, we have a horrible record of throwing short of the chains on 3rd down (Morris' key weakness). I say get some **** yardage on 1st.
 
The bubble isn't a called play. Most of the time it's a run play with a bubble option. If we don't have leverage on the outside then Morris will hand the ball off. If Morris looks outside and sees a 2-for-1 match-up (2 WR's 1 DB) then he'll throw the bubble.

It pulls that flat defender out of the box.
 
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WildcatDefense said:
The bubble isn't a called play. Most of the time it's a run play with a bubble option. If we don't have leverage on the outside then Morris will hand the ball off. If Morris looks outside and sees a 2-for-1 match-up (2 WR's 1 DB) then he'll throw the bubble.

It pulls that flat defender out of the box.
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This. Packaged plays are getting more and more popular as it helps keep defenses honest when you go 3/4 wide and helps the run game. The quick pass to a WR with a DB 10 yards off is something we've done a lot in the past, but this works a fair bit better because instead of giving a WR a chance to make a guy miss in the open field, you're giving a guy a chance to make a play in the open field, with a blocker, against one defender. It's numbers and as long as the other WR makes a good block, it's easy yards.
 
CanesFan93 said:
Ban bubble screens to Hurns! Put Coley and Waters on the outside and Hurns and Dorsett inside, throw screens.
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Might as well ban them to Dorsett as well. For as good a straightline deep threat as he is.....he's really doesn't offer much after the catch. Zero wiggle.
 
If it's there I want Herb catching 58 of these next week. Coley can get a few too.
 
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DaveT said:
FSU stopped every bubble screen thrown at them this past weekend. There were at least a few.
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The top defenses generally obliterate those plays. It sets the tone for the entire game, establishing the physical pecking order.

I'm not sure I've ever laughed as hard in recent years as when Nick Saban was absolutely livid on the sideline during the Alabama vs. Texas national championship a few years ago. Texas and the Big 12 abuse those cheap underneath passes. The premier SEC defenses are always prepared for them and wipe them out. During the 4th quarter Texas made a comeback and managed a couple of fluke long gains on bubble screens. Alabama got penetration and did almost everything correct except make the tackle. Saban was red faced and berserk on the sideline. The commentators weren't saying anything about it but I knew exactly why Saban was furious. He was disgusted that the cheap finesse crap had worked, instead of blowing up in Texas' face.

I despise those plays because there's too much tendency for a coordinator to fail to grasp situational influence. Those plays sucker the weak teams and can waltz for big gains. The disparity to how they fare depending on the caliber of opponent is massive, far beyond the typical gap. Particularly on third down, the aggressive defenses wipe out the blocking scheme and never allow the play to unfold as designed.

I view those plays similarly to the fade pass. Overmatched coordinators can't think of anything else so they turn to the cheap option, knowing they'll very seldom be criticized for it.
 
Stacy Coley looked very smooth taking one of the screens about 8 yards.
He will break one this year.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
DaveT said:
FSU stopped every bubble screen thrown at them this past weekend. There were at least a few.
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The top defenses generally obliterate those plays. It sets the tone for the entire game, establishing the physical pecking order.

I'm not sure I've ever laughed as hard in recent years as when Nick Saban was absolutely livid on the sideline during the Alabama vs. Texas national championship a few years ago. Texas and the Big 12 abuse those cheap underneath passes. The premier SEC defenses are always prepared for them and wipe them out. During the 4th quarter Texas made a comeback and managed a couple of fluke long gains on bubble screens. Alabama got penetration and did almost everything correct except make the tackle. Saban was red faced and berserk on the sideline. The commentators weren't saying anything about it but I knew exactly why Saban was furious. He was disgusted that the cheap finesse crap had worked, instead of blowing up in Texas' face.

I despise those plays because there's too much tendency for a coordinator to fail to grasp situational influence. Those plays sucker the weak teams and can waltz for big gains. The disparity to how they fare depending on the caliber of opponent is massive, far beyond the typical gap. Particularly on third down, the aggressive defenses wipe out the blocking scheme and never allow the play to unfold as designed.

I view those plays similarly to the fade pass. Overmatched coordinators can't think of anything else so they turn to the cheap option, knowing they'll very seldom be criticized for it.
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If you're talking literally just WR screens, yea maybe, but what UM was doing and what a lot of teams are doing with the backside quick screen is a big counter for teams crashing that defender down on read plays. It basically forces teams to either have that backside end stay with the QB and stop the run with just playside guys, or bring down an extra defender to account for the RB give, the QB keep and WR screen. I don't care if it's finesse or whatever, it's getting your players one on one match ups.
 
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Dorsett is a great downfield blocker. Don't let the size fool you. After UNC his freshman year, I always thought of Scott as a headhunter as well. Herb blocks well. I love the idea of using bubble screens more. The best part about it is that it is a great fit for the type of talent in South FL. We will always have speed, even when we sucked we've had speed, so lets get our guys in some space.

Our best teams used screens and curls all day. I don't think Dorsey ever threw a pass to a reciever that went more than 10 yards in the air unless he was wide open. Get the ball to your playmakers with room to make plays. Bubble screens are a pretty low risk way to do that, especially considering we have pretty good Wr's to block for it. Our O-line, on the other hand, is a little bulky for too much action on the boundaries. Seantrel and Feliciano can make it out that far but for the rest its a stretch at best.
 
It's just a glorified run play. And these are just just quick screens.

The QB is looking for a #'s advantage. On any down (with favorable distance) SM has the option to raise up and throw it. Hopefully, if you do this long enough than it can pull a defender out of the box or have coverage a little more pressed to the LOS.
 
Vanderhooooov said:
RBhurricane87 said:
Remember when the only play Patrick Nix had in his playbook was the WR bubble screen?
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Patrick Nix had a playbook?
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Sure he did...

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