We have less talent than other teams?

[fastcane]

You got it, but some here don't understand If you Defensive like sucks, you're going to get stomped by a little above average teams. You can talk to some of these people till you are blue in the face they will never get it. They will never understand how important a defensive like is, and ours sucks big time. But,but it's all the coaches fault. We have inferior players on the line, when we were winning early in the season I was telling my friends it's only a matter of time before we start losing with this D line and inferior Defense in general. Yes some of the young kids will be good, but we are two years away from that if the new recruits play up to their potential.

I will say this, I heard the commentators bring up a single high safety a ton.. that makes it inexplicable that duke was getting so much chunk yardage on run plays. And while we do have scheme issues I don't think scheme was the main reason we were getting our **** pushed back.

 

[fastcane]

lol, Is it you don't like the name Duke? You think just because they sucked forever they can't have one or two good years? It happens every year, a few teams do alright in their conference that don't usually. With only 2 good years of recruiting we are still 2 years away from being a much better team.

Average to below average talent plus a lousy scheme/philosophy=500 yards a game to ACC teams.

The talent's got nothing to do with getting gashed to death by teams like Puke and Vag Tech. You have to look at the teams with LESS talent than us who have handled those teams and not given up record yardage.

Come on dude. Talents has NOTHING to do with it???

Not versus Dook it doesn't. You can't ****ing tell me Duke has more talent than we do.

And if you think Duke has more talent than us then the whole staff needs to be gone.

 

[fastcane]

He is spot on, our senior talent sucks. Nothing we can do about it.

The talent's got nothing to do with getting gashed to death by teams like Puke and Vag Tech. You have to look at the teams with LESS talent than us who have handled those teams and not given up record yardage.

Come on dude. Talents has NOTHING to do with it???

Reading comprehension, dude. It's got nothing to do with us "getting gashed to death". Problem with these boards is that people love to play everything down the middle to appear reasonable and intelligent. Our talent isn't good enough to compete with FSU and Bama and that upper echelon that consists of about 5 or 6 teams.

I can't believe you guys are arguing that talent caused us to get destroyed by some very bad offensive teams this year. It's unbelievable to me that you can't see how stupid that is.

Puke couldn't run on anyone. They were averaging 100 yards on the ground over the last couple games. THEY HUNG 350 ON US ON THE GROUND!!!! 350!!! You don't see how absurd that is?

If we had held them NEAR their average, we win that game going away. Look at the teams that they played to get to their average. They didn't play Bama and FSU every week. Did you see their QB run through the A gap 5 times for TDs and go in standing up? We barely touched him. You cool with that? We don't have anyone to stop that basic play or at least hit him or put up SOME modicum of resistance?

I want coach d gone for the record. Our d will probably finish in the 90s in total d. If bama defensive coach coached here we probably finish in the 60-70s is my point

Your point is a bad point. Kirby Smart wouldn't be in the 60s or 70s playing the insanely ****** schedule we've played.

 

[LuCane]

Watching Saturday's game reminded me of watching the handful of times a school like Belen or, more accurately, Gulliver, took on Central, Booker T or Northwestern and…

…won.

I wanted to throw up all over the ******* place. The Gulliver Raiders beat the Miami Hurricanes.

 

[fastcane]

On D line probably not, that's where it all starts.

Well VT has 5 guys on D that will get drafted this year. GT has 2-3. We have 1 maybe.

If you mean talent running a 40, bench press, shuttle time, then maybe we have more talent. If you mean diagnosing plays, tackling, covering, and actually playing football then no we dont have more talent on D then VT, GT and Duke.

I dont really understand the ****ing match between everyone on here. We can all agree the coach D needs to go, but the talent we have playing right now no matter what scheme I dont believe is better than a 40-50 ranked defense.

Its not black or white, both need to be better.

No one is saying our talent doesn't need to be better to get to where we want to go.

Here are the list of teams who held Duke Football to less overall yards and rushing yards than we did:

North Carolina Central
Memphis (allowed less than 50% of the rushing yards)
Ga. Tech (you should see these numbers - 50% less total yards and less than 40% total yards)
Pittsburgh allowed slightly LESS yards total and less rushing yards, and they were in a 58-55 shootout with Duke
Troy
Navy
Virginia
Virginia Tech
NC State

Yep. You guessed it. Every single ****ing team on their entire schedule.

With no talent plus a d coach that is not very good = record numbers by duke

Do you think we have more talent than any teams on that list?

 

[Notsince1985]

Well VT has 5 guys on D that will get drafted this year. GT has 2-3. We have 1 maybe.

If you mean talent running a 40, bench press, shuttle time, then maybe we have more talent. If you mean diagnosing plays, tackling, covering, and actually playing football then no we dont have more talent on D then VT, GT and Duke.

I dont really understand the ****ing match between everyone on here. We can all agree the coach D needs to go, but the talent we have playing right now no matter what scheme I dont believe is better than a 40-50 ranked defense.

Its not black or white, both need to be better.

No one is saying our talent doesn't need to be better to get to where we want to go.

Here are the list of teams who held Duke Football to less overall yards and rushing yards than we did:

North Carolina Central
Memphis (allowed less than 50% of the rushing yards)
Ga. Tech (you should see these numbers - 50% less total yards and less than 40% total yards)
Pittsburgh allowed slightly LESS yards total and less rushing yards, and they were in a 58-55 shootout with Duke
Troy
Navy
Virginia
Virginia Tech
NC State

Yep. You guessed it. Every single ****ing team on their entire schedule.

With no talent plus a d coach that is not very good = record numbers by duke

There is no possible way you are this dense...I am just going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are a douchy troll.

D coach needs to be fired. But to think virginia, duke , or tech or pretty much any acc team is heads and tails worse plAyers than us is laughable. Just cause you followed these guys since high school don't make them good college football players.
Give me a shorter, slower player with heart and good anticipation and who know where to be and is a good college player over some prototype player with potetiAl but can't do his job on a college football field.

Troy, Memphis, North Carolina Central. Explain that. As for Virginia Tech, how about Marshall? Explain that.

 

[LuCane]

On D line probably not, that's where it all starts.

Well VT has 5 guys on D that will get drafted this year. GT has 2-3. We have 1 maybe.

If you mean talent running a 40, bench press, shuttle time, then maybe we have more talent. If you mean diagnosing plays, tackling, covering, and actually playing football then no we dont have more talent on D then VT, GT and Duke.

I dont really understand the ****ing match between everyone on here. We can all agree the coach D needs to go, but the talent we have playing right now no matter what scheme I dont believe is better than a 40-50 ranked defense.

Its not black or white, both need to be better.

No one is saying our talent doesn't need to be better to get to where we want to go.

Here are the list of teams who held Duke Football to less overall yards and rushing yards than we did:

North Carolina Central
Memphis (allowed less than 50% of the rushing yards)
Ga. Tech (you should see these numbers - 50% less total yards and less than 40% total yards)
Pittsburgh allowed slightly LESS yards total and less rushing yards, and they were in a 58-55 shootout with Duke
Troy
Navy
Virginia
Virginia Tech
NC State

Yep. You guessed it. Every single ****ing team on their entire schedule.

With no talent plus a d coach that is not very good = record numbers by duke

Do you think we have more talent than any teams on that list?

So you think we have the less talent on our DLine than all of the teams on that list? Got it.

 

[Coach Macho]

So now Porter, Robinson, Chickillo and Pierre are scrubs?

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

On D line probably not, that's where it all starts.

No one is saying our talent doesn't need to be better to get to where we want to go.

Here are the list of teams who held Duke Football to less overall yards and rushing yards than we did:

North Carolina Central
Memphis (allowed less than 50% of the rushing yards)
Ga. Tech (you should see these numbers - 50% less total yards and less than 40% total yards)
Pittsburgh allowed slightly LESS yards total and less rushing yards, and they were in a 58-55 shootout with Duke
Troy
Navy
Virginia
Virginia Tech
NC State

Yep. You guessed it. Every single ****ing team on their entire schedule.

With no talent plus a d coach that is not very good = record numbers by duke

Do you think we have more talent than any teams on that list?

So you think we have the less talent on our DLine than all of the teams on that list? Got it.

It takes a special type of ****** to really believe that statement.

 

[Notsince1985]

So now Porter, Robinson, Chickillo and Pierre are scrubs?

If it fits their dumbass argument, they will say it over and over and over again

 

[AtrainCane]

So much fail in this thread. Defending Corch Sht Show.......

 

[fastcane]

No, I think that line is much better than Bama's, it's all our coaches fault that they get dominated, can't stop average runners or get a few sacks a game. lol

On D line probably not, that's where it all starts.

No one is saying our talent doesn't need to be better to get to where we want to go.

Here are the list of teams who held Duke Football to less overall yards and rushing yards than we did:

North Carolina Central
Memphis (allowed less than 50% of the rushing yards)
Ga. Tech (you should see these numbers - 50% less total yards and less than 40% total yards)
Pittsburgh allowed slightly LESS yards total and less rushing yards, and they were in a 58-55 shootout with Duke
Troy
Navy
Virginia
Virginia Tech
NC State

Yep. You guessed it. Every single ****ing team on their entire schedule.

With no talent plus a d coach that is not very good = record numbers by duke

Do you think we have more talent than any teams on that list?

So you think we have the less talent on our DLine than all of the teams on that list? Got it.

 

[fastcane]

Well it sure and **** fits, lol. Just watch the games, it fits.

So now Porter, Robinson, Chickillo and Pierre are scrubs?

If it fits their dumbass argument, they will say it over and over and over again

 

[fastcane]

I'm surely not saying they are the best coaches but Saban couldn't do anything with that bunch. Are we watching the same games? They do well against real bad teams and get dominated against average teams, come on.

So much fail in this thread. Defending Corch Sht Show.......

 

[sebastian91]

There's more to being 'talented' than being fast and strong. I have little doubt that we are faster and stronger than most of the teams we play, and those that have played against them. That doesn't make us more talented. There's instincts, the ability to process information quickly (EVERY defense employs 'read and react' to some extent), the ability to execute techniques that have been drilled into their heads countless times (tackling), and there's belief in what you're doing and confidence in your abilities.

Whether it's due to coaching or players, or the more likely combination of the two, I do know that the defense is not playing well enough, under any level of expectation. When there are plays there to be made, they aren't making them. The scheme is putting the players in position to make those plays on those occasions. When the players are not put in position to make plays, then that argues for schematic deficiencies. I've seen more than enough of both and believe that both the players and coaches need to be better, and we need to continue upgrading the overall talent and depth.

Coaching changes are irrelevant to me. No one with any clout cares what I think about the job the coaches are doing. The bottom line is that we don't know what goes on at practice, in the film room, in the meeting rooms, or on the sideline. We don't know what defense was called or what the individual responsibilities are. There's no point in stressing over things we don't know.

 

[The Franchise]

So now Porter, Robinson, Chickillo and Pierre are scrubs?

They are in the Bizarro World known as UM football message boards.

 

[canesman]

Bottom line....

We need better players to beat FSU.

We have good enough players right now to beat Duke 10 out of 10 times if we used the guys we have properly.

 

[Notsince1985]

Well it sure and **** fits, lol. Just watch the games, it fits.

So now Porter, Robinson, Chickillo and Pierre are scrubs?

If it fits their dumbass argument, they will say it over and over and over again

Porter was ranked the #19 DT in the nation by ESPN coming out of high school. Robinson was ranked as the #39 DT by Scout coming out of high school. Olsen Pierre was a 3-star recruit. Chickillo was a 5 star recruit by ESPN and and Rivals and the 3rd best DE in the nation in the same year as Clowney.

You're telling me North Carolina Central, Memphis and Troy have that talent on their DL? Now, I'm not saying that stars and recruiting rankings mean everything, but these guys were all highly recruited. These coaches have not gotten the most out of them, or have not out them in the best position to make plays.

 

[The Franchise]

Well it sure and **** fits, lol. Just watch the games, it fits.

So now Porter, Robinson, Chickillo and Pierre are scrubs?

If it fits their dumbass argument, they will say it over and over and over again

Porter was ranked the #19 DT in the nation by ESPN coming out of high school. Robinson was ranked as the #39 DT by Scout coming out of high school. Olsen Pierre was a 3-star recruit. Chickillo was a 5 star recruit by ESPN and and Rivals and the 3rd best DE in the nation in the same year as Clowney.

You're telling me North Carolina Central, Memphis and Troy have that talent on their DL? Now, I'm not saying that stars and recruiting rankings mean everything, but these guys were all highly recruited. These coaches have not gotten the most out of them, or have not out them in the best position to make plays.

Exactly. Porter was a helluva prospect. His first step and his explosiveness are both elite. He was 10x the prospect coming out of HS than Luther Maddy. Maddy is making tons of plays at VT getting upfield, and Porter is standing there playing pattycake with OL and getting pushed backward.

 

[fastcane]

Well it sure and **** fits, lol. Just watch the games, it fits.

So now Porter, Robinson, Chickillo and Pierre are scrubs?

If it fits their dumbass argument, they will say it over and over and over again

Porter was ranked the #19 DT in the nation by ESPN coming out of high school. Robinson was ranked as the #39 DT by Scout coming out of high school. Olsen Pierre was a 3-star recruit. Chickillo was a 5 star recruit by ESPN and and Rivals and the 3rd best DE in the nation in the same year as Clowney.

You're telling me North Carolina Central, Memphis and Troy have that talent on their DL? Now, I'm not saying that stars and recruiting rankings mean everything, but these guys were all highly recruited. These coaches have not gotten the most out of them, or have not out them in the best position to make plays.

Probably not, but it's probably closer than people think. Chick looked better his first year than he does now, too heavy for his frame. Robinson way over rated never did anything. Porter has been hurt most of his time here. Rarely do they get a hand near the QB. Our great teams use to blow up the offensive linemen and disrupt the QB. Without doing that we are done, with the linebackers and DB's we have starting. Bottom line, the apposing offensive lines are opening hole up big enough for a car to go through. We can talk about ratings all day, they are not doing their job, most of the reason is, they are not that good.

Who didn't think we were going to have a let down after getting blown out by Florida State? You could see all season we were on the edge looking to fall over. After losing DJ I knew we were in trouble the rest of the way. He is our only great player up to this point. Most of the players we have don't have his heart, that's another thing missing on this team. Did you see Flowers getting blown up by a so called inferior player? We had Coker leading the way in 2001 and 2, one of our worst HC's, those players were on cruise control. They could have won with a pee wee coach, we don't have enough great players on this team, it is what it is.