Well, ****, college recruiting is an absolute cesspool

[Duval904]

Jeez, guys, where have you been?

How in Hades do you think it's been working in the South (SEC) for the past decades?? They don't pull a Shapiro! That's a direct contact! That's about as dumb as anyone can possibly be.

For decades and decades - the money goes through the congregations. The preacher gets his cut, and the FAMILY gets the money - NOT the damned player.

The congregation isn't taxed on the money, the person(s) writing the checks get a tax deduction for charity giving, and the player is clean. He never did NOTHING. He goes where he's told.

See what you boys miss by not attending Sunday school? Lots and lots of top talents . . .

Just bc it's not taxed it still has to be accounted for...and those boys giving ain't getting no tax write off lol

smh

 

[Chicken_N_Roffles]

Jeez, guys, where have you been?

How in Hades do you think it's been working in the South (SEC) for the past decades?? They don't pull a Shapiro! That's a direct contact! That's about as dumb as anyone can possibly be.

For decades and decades - the money goes through the congregations. The preacher gets his cut, and the FAMILY gets the money - NOT the damned player.

The congregation isn't taxed on the money, the person(s) writing the checks get a tax deduction for charity giving, and the player is clean. He never did NOTHING. He goes where he's told.

See what you boys miss by not attending Sunday school? Lots and lots of top talents . . .

Just bc it's not taxed it still has to be accounted for...and those boys giving ain't getting no tax write off lol

Smh

 

[UMFarArcher]

Jeez, guys, where have you been?

How in Hades do you think it's been working in the South (SEC) for the past decades?? They don't pull a Shapiro! That's a direct contact! That's about as dumb as anyone can possibly be.

For decades and decades - the money goes through the congregations. The preacher gets his cut, and the FAMILY gets the money - NOT the damned player.

The congregation isn't taxed on the money, the person(s) writing the checks get a tax deduction for charity giving, and the player is clean. He never did NOTHING. He goes where he's told.

See what you boys miss by not attending Sunday school? Lots and lots of top talents . . .

Just bc it's not taxed it still has to be accounted for...and those boys giving ain't getting no tax write off lol

Lots of local southern congregations have their normal contributions. Then there are the special contributions. Special contributions are not comingled with normal contributions. If someone suggests that a special contribution be added to a Sunday normal contribution, strictly for assisting a family to send a (special) son off to college, they pass the trays and there are both checks and cash. Nothing wrong with this, and the IRS has no frikkin' way of knowing this, as it's not part of the normal contribution. Nor would they likely ever give a tinker's ****.

So they take that special contribution and if one has a satchel of cash, it doesn't go into the offering plates. It's passed to the preacher in private as part of the special contribution - as it wouldn't be practical for one or more folks with thousands of dollars to overload the small contribution plates. In exchange for holding the special contribution, the preacher/church gets something like a 10% tithing fee for handling/hosting the event.

The preacher is happy, the church is happy to help one of their own, and I can guarantee you the family is happy.

There are several variations of this, dependent on the local congregation and parties involved, but the bottom line is it's the means of NOT having direct contact with a recruit - and it's done indirectly with the family informing the recruit where he's going to play. Even on this one day, scores of additional non-members (who were contacted in advance, and made out specific checks in advance) can have their multi-hundred dollar checks placed in the contribution plate during this special contribution, and that is another way of piling it up.

It's just like political contribution limitations. There's lots of ways to get around it, and it's done every day. One guy with a ton of money can have checks that meet lawful limitations sent by all family members, employees are handed cash in exchange for a check written for that amount in their name, friends, neighbors, on and on. So one guy can contribute millions directly to the politician, and still meet the dollar limitations. He just spread it out.

And no, not everything is always accounted for. I can take the very same data provided to issue financial statements, and using generally accepted accounting principles, come up with several different financial statements - all using the identical, same numbers. It's how some items are treated, how they are accounted for, and where they are put. To the degree that the different financial statements are not even close to each other.

First question - capitalization or maximum income? After that, it gets very creative.

 

[Larry]

this is how they operate in the $EC and one reason why it is hard to nail them down (of course the media has no real interest it seems in nailing them)

The media would love to nail the SEC. I mean, c'mon...they tried to destroy Auburn mid-season over the Cam Newton stuff.

Problem is...good luck proving anything.

The NCAA puts more man hours to investigating the SEC than any other conference...but it comes down to what you can prove. Which is...nothin.

 

[WhatTheHell]

I think this is awesome.

People worship two things in the south: God and college football. Makes sense they are helping each other.

 

[CanefaninBuckeyeland]

I think this is awesome.

People worship two things in the south: God and college football. Makes sense they are helping each other.

You got that right. The problem that will come out of all this is, as the waters become more and more muddied, the IRS will become more and more aggressive in investigating these allegations. At some point a spurned "contributor" will blow the whole thing up. At that point, it won't matter what church it is nor where they're located, all churches will be under the microscope and football programs will be decimated. It'll make SMU look like non-moving traffic violation in comparison.

 

[GhostofVenice01]

I think this is awesome.

People worship two things in the south: God and college football. Makes sense they are helping each other.

This

 

[razrcane]

Jeez, guys, where have you been?

How in Hades do you think it's been working in the South (SEC) for the past decades?? They don't pull a Shapiro! That's a direct contact! That's about as dumb as anyone can possibly be.

For decades and decades - the money goes through the congregations. The preacher gets his cut, and the FAMILY gets the money - NOT the damned player.

The congregation isn't taxed on the money, the person(s) writing the checks get a tax deduction for charity giving, and the player is clean. He never did NOTHING. He goes where he's told.

See what you boys miss by not attending Sunday school? Lots and lots of top talents . . .

Just bc it's not taxed it still has to be accounted for...and those boys giving ain't getting no tax write off lol

Lots of local southern congregations have their normal contributions. Then there are the special contributions. Special contributions are not comingled with normal contributions. If someone suggests that a special contribution be added to a Sunday normal contribution, strictly for assisting a family to send a (special) son off to college, they pass the trays and there are both checks and cash. Nothing wrong with this, and the IRS has no frikkin' way of knowing this, as it's not part of the normal contribution. Nor would they likely ever give a tinker's ****.

So they take that special contribution and if one has a satchel of cash, it doesn't go into the offering plates. It's passed to the preacher in private as part of the special contribution - as it wouldn't be practical for one or more folks with thousands of dollars to overload the small contribution plates. In exchange for holding the special contribution, the preacher/church gets something like a 10% tithing fee for handling/hosting the event.

The preacher is happy, the church is happy to help one of their own, and I can guarantee you the family is happy.

There are several variations of this, dependent on the local congregation and parties involved, but the bottom line is it's the means of NOT having direct contact with a recruit - and it's done indirectly with the family informing the recruit where he's going to play. Even on this one day, scores of additional non-members (who were contacted in advance, and made out specific checks in advance) can have their multi-hundred dollar checks placed in the contribution plate during this special contribution, and that is another way of piling it up.

It's just like political contribution limitations. There's lots of ways to get around it, and it's done every day. One guy with a ton of money can have checks that meet lawful limitations sent by all family members, employees are handed cash in exchange for a check written for that amount in their name, friends, neighbors, on and on. So one guy can contribute millions directly to the politician, and still meet the dollar limitations. He just spread it out.

And no, not everything is always accounted for. I can take the very same data provided to issue financial statements, and using generally accepted accounting principles, come up with several different financial statements - all using the identical, same numbers. It's how some items are treated, how they are accounted for, and where they are put. To the degree that the different financial statements are not even close to each other.

First question - capitalization or maximum income? After that, it gets very creative.

that's a good analysis +1

 

[Canesfan1899]

this is how they operate in the $EC and one reason why it is hard to nail them down (of course the media has no real interest it seems in nailing them)

The media would love to nail the SEC. I mean, c'mon...they tried to destroy Auburn mid-season over the Cam Newton stuff.

Problem is...good luck proving anything.

The NCAA puts more man hours to investigating the SEC than any other conference...but it comes down to what you can prove. Which is...nothin.

******* Shapiro!!

We still skate?

 

[PSU Cane]

Interesting..How does church four account for giving that large of a sum to one family?

who are they accountable to? a small town church may be completely independent from any other entity

The GOV...IRS

Churches are not taxed.

See canefans post about the IRS

First off, churches don't even have to file for tax exemption.....they already are exempt by law. Some file anyways though.

As for losing that status, churches would need to break the requirements. The IRS doesn't waste time auditing churches, they spend their time auditing big businesses and multi million dollar charities where the real money is. They are not going to care about some little church down in SEC country.

Audits

"The authority of the IRS to audit churches is strictly limited. It may audit a church only if a high-level employee of the U.S. Treasury Department authorizes an audit based on facts and circumstances, or on a belief that the church either does not qualify for 501(c)(3) status or has not been paying taxes on income that is unrelated to its religious mission."