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Who needs to be cut for next year?

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We will have trouble getting to 85 with the seniors and potential juniors leaving. There will be no cutting just to gain numbers. It will be of the players own accord. Or a discipline reason for removal.
 
Has McCray played at all?

Sort of a funny story about him. At the Independence Bowl in Shreveport, my family and I were leaving the hotel where the team stayed to go to the game. Guy asked me for a ride to the game. I said sure. I knew he was a player, and I was very curious why I would have the privilege of a UM player riding with me to the game. Well, it was McCray, and he missed the busses. I enjoyed talking to him. Seemed like a good kid. He was high on Golden at the time. Said he liked him a lot.

Also got to talk to Gray Crow briefly. Not so fond of Golden. To his credit, he appeared to be holding back what he really thought about him.

I got some pictures with Duke with my 2 boys. I told Duke it would make him uncomfortable if he knew how much I loved him. He laughed.
 
skibbyskibby said:
My thoughts:

Non-renewals (guys who will have a degree but have eligibility remaining):

1. Hunter Knighton (OL)

Encouraged to transfer:

1. Ryan Fines
2. Jahair Jones
3. Brendan Loftus
4. Hayden Mahoney
5. Terry McCray
6. Terrance Henley
7. Trayone Gray
8. Darrell Langham

Does anyone see any of these guys ever contributing?

I originally had Gus Edwards and Tyler Gauthier on my list, but clearly, the staff is trying to keep Gus in the fold and Gauthier has shown some potential the last two weeks.
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You need people for special teams and scout teams. Even though some players may never step foot on the field in an actual game, many are valuable assets to the program.

Having a good scout team allows for increased player development. The scout team is in many ways just as important as your starters.
 
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skibbyskibby said:
My thoughts:

Non-renewals (guys who will have a degree but have eligibility remaining):

1. Hunter Knighton (OL)

Encouraged to transfer:

1. Ryan Fines
2. Jahair Jones
3. Brendan Loftus
4. Hayden Mahoney
5. Terry McCray
6. Terrance Henley
7. Trayone Gray
8. Darrell Langham

Does anyone see any of these guys ever contributing?

I originally had Gus Edwards and Tyler Gauthier on my list, but clearly, the staff is trying to keep Gus in the fold and Gauthier has shown some potential the last two weeks.
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1st, everyone on the roster contributes. Some might only ever play special teams, but do it well. Some are scout teams guys, sacrificing their bodies in practice without recognition. Some might be big in the weight room, pushing the other guys and being like another coach. Maybe there is a team guy, a favorite of the players who jokes a lot and keeps things loose, or a smart guy others lean on for academics or studing film. The list goes on. If the coaches didn't think some of these guys contributed in any way, they wouldn't be here.

2nd, guys develop at different rates. Asking guys to transfer in their first few years in the program is a joke unless they are COMPLETELY overwhelmed physically and at their ceiling. You see guys all over the place not contriube until their junior/senior/redshirt senior years, once they physically and mentally mature and develop from solid coaching. Even then, not everyone is going to be a 2 deep guy. 22 starters, 44 in the 2 deep, 66 in the 3 deep, 85 on scholarship. Do the math.
 
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Only guys that need to go are the ones that cause trouble, i.e. Not a team player, don't follow the rules set forth by the coaches and university, don't honor their fellow teammates by being late to practices, smoking weed, not taking school seriously. To me, this is what has to be eliminated. The cancer! How many that is? Have no idea. Just want that gone.
 
skibbyskibby said:
My thoughts:

Non-renewals (guys who will have a degree but have eligibility remaining):

1. Hunter Knighton (OL)

Encouraged to transfer:

1. Ryan Fines
2. Jahair Jones
3. Brendan Loftus
4. Hayden Mahoney
5. Terry McCray
6. Terrance Henley
7. Trayone Gray
8. Darrell Langham

Does anyone see any of these guys ever contributing?

I originally had Gus Edwards and Tyler Gauthier on my list, but clearly, the staff is trying to keep Gus in the fold and Gauthier has shown some potential the last two weeks.
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You do understand that we don't have a full roster right now. You can't just go cut everyone in our case you can't cut any or many at all. Last I heard we have 67 players out of 85. You still have to have bodies to practice!
 
I don't think some people understand the definition of "depth issues." Even if these guys aren't producing, we still need healthy bodies for injuries. We can only take so many players in February even if we are under the scholarship limit of the roster.
 
Bunch of soft participation award bird chests in here. LOL at keeping D2 level players here just because you think they try hard. Move them the fck out and replace them with much better players. Help them find a D2 spot, but get them the fck off my roster.

Slugs don't give you good looks on the scout team; great young talent gives you good looks on the scout team.
 
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The Franchise said:
Bunch of soft participation award bird chests in here. LOL at keeping D2 level players here just because you think they try hard. Move them the fck out and replace them with much better players. Help them find a D2 spot, but get them the fck off my roster.

Slugs don't give you good looks on the scout team; great young talent gives you good looks on the scout team.
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Aren't we playing with like 70 scholarship guys? You don't ask guys to leave unless there's a reason.

Only position it makes sense to let a couple guys go is OL. We have numbers there, but they're bad numbers. 2 seniors +4 freshman = let 2 guys walk. Prob Jahair Jones being one of them
 
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[]_[] swag;2703407 said:
The Franchise said:
Bunch of soft participation award bird chests in here. LOL at keeping D2 level players here just because you think they try hard. Move them the fck out and replace them with much better players. Help them find a D2 spot, but get them the fck off my roster.

Slugs don't give you good looks on the scout team; great young talent gives you good looks on the scout team.
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Aren't we playing with like 70 scholarship guys? You don't ask guys to leave unless there's a reason.

Only position it makes sense to let a couple guys go is OL. We have numbers there, but they're bad numbers. 2 seniors +4 freshman = let 2 guys walk. Prob Jahair Jones being one of them
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This 70 scholarship garbage is overblown and meaningless when talking about guys who don't belong on the roster. I'd have to see the actual numbers to buy that number anyway. Whatever the number actually is doesn't justify keeping guys around who can't help you win games.

Oversign and allocate some early enrollees to last year's class. You must constantly work that roster like Saban does. When you determine a guy can't play you move him out. If you're not willing to do that then you have no business being the HC here. You need to constantly work on bettering your roster.
 
The Franchise said:
Bunch of soft participation award bird chests in here. LOL at keeping D2 level players here just because you think they try hard. Move them the fck out and replace them with much better players. Help them find a D2 spot, but get them the fck off my roster.

Slugs don't give you good looks on the scout team; great young talent gives you good looks on the scout team.
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It doesn't have anything to do with being soft, and everything to do with honor and commitment. You can't tell a kid to honor, sacrifice and commit to the team and coaches, when the coaches aren't able to do the same thing to the players. Do as I say, not as I do? C'mon.

If you're not going to "pay" these kids to play football, it's bad form to "cut" college kids and forcing them to go to another school, which may or may not be as strong academically. You're already making millions off the backs in the form of free labor, hard work and effort from these guys (even if it's on the scout team); honor the scholarship.

Lastly, some of these guys are the first in their families to go to college. You shouldn't just toss a kid out like chattel. Own up to the scholarship, if their hard working kids that's doing the right thing on and off the field; it wasn't their fault a mistake might have been made with the evaluation.

Who knows, so of these same "underperforming" kids might end up being coaches one day at the HS, college or pro level. It happens a lot. That same guy might end up coaching at top HS, and he might just steer many his top players to UM, given the positive experience he had here. Sometime life pays you back in magical ways --It's a feedback loop
 
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