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Why the Defense is Unacceptable (Long but a Must Read)

SevenNSeven said:
Wait, so our defense sucks? ****.



Honestly, it's pretty simple, anyone who says our defense sucks because of personnel is somewhat correct, and anyone that says our defense sucks because of scheme and poor coaching is also correct. It's like selling lollipops at the AVN awards, there's a lot of suck to go around.
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Like the OP asked, do we or do we not have better talent than NC Central, Memphis, East Carolina, Virginia, Troy, Ball St., Western Carolina and Wake Forest?
 
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You are over rating our d talent. We probably have only 2 or 3 draft able guys on the starting 11. Only Denzel is a top 4 rd pick. Hard to believe, but we have IMO less talent than Duke or Wake on D. Our coaching is also less than average, which makes for a bad combo. I do think we will be singing a different tune come 2015. Do not underestimate what Randy did to this program. He was probably one of the 5 worst diction 1a coaches in the country. We are still feeling the effects of same. I do agree though, that our d staff is also lacking talent and coaching upgrades are needed.
 
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So if I'm reading that right, you're saying our defense sucks. That is groundbreaking stuff
 
mdhhdm said:
You are over rating our d talent. We probably have only 2 or 3 draft able guys on the starting 11. Only Denzel is a top 4 rd pick. Hard to believe, but we have IMO less talent than Duke or Wake on D. Our coaching is also less than average, which makes for a bad combo. I do think we will be singing a different tune come 2015. Do not underestimate what Randy did to this program. He was probably one of the 5 worst diction 1a coaches in the country. We are still feeling the effects of same. I do agree though, that our d staff is also lacking talent and coaching upgrades are needed.
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So you are saying we won't be good until we have NFL talent on our roster? Do you know how asinine that comment is? There are other teams that do a **** good job of stopping other teams without NFL Talent.
 
No, if you sharpen your reading skills, you will note that I said our talent is over rated and not better than Duke or Wake on defense. I did not say we need NFL talent to stop people. I stated we have a coaching and player deficit.
 
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AlGolden'sHair said:
I personally did not make this, but I found it on TOS and thought it brought up some good points and wanted to share it with you guys...

I am going to put some quantitative analysis to the problems behind the defense just so we can all have an idea of just how bad it was.

Before I begin, can we agree that we have better players on defense than teams such as NC Central, Memphis, East Carolina, Virginia, Troy, Ball St., Western Carolina and Wake Forest? Because those are the teams who are on the lists I compiled. They are the teams that had similar defensive performances against the teams we faced. It is actually far more pathetic and worse than I thought.

Duke Game:

Duke had 52 rushing plays against us, their highest total of the season. That includes games against NC Central (49), Memphis (45), Troy (40), Virginia (44) and North Carolina (46). I mention those schools because they had over 40 rushing plays against all of those teams, as you can see by the numbers in parenthesis after the school name. They averaged 39 rushing plays a game for the season.

Duke gaines 500 yards of offense only 3 times all season, against us (543), Pittsburgh (532), and Troy (514). NC Central held them to "only" 488! They averaged 408 yards a game on offense, so we allowed them there best offensive game by far. FSU held them to 239, VaTech held them to 198, and GaTech held them to 254.

Duke only gained 300 yards rushing in one game this season, against us. They went for 358 in that game. The next highest total were 257 (NC Central), 213 (Pitt), 190 (Troy), and 173 (Memphis). We allowed over 100 more rushing yards than freaking NC Central, the next best total, in only 3 more rushing attempts!!!! Against 7 fewer attempts, Memphis gave up less than half the yards we did.

Think the problem is only against rushing offenses? Only against Duke???? Think again....

North Carolina Game:

North Carolina had only 3 games with 400 or more yards of total offense. Against Old Dominion (721!), Middle Tennessee (511), and Us (500). They also had 448 against Duke and 465 against East Carolina.
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:mmkay:
 
Your analysis doesn't factor in that we usually get teams best games due to our name.
Teams are not giving the same effort vs NC Central that they give for us.
 
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mdhhdm said:
No, if you sharpen your reading skills, you will note that I said our talent is over rated and not better than Duke or Wake on defense. I did not say we need NFL talent to stop people. I stated we have a coaching and player deficit.
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Wait, you think Duke and Wake have equal talent to what we have? I'm not asking how they look. I'm asking about talent. GoldenShowers, by your like, I presume you feel the same?

Not getting into the rest of this because I hashed this **** out like a month ago.
 
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Wait, you think Duke and Wake have equal talent to what we have? I'm not asking how they look.

I'm not a talent evaluator but I clearly see a trend of mid-tier reserves leaving their respective school and cracking our 2-deep the first week of practice. Ex Justin Renfroe from UVA and Mike Williams from Wake Forest.

Go a little deeper and low tier recruited players have a stronghold in the 2-deep. Olsen Pierre, Thurson Armbrister, AJ Highsmith, Shayon Green, Jimmy Gaines, and Ty Cornelius.

Our best players are frosh and sophomores, which consist of highly recruited players at their respective positions. How many snaps are these players getting in comparison to the players above?

Is our talent on defense significantly better than wake or duke, NO! The talent is prob equal or lesser based on what I see on the field. I would offer an opinion on scheme but that would derail this argument.
 
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How are a bunch of mainstream yardage statistics a must read? If you want to analyze a defense use advanced statistics and qualitative film breakdowns. Yardage has more to do with number of plays, possessions and game flow than it does with the quality of an offense/defense. What a useless 1st post.
 
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