Will we ever get new stadium?

[Chicken_N_Roffles]

Also, as far as our fans 'sucking'. Remember that our attendance is around 40th in the country and middle of the pack in the ACC, and this is without having a large student and alumni base, and without having an on-campus facility like lots of these other schools.


http://espn.go.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/35795/checking-out-acc-attendance-numbers


No, we have always, and remain, victims of bad perception, in that people see a 1/3 empty Sun Life and think our fans suck, see a 1/6th Carter-Finley, and think their fans are awesome. In reality, the fanbases are not quite as far away in number, and attendance, as people might believe. Especially once you add in all the extra students some of these other schools have.


The fault for this perception also lies at the feet of the school, since, once again, what the school has really always needed was a venue more fitting the reality of it's resources.

Believe me, I know it. I get a laugh out of other ACC fans like UNC and GT when they talk **** about our attendance. They would look exactly the same if they played in a stadium that size. But, be that as it may, that doesn't change the fact that it's a poor business decision. We don't live in some podunk town in Alabama where land comes cheap. We have **** poor public transportation. **** poor attendance for games that no one cares about. Once again, the numbers don't show that anything would change if we did get our own stadium. Unless you wanna get stuck with some erector set of a stadium, that's out in the middle of nowhere, there is no chance that money is just gonna start flowing in until they see that there is good reason for it.

 

[Chicken_N_Roffles]

I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm just saying don't expect it anytime soon. At this point, the best I could hope for is the Dolphins getting sick of SLS and getting a new one, that's a little more fan friendly, and riding with them to that one as well. Which probably still won't be for a while.


$200 million dollars is pretty **** conservative as well. Unless, like I said, you want it in the middle of nowhere and it being some erector set. You want a half decent stadium, in a half decent location, we're probably talking upwards of $500million.

 

[Hurracanes]

FACT!!!!!!!

The sentiment among Miami fans on this forum seems to be that Miami is just fine in this area and despite the fact that all of college football is moving in the opposite direction our UofM is making the right decision by continuing to put nothing into its football program and continuing to have no home for its football team.

These fans and supporters are the very reason why we find ourselves so far behind the college football world. They don't want greatness and improvment for our program and student athletes. The delusionally feel that UofM is above it all. Reality doesn't seem to support them much and the 80's and 90's get further away by the year. They flat out refuse to budge and refuse to want progress. They refuse to discuss it as something worth working toward.

It is a very odd mindset and one that really only lives among Miami fans. Everyone else moves forward and grows.

 

[Dingaan1828]

This is not a complaint about attendance. It's an explanation of why there is a disconnect between what the reported attendance is, and what everyone can see - including the game announcers who crack jokes about it.

The NCAA allows schools to report attendance based on one of two methods. They can report ACTUAL attendance (butts through the turnstiles), or CALCULATED PAID attendance. UM is obviously using the latter. It's easy as can be to inflate your attendance figures using the calculated paid method. Two for one sales, block (extremely low cost bulk sales), etc. The point is UM can legitimately report 38,869 for the USF game, when it's plain as day for anyone who has at least one eye, that is about 15-20K in actual. What I'm saying is that at some point UM changed the way they report attendance. Back in olden times, I sat in "crowds" that looked like 17,000 and were reported as 17,000. If they had reported 40K, they would be laughing stocks.

 

[traitor71]

The sentiment among Miami fans on this forum seems to be that Miami is just fine in this area and despite the fact that all of college football is moving in the opposite direction our UofM is making the right decision by continuing to put nothing into its football program and continuing to have no home for its football team.

These fans and supporters are the very reason why we find ourselves so far behind the college football world. They don't want greatness and improvment for our program and student athletes. The delusionally feel that UofM is above it all. Reality doesn't seem to support them much and the 80's and 90's get further away by the year. They flat out refuse to budge and refuse to want progress. They refuse to discuss it as something worth working toward.

It is a very odd mindset and one that really only lives among Miami fans. Everyone else moves forward and grows.

At first I thought you were Sileo. Now I think you are one of his producers or something, putting his words into a more legible format.

 

[hoops156]

ok so i go to grad school out of south florida now and i still drive down every home game and travel to away games. dont gimme the excuse that if they got this i would pay for that. stop it. donate for a stadium fund and buy ur season tickets. someone from UM sends u an email asking u ur opinion about the home games but non season ticket holders dont get a say bc u dont get a right to complain if u arent spending money for the games. tickets are 95 bucks a year for young alums (like many of us on here) so guys call up UM get ur season tickets and then start complaining about home game problems and stadium issues bc UM has no guarantee that u will show up if they build a brand new expensive stadium bc fact is no one showed up for the crap games in the OB even in 01. dont believe me look at the attendance figures from that year

 

[DelrayCane]

Its never going to happen. The best option is to work with the Dolphins on renovations and design the upgrades similar to what the Jets/Giants do with Metlife field in New York.

This would be an ideal situation for both teams and the most economical:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRBbvSxXvmI&noredirect=1

 

[GoldenShowertheGators]

An earlier poster is right, the business model we've been using does not work any longer, we operate at a loss basically and a $200-$250m stadium would be a long term investment. CFB has become an arms race like stated previously, and we need to jump back in the game.

TFWIW but someone who was part of the firm negotiating the contract with NoLife insisted to me before the move was final that there's a clause we can leave to build in tropical park. Now years later there's more noise than ever about tropical park.

Really not so far fetched. As stated earlier naming rights alone and one bull donation and we are almost there. Huge economic boost to the area, high school games, better outdoor concert stadium than sound-void no life, as well as possibility of a pro MLS team again in the future. I think it's a lot more possible and feasible than all of you negative nancies think.

After this NCAA mess and AD is figured out, I really would not be surprised if this is announced within the next 5 years.

 

[mirvin88]

An earlier poster is right, the business model we've been using does not work any longer, we operate at a loss basically and a $200-$250m stadium would be a long term investment. CFB has become an arms race like stated previously, and we need to jump back in the game.

TFWIW but someone who was part of the firm negotiating the contract with NoLife insisted to me before the move was final that there's a clause we can leave to build in tropical park. Now years later there's more noise than ever about tropical park.

Really not so far fetched. As stated earlier naming rights alone and one bull donation and we are almost there. Huge economic boost to the area, high school games, better outdoor concert stadium than sound-void no life, as well as possibility of a pro MLS team again in the future. I think it's a lot more possible and feasible than all of you negative nancies think.

After this NCAA mess and AD is figured out, I really would not be surprised if this is announced within the next 5 years.

I'm hard

 

[BigCaneAl]

This is not a complaint about attendance. It's an explanation of why there is a disconnect between what the reported attendance is, and what everyone can see - including the game announcers who crack jokes about it.

The NCAA allows schools to report attendance based on one of two methods. They can report ACTUAL attendance (butts through the turnstiles), or CALCULATED PAID attendance. UM is obviously using the latter. It's easy as can be to inflate your attendance figures using the calculated paid method. Two for one sales, block (extremely low cost bulk sales), etc. The point is UM can legitimately report 38,869 for the USF game, when it's plain as day for anyone who has at least one eye, that is about 15-20K in actual. What I'm saying is that at some point UM changed the way they report attendance. Back in olden times, I sat in "crowds" that looked like 17,000 and were reported as 17,000. If they had reported 40K, they would be laughing stocks.

And you assume other schools just chose the lesser number to report?

 

[BigCaneAl]

An earlier poster is right, the business model we've been using does not work any longer, we operate at a loss basically and a $200-$250m stadium would be a long term investment. CFB has become an arms race like stated previously, and we need to jump back in the game.

TFWIW but someone who was part of the firm negotiating the contract with NoLife insisted to me before the move was final that there's a clause we can leave to build in tropical park. Now years later there's more noise than ever about tropical park.

Really not so far fetched. As stated earlier naming rights alone and one bull donation and we are almost there. Huge economic boost to the area, high school games, better outdoor concert stadium than sound-void no life, as well as possibility of a pro MLS team again in the future. I think it's a lot more possible and feasible than all of you negative nancies think.

After this NCAA mess and AD is figured out, I really would not be surprised if this is announced within the next 5 years.

There is also a financial benefit to having a real home field advantage. Win more, more attendance, and better bowl payouts. Difficult to quantify of course, but if it can get us an extra win or two every couple of years....

 

[Dingaan1828]

This is not a complaint about attendance. It's an explanation of why there is a disconnect between what the reported attendance is, and what everyone can see - including the game announcers who crack jokes about it.

The NCAA allows schools to report attendance based on one of two methods. They can report ACTUAL attendance (butts through the turnstiles), or CALCULATED PAID attendance. UM is obviously using the latter. It's easy as can be to inflate your attendance figures using the calculated paid method. Two for one sales, block (extremely low cost bulk sales), etc. The point is UM can legitimately report 38,869 for the USF game, when it's plain as day for anyone who has at least one eye, that is about 15-20K in actual. What I'm saying is that at some point UM changed the way they report attendance. Back in olden times, I sat in "crowds" that looked like 17,000 and were reported as 17,000. If they had reported 40K, they would be laughing stocks.

And you assume other schools just chose the lesser number to report?

Why would you think I assume that?

BTW, at some schools the actual is greater than the calculated paid. The point was that UM's actual attendance is nowhere close to the announced (calculated paid) attendance.

 

[Dingaan1828]

An earlier poster is right, the business model we've been using does not work any longer, we operate at a loss basically and a $200-$250m stadium would be a long term investment. CFB has become an arms race like stated previously, and we need to jump back in the game.

TFWIW but someone who was part of the firm negotiating the contract with NoLife insisted to me before the move was final that there's a clause we can leave to build in tropical park. Now years later there's more noise than ever about tropical park.

Really not so far fetched. As stated earlier naming rights alone and one bull donation and we are almost there. Huge economic boost to the area, high school games, better outdoor concert stadium than sound-void no life, as well as possibility of a pro MLS team again in the future. I think it's a lot more possible and feasible than all of you negative nancies think.

After this NCAA mess and AD is figured out, I really would not be surprised if this is announced within the next 5 years.

There is also a financial benefit to having a real home field advantage. Win more, more attendance, and better bowl payouts. Difficult to quantify of course, but if it can get us an extra win or two every couple of years....

Bowl revenue is shared equally by all ACC members.

 

[cane305]

Really not so far fetched. As stated earlier naming rights alone and one bull donation and we are almost there. Huge economic boost to the area, high school games, better outdoor concert stadium than sound-void no life, as well as possibility of a pro MLS team again in the future. I think it's a lot more possible and feasible than all of you negative nancies think.

FALSE

If we build a new stadium, we can not have high school football games played there because it will be a PRIVATE stadium. Shalala told me this personally.

 

[dookie blaylock]

Really not so far fetched. As stated earlier naming rights alone and one bull donation and we are almost there. Huge economic boost to the area, high school games, better outdoor concert stadium than sound-void no life, as well as possibility of a pro MLS team again in the future. I think it's a lot more possible and feasible than all of you negative nancies think.

FALSE

If we build a new stadium, we can not have high school football games played there because it will be a PRIVATE stadium. Shalala told me this personally.

i'm on your side on most arguments regarding the stadium, but remember that fhsaa games are also played in sunlife.

 

[dookie blaylock]

The sentiment among Miami fans on this forum seems to be that Miami is just fine in this area and despite the fact that all of college football is moving in the opposite direction our UofM is making the right decision by continuing to put nothing into its football program and continuing to have no home for its football team.

These fans and supporters are the very reason why we find ourselves so far behind the college football world. They don't want greatness and improvment for our program and student athletes. The delusionally feel that UofM is above it all. Reality doesn't seem to support them much and the 80's and 90's get further away by the year. They flat out refuse to budge and refuse to want progress. They refuse to discuss it as something worth working toward.

It is a very odd mindset and one that really only lives among Miami fans. Everyone else moves forward and grows.

At first I thought you were Sileo. Now I think you are one of his producers or something, putting his words into a more legible format.

don't even bother with this guy. he spouts the same, ridiculous, self-aggrandizing drivel every time he posts. if you read his posts as satire, they are actually kind of funny.

 

[weownfsu]

Really not so far fetched. As stated earlier naming rights alone and one bull donation and we are almost there. Huge economic boost to the area, high school games, better outdoor concert stadium than sound-void no life, as well as possibility of a pro MLS team again in the future. I think it's a lot more possible and feasible than all of you negative nancies think.

FALSE

If we build a new stadium, we can not have high school football games played there because it will be a PRIVATE stadium. Shalala told me this personally.

:ibisroflmao:

 

[hoops156]

An earlier poster is right, the business model we've been using does not work any longer, we operate at a loss basically and a $200-$250m stadium would be a long term investment. CFB has become an arms race like stated previously, and we need to jump back in the game.

TFWIW but someone who was part of the firm negotiating the contract with NoLife insisted to me before the move was final that there's a clause we can leave to build in tropical park. Now years later there's more noise than ever about tropical park.

Really not so far fetched. As stated earlier naming rights alone and one bull donation and we are almost there. Huge economic boost to the area, high school games, better outdoor concert stadium than sound-void no life, as well as possibility of a pro MLS team again in the future. I think it's a lot more possible and feasible than all of you negative nancies think.

After this NCAA mess and AD is figured out, I really would not be surprised if this is announced within the next 5 years.

I'm hard

if you dont live in dade county then please dont talk bc u wont be financing it. anythign tht uses public funds will not be approved. get it through ur head. did you just see what happened w the marlins. dade county taxpayers will not pay for another stadium for a long time. just stop it with the holding other crap there bc most of the taxpayers do not care where the canes play and will not watch their pay/benefits/jobs get cut and taxes increase for a stadium.

 

[BigCaneAl]

An earlier poster is right, the business model we've been using does not work any longer, we operate at a loss basically and a $200-$250m stadium would be a long term investment. CFB has become an arms race like stated previously, and we need to jump back in the game.

TFWIW but someone who was part of the firm negotiating the contract with NoLife insisted to me before the move was final that there's a clause we can leave to build in tropical park. Now years later there's more noise than ever about tropical park.

Really not so far fetched. As stated earlier naming rights alone and one bull donation and we are almost there. Huge economic boost to the area, high school games, better outdoor concert stadium than sound-void no life, as well as possibility of a pro MLS team again in the future. I think it's a lot more possible and feasible than all of you negative nancies think.

After this NCAA mess and AD is figured out, I really would not be surprised if this is announced within the next 5 years.

There is also a financial benefit to having a real home field advantage. Win more, more attendance, and better bowl payouts. Difficult to quantify of course, but if it can get us an extra win or two every couple of years....

Bowl revenue is shared equally by all ACC members.

Yes, and having two BCS teams will increase that pot...just like the SEC does every year.

 

[Dingaan1828]

Bowl revenue is shared equally by all ACC members.

Yes, and having two BCS teams will increase that pot...just like the SEC does every year.

Of course. It just doesn't matter if it's us, or somebody else.