Who is your favorite Hurricanes Defensive Coordinator?

[guppycane]

I was such a Sonny Lubick fan that I still pull for Colorado St to this day.

 

[88]

Young had some games where he did great, but other like GT and FSU where he got dismantled.

 

[CaneSuger]

Wannstache

 

[bigmont80]

1. Sony Lubick
2. Dave Wannstedt
3. Tubberville
4. Tom Olivadotti/Shannon (tie)

spot on

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[D7.]

Dave Wannstedt

The Stache'

 

[Canesfan1899]

I think Young could've been a **** good DC here had he stayed, his scheme was so different from what RS was used to I don't think he ever truly got to implement his scheme properly.

 

[Awsi Dooger]

I was such a Sonny Lubick fan that I still pull for Colorado St to this day.

Same. And I catch myself thinking he's still their head coach.

 

[k9cane]

Jimmy Johnson implemented the now famous Miami 40 slide/over defense. The scheme was based upon the fixing everything towards the sidelines, known commonly as "wrong arm technique or bounce technique." The defensive line main purpose was to work hard for penetration on the snap and get up field. This allowed the linebackers to scrap over the top and chase down everything laterally. It also allowed the secondary to play the cut back lanes. Under Johnson Miami primarily played cover 2 zone. Cover 2 was Miami's bread and butter coverage until around 1987. Johnson implemented more quarter coverage around that timeframe, and it became the secret coverage of the Miami defense. Johnson was never a biltz guy. He preferred keeping everything in front of the front seven. In fact I can only recall one game where Miami broke from its normal cover 2 and 4 coverages. Against the noles in '88, Johnson turned the dogs loose, and that formulated the blueprint for the Sonny Lubick style of Miami defense to come.

Dy, I remember after the game Bobby Bowden flat out said,"Jimmy Johnson is a defensive genuis."It was literally the only time that FSU ever got throttled like that

BTW, Jimmy's book, he devotes a good time about how he developed his style of one-gap pressure and how it was so against the grain at that time of read-and-react fronts. Tom Olividatti was no fan, lol

 

[CaneHammer]

Put me down in the Lubick Fan Club.

 

[PowerIslam aka Sumdumgoy]

Easy -Randy

 

[CaptJackSparrow]

i go with Sonny Lubick as well

either way great and original thread topic..pos rep for OP

someone do OC next?

 

[HurricaneinLA]

Jimmy Johnson implemented the now famous Miami 40 slide/over defense. The scheme was based upon the fixing everything towards the sidelines, known commonly as "wrong arm technique or bounce technique." The defensive line main purpose was to work hard for penetration on the snap and get up field. This allowed the linebackers to scrap over the top and chase down everything laterally. It also allowed the secondary to play the cut back lanes. Under Johnson Miami primarily played cover 2 zone. Cover 2 was Miami's bread and butter coverage until around 1987. Johnson implemented more quarter coverage around that timeframe, and it became the secret coverage of the Miami defense. Johnson was never a biltz guy. He preferred keeping everything in front of the front seven. In fact I can only recall one game where Miami broke from its normal cover 2 and 4 coverages. Against the noles in '88, Johnson turned the dogs loose, and that formulated the blueprint for the Sonny Lubick style of Miami defense to come.

Dy, I remember after the game Bobby Bowden flat out said,"Jimmy Johnson is a defensive genuis."It was literally the only time that FSU ever got throttled like that

BTW, Jimmy's book, he devotes a good time about how he developed his style of one-gap pressure and how it was so against the grain at that time of read-and-react fronts. Tom Olividatti was no fan, lol

A lot of great dominating Miami teams. Jerome Brown at the coin toss saying I don't give a dam, give them the ball at the 50. Fun just watching the defense just wrecking havoc on other teams.

 

[Dynasty]

Jimmy Johnson implemented the now famous Miami 40 slide/over defense. The scheme was based upon the fixing everything towards the sidelines, known commonly as "wrong arm technique or bounce technique." The defensive line main purpose was to work hard for penetration on the snap and get up field. This allowed the linebackers to scrap over the top and chase down everything laterally. It also allowed the secondary to play the cut back lanes. Under Johnson Miami primarily played cover 2 zone. Cover 2 was Miami's bread and butter coverage until around 1987. Johnson implemented more quarter coverage around that timeframe, and it became the secret coverage of the Miami defense. Johnson was never a biltz guy. He preferred keeping everything in front of the front seven. In fact I can only recall one game where Miami broke from its normal cover 2 and 4 coverages. Against the noles in '88, Johnson turned the dogs loose, and that formulated the blueprint for the Sonny Lubick style of Miami defense to come.

Dy, I remember after the game Bobby Bowden flat out said,"Jimmy Johnson is a defensive genuis."It was literally the only time that FSU ever got throttled like that

BTW, Jimmy's book, he devotes a good time about how he developed his style of one-gap pressure and how it was so against the grain at that time of read-and-react fronts. Tom Olividatti was no fan, lol

Bobby Bowden wasn't prepared for what Johnson threw at him that night in the Orange Bowl. As mentioned, Johnson was a numbers guys, in that, he kept everything in front of the back seven ( I mistyped earlier when I said front seven). I meant back seven. Johnson rolled that cover-2 (zone) look into a 4-across match up man coverage and sent six defenders. It was pure heat at its finest. Fsu had no answer. Indeed, Johnson was a defensive genuis.

There have been three defensive coaches at Miami who brought something significant to the table. Johnson being the first with the traditional 40 slide/over front. The second was Sonny Lubick. Sonny brought pure "juice" to an already effective defensive philosophy. I'm telling you this guy was a defensive back dream. His philosophy was different than Johnson in that he believed in creating single blocking match ups upfront. If the interior defensive linemen were getting handle with double teams, Lubick would not hesitate in sending linebackers to create one on one match ups. And, that became the staple of the Miami defense under Lubick and Tubberville. Running wider splits upfront and getting off the ball. Let me put it this way, when you're playing with basically four defensive ends ( Patrick, Miller, Hamlet, Medearis) you've got to be quick and fast to be effective. The backers of Armstead, Barrow and Smith provided the necessary juice for the upfront troops to be disruptive as ****. I've never seen a more active defensive front seven than the ones Lubick and Tubberville ran while at UM. As a matter of fact, the backers under Lubick and Tubberville had more responsibly than any other group of linebackes in UM history, particularliy the trio of Armstead, Barrow and Smith. That group brought absolute thunder and genetrated instant heat to an upfield, penetarating defensive front.

The third was BDavis. He and CPagno (?) implemented something Miami had never ran before, the 4-4 defensive scheme. They were more what I would call coverage innovators than front guys. The front seven was like JJohnson, but the secondary is where BDavis made his mark. The now famous (single) inverted cover-2. Davis would bring down ABlades into the box as the eighth defender and rotate the boundary corner, MRumph, as the second two deep defender. He would run this out of a two deep look and 1/4, 1/4, 1/2 look. It was something sweet when ABlades would actually make the takle instead of trying to blow someone up. Also, under Davis the Will linebacker was the freaking man, everything was geared for hi to be free to run and smash. It was a break from JJ's mike backers to be man. Davis' front seven play was not as aggressive as JJ's because the DL actually played more gap controlled assignments. This is something JJ and Davis did during their Dallas Cowboy days

Here's the question about our current defensive staff, where is the innovation? During our championship years, we were a step ahead of our competition. I don't see it with this current staff, even if we have outstanding players at evey position.

 

[BigPoppaCane]

TIM WALTON

 

[canesrdynamite]

I would go with Randy Shannon. UM had the best defense the 6 years he was DC.

and it was still pretty horrible. Couldn't stop the run EVER.
Only reason he was relatively successful is because those guys were ball hawks and created TONS of turnovers.

You made me check the stats. Usually we were somewhere between #20 and #40 in the country vs the run.

BUT

His 2006 defense was #4 in the country against the run lol. Of all of Randy's defenses, I wouldn't have picked Glen Cook, Beason, & Tavares Gooden to be our best lb corps against the run.

 

[Dynasty]

Another thing about the Miami defense during those days was that Fsu copied everything UM did. Just check the evolution of Mickey Andrews defenses during that period. They went from an "okie" 5-2 to the 4-3 over around 1986 to 1989. Once Sonny Lubick hit the sidelines in '89, installing the fashion of the day the bear '46', it didn't take Andrews long to follow suit in '90. Lubick and company moved on to create the original wide-9 version on the collegiate level, while still playing cover-4 matchup behind it. Guess what Mikey and those chumps at FSu did? Yeah, you already know. They combined Lubick's wide-9 version with JJohnson's cover-4 matchup ('88) and turned it into a cover-1 look. And Mickey ran that stuff until the day he retired.

The same can be said offensively. After '89, Fsu went completely ace formation, shotgun. Where did that stuff originate from? Another UM innovator...Dennis "pick" Erickson. ****, even Lou Holtz ran trip formations at ND after facing the pinkster.

Man, once upon a time UM was the cutting edge of defensive and offensive philosophy on the collegiate level. No more. We're playing catch up.

 

[k9cane]

Another thing about the Miami defense during those days was that Fsu copied everything UM did. Just check the evolution of Mickey Andrews defenses during that period. They went from an "okie" 5-2 to the 4-3 over around 1986 to 1989. Once Sonny Lubick hit the sidelines in '89, installing the fashion of the day the bear '46', it didn't take Andrews long to follow suit in '90. Lubick and company moved on to create the original wide-9 version on the collegiate level, while still playing cover-4 matchup behind it. Guess what Mikey and those chumps at FSu did? Yeah, you already know. They combined Lubick's wide-9 version with JJohnson's cover-4 matchup ('88) and turned it into a cover-1 look. And Mickey ran that stuff until the day he retired.

The same can be said offensively. After '89, Fsu went completely ace formation, shotgun. Where did that stuff originate from? Another UM innovator...Dennis "pick" Erickson. ****, even Lou Holtz ran trip formations at ND after facing the pinkster.

Man, once upon a time UM was the cutting edge of defensive and offensive philosophy on the collegiate level. No more. We're playing catch up.

Yeah, and on the other side of the ball, you had Gary Stevens( one of the guys who was ahead of the curve in terms of the passing game in the 80's) and then ERRickson. But you make an interesting point, in the age of the spread, UM is still a bit reluctant to adapt it's ways

 

[LuCane]

Jimmy Johnson implemented the now famous Miami 40 slide/over defense. The scheme was based upon the fixing everything towards the sidelines, known commonly as "wrong arm technique or bounce technique." The defensive line main purpose was to work hard for penetration on the snap and get up field. This allowed the linebackers to scrap over the top and chase down everything laterally. It also allowed the secondary to play the cut back lanes. Under Johnson Miami primarily played cover 2 zone. Cover 2 was Miami's bread and butter coverage until around 1987. Johnson implemented more quarter coverage around that timeframe, and it became the secret coverage of the Miami defense. Johnson was never a biltz guy. He preferred keeping everything in front of the front seven. In fact I can only recall one game where Miami broke from its normal cover 2 and 4 coverages. Against the noles in '88, Johnson turned the dogs loose, and that formulated the blueprint for the Sonny Lubick style of Miami defense to come.

Dy, I remember after the game Bobby Bowden flat out said,"Jimmy Johnson is a defensive genuis."It was literally the only time that FSU ever got throttled like that

BTW, Jimmy's book, he devotes a good time about how he developed his style of one-gap pressure and how it was so against the grain at that time of read-and-react fronts. Tom Olividatti was no fan, lol

Bobby Bowden wasn't prepared for what Johnson threw at him that night in the Orange Bowl. As mentioned, Johnson was a numbers guys, in that, he kept everything in front of the back seven ( I mistyped earlier when I said front seven). I meant back seven. Johnson rolled that cover-2 (zone) look into a 4-across match up man coverage and sent six defenders. It was pure heat at its finest. Fsu had no answer. Indeed, Johnson was a defensive genuis.

There have been three defensive coaches at Miami who brought something significant to the table. Johnson being the first with the traditional 40 slide/over front. The second was Sonny Lubick. Sonny brought pure "juice" to an already effective defensive philosophy. I'm telling you this guy was a defensive back dream. His philosophy was different than Johnson in that he believed in creating single blocking match ups upfront. If the interior defensive linemen were getting handle with double teams, Lubick would not hesitate in sending linebackers to create one on one match ups. And, that became the staple of the Miami defense under Lubick and Tubberville. Running wider splits upfront and getting off the ball. Let me put it this way, when you're playing with basically four defensive ends ( Patrick, Miller, Hamlet, Medearis) you've got to be quick and fast to be effective. The backers of Armstead, Barrow and Smith provided the necessary juice for the upfront troops to be disruptive as ****. I've never seen a more active defensive front seven than the ones Lubick and Tubberville ran while at UM. As a matter of fact, the backers under Lubick and Tubberville had more responsibly than any other group of linebackes in UM history, particularliy the trio of Armstead, Barrow and Smith. That group brought absolute thunder and genetrated instant heat to an upfield, penetarating defensive front.

The third was BDavis. He and CPagno (?) implemented something Miami had never ran before, the 4-4 defensive scheme. They were more what I would call coverage innovators than front guys. The front seven was like JJohnson, but the secondary is where BDavis made his mark. The now famous (single) inverted cover-2. Davis would bring down ABlades into the box as the eighth defender and rotate the boundary corner, MRumph, as the second two deep defender. He would run this out of a two deep look and 1/4, 1/4, 1/2 look. It was something sweet when ABlades would actually make the takle instead of trying to blow someone up. Also, under Davis the Will linebacker was the freaking man, everything was geared for hi to be free to run and smash. It was a break from JJ's mike backers to be man. Davis' front seven play was not as aggressive as JJ's because the DL actually played more gap controlled assignments. This is something JJ and Davis did during their Dallas Cowboy days

Here's the question about our current defensive staff, where is the innovation? During our championship years, we were a step ahead of our competition. I don't see it with this current staff, even if we have outstanding players at evey position.

This has been my question for 10 years. I don't think it's an issue of just the coaches. I think it's an issue of the administration. You can't simply ask coaches to "just innovate." You have to hire innovators. At the very least, you have to encourage and support the head coach to surround himself with technical innovators even if he is not necessarily one himself. This is no different than running a business, and the reality is that our Chairman of the Board (Shalala) and our President (Athletic Director) have unfortunately failed in this facet for upward of a decade.

People will respond with "well, money" and "well, we should absolutely do the spread." That's not the point. Innovation and technical competitive edges can be had any number of ways. Some of the most interesting coaching and innovation often comes out of the MAC and similar conferences. Even lower levels of football. In college basketball, the top coaches have even gone so far as to try to learn from HS guys. Maybe you don't pluck those guys to be head coaches, but you hire head coaches from Temple-like schools, but with football trees that go down to the roots of innovation. What propelled Miami to become "Miami" was a commitment to a mentality that required having an "edge." We lost that when Butch left and we settled.

 

[Marcelo2988]

Jimmy Johnson implemented the now famous Miami 40 slide/over defense. The scheme was based upon the fixing everything towards the sidelines, known commonly as "wrong arm technique or bounce technique." The defensive line main purpose was to work hard for penetration on the snap and get up field. This allowed the linebackers to scrap over the top and chase down everything laterally. It also allowed the secondary to play the cut back lanes. Under Johnson Miami primarily played cover 2 zone. Cover 2 was Miami's bread and butter coverage until around 1987. Johnson implemented more quarter coverage around that timeframe, and it became the secret coverage of the Miami defense. Johnson was never a biltz guy. He preferred keeping everything in front of the front seven. In fact I can only recall one game where Miami broke from its normal cover 2 and 4 coverages. Against the noles in '88, Johnson turned the dogs loose, and that formulated the blueprint for the Sonny Lubick style of Miami defense to come.

Dy, I remember after the game Bobby Bowden flat out said,"Jimmy Johnson is a defensive genuis."It was literally the only time that FSU ever got throttled like that

BTW, Jimmy's book, he devotes a good time about how he developed his style of one-gap pressure and how it was so against the grain at that time of read-and-react fronts. Tom Olividatti was no fan, lol

Bobby Bowden wasn't prepared for what Johnson threw at him that night in the Orange Bowl. As mentioned, Johnson was a numbers guys, in that, he kept everything in front of the back seven ( I mistyped earlier when I said front seven). I meant back seven. Johnson rolled that cover-2 (zone) look into a 4-across match up man coverage and sent six defenders. It was pure heat at its finest. Fsu had no answer. Indeed, Johnson was a defensive genuis.

There have been three defensive coaches at Miami who brought something significant to the table. Johnson being the first with the traditional 40 slide/over front. The second was Sonny Lubick. Sonny brought pure "juice" to an already effective defensive philosophy. I'm telling you this guy was a defensive back dream. His philosophy was different than Johnson in that he believed in creating single blocking match ups upfront. If the interior defensive linemen were getting handle with double teams, Lubick would not hesitate in sending linebackers to create one on one match ups. And, that became the staple of the Miami defense under Lubick and Tubberville. Running wider splits upfront and getting off the ball. Let me put it this way, when you're playing with basically four defensive ends ( Patrick, Miller, Hamlet, Medearis) you've got to be quick and fast to be effective. The backers of Armstead, Barrow and Smith provided the necessary juice for the upfront troops to be disruptive as ****. I've never seen a more active defensive front seven than the ones Lubick and Tubberville ran while at UM. As a matter of fact, the backers under Lubick and Tubberville had more responsibly than any other group of linebackes in UM history, particularliy the trio of Armstead, Barrow and Smith. That group brought absolute thunder and genetrated instant heat to an upfield, penetarating defensive front.

The third was BDavis. He and CPagno (?) implemented something Miami had never ran before, the 4-4 defensive scheme. They were more what I would call coverage innovators than front guys. The front seven was like JJohnson, but the secondary is where BDavis made his mark. The now famous (single) inverted cover-2. Davis would bring down ABlades into the box as the eighth defender and rotate the boundary corner, MRumph, as the second two deep defender. He would run this out of a two deep look and 1/4, 1/4, 1/2 look. It was something sweet when ABlades would actually make the takle instead of trying to blow someone up. Also, under Davis the Will linebacker was the freaking man, everything was geared for hi to be free to run and smash. It was a break from JJ's mike backers to be man. Davis' front seven play was not as aggressive as JJ's because the DL actually played more gap controlled assignments. This is something JJ and Davis did during their Dallas Cowboy days

Here's the question about our current defensive staff, where is the innovation? During our championship years, we were a step ahead of our competition. I don't see it with this current staff, even if we have outstanding players at evey position.

This has been my question for 10 years. I don't think it's an issue of just the coaches. I think it's an issue of the administration. You can't simply ask coaches to "just innovate." You have to hire innovators. At the very least, you have to encourage and support the head coach to surround himself with technical innovators even if he is not necessarily one himself. This is no different than running a business, and the reality is that our Chairman of the Board (Shalala) and our President (Athletic Director) have unfortunately failed in this facet for upward of a decade.

People will respond with "well, money" and "well, we should absolutely do the spread." That's not the point. Innovation and technical competitive edges can be had any number of ways. Some of the most interesting coaching and innovation often comes out of the MAC and similar conferences. Even lower levels of football. In college basketball, the top coaches have even gone so far as to try to learn from HS guys. Maybe you don't pluck those guys to be head coaches, but you hire head coaches from Temple-like schools, but with football trees that go down to the roots of innovation. What propelled Miami to become "Miami" was a commitment to a mentality that required having an "edge." We lost that when Butch left and we settled.

Agree with everything being said, but not every successful program has innovators. It sure as **** would be nice to have some innovative coordinators and coaches, but it is not a requirement to be dominant IMO. There is nothing innovative about LSU and Alabama. We as cane fans just have to hope that Golden and staff have an eye for talent and more importantly, could develop talent. With that, we have a chance to become dominant again due to the talent available in this region.

I also believe of all our coaches, Fisch has the most potential to bring something new to the game and be innovative with schemes and playcalls. I like what I've seen from him so far, but that's just me.

 

[weownfsu]

I really liked Fisch last year. I thought he did a great job and while our guys started to revert to what they really were near the end of the year, I figured with some more experience and better players he'd do great. I dunno whats up with him this year, though. I get that Morris is robotic, and not that good, but we have a big OL and a super-talented RB + an average RB. Our receivers aren't great. So instead of pounding the ball with our big OL and getting some decent yards, thus setting up play action to make things easier on our average QB and average receivers, we're throwing short passes all over the field. It's not effective and I hope Fisch goes back to his offense last year, which had a rhyme and reason. This year, it's a grab-bag offense.