Was Our Defensive Performance an Aberration

[Bennubird]

I raised the question not because I think that much of o'leary or vt's TE but rather because during the off season several posters raised a concern about the ability of our LBs to cover pass catching TEs. As another Cane pointed out, we've got to get a more consistent pass rush and protect the football. We'll see.

o'leary doesn't have to be.

I think may initial post may have unintentionally misled somes Canes into thinking that I believe that TEs are going to beat us by themselves. I don't believe that, but I do believe that if o'leary has a similar night receiving as Ebron it's going to be a long night in Tallahassee because FSU overall is a much better team than UNC.

look u turn the ball over 4 times on the road and only hold em to 23 points. thats a good D. UF turned it over what 5 times and they held us to 21 and they have an ELITE d. dont worry so much about yards. donofrio and golden have said they dont worry bout yards they worry bout points. they want to be a top 20 D in points not yards and thats the only defensive stat that matters, frankly.

Nick O'Leary isn't in the same hemisphere as Ebron.

And he won't. I'd be much more concerned with crossing routes to Shaw and Greene.

 

[supacane]

This is not a UM caliber D.

Dont misunderstand me. 5X made the point in another thread. UM has castoffs, Highsmith, Rogers, Gaines, Green, Renfro, Gunter, starting at critical positions and still is 6-0 with stellar red zone D and 2nd half performances. Classic overachievers. Its fun to watch, but it is what it is, UM is a class away from being back to studs two deep all across the D.
UM can't get consistent pressure without a blitz against even an average OL, because this is not a UM caliber D-line.

It soon will be though, as the studs from the last and next classes fill out the DL with savages. That remains the missing ingredient. When UM gets back to a couple guys who consistently play in the backfield, QBs like Renner won't look so good.

Soon, very soon. And in the meantime, it is simply shocking to see the change in culture. The savages UM will plug into this system, this culture will be U-tough and never quit.

So PROUD of this team.

yes I've been saying that since the UF game. our defense is still littered with 2* projects and late pickups that are playing well above what anyone could have expected. that is exciting for the future. we are ahead of schedule right now. just keep on grinding

What you guys are saying is madness. VT recruits no better than we did over the period Randy was here. Every team has projects......matter of fact didnt Golden and No D make their name off projects at Temple? Isnt Pierre one of these two star projects? We compare ourselves to the elite programs in CFB but alot of elite teams get nowhere the caliber of recruits we get. More excuses.

 

[drifters1234]

This is not a UM caliber D.

Dont misunderstand me. 5X made the point in another thread. UM has castoffs, Highsmith, Rogers, Gaines, Green, Renfro, Gunter, starting at critical positions and still is 6-0 with stellar red zone D and 2nd half performances. Classic overachievers. Its fun to watch, but it is what it is, UM is a class away from being back to studs two deep all across the D.
UM can't get consistent pressure without a blitz against even an average OL, because this is not a UM caliber D-line.

It soon will be though, as the studs from the last and next classes fill out the DL with savages. That remains the missing ingredient. When UM gets back to a couple guys who consistently play in the backfield, QBs like Renner won't look so good.

Soon, very soon. And in the meantime, it is simply shocking to see the change in culture. The savages UM will plug into this system, this culture will be U-tough and never quit.

So PROUD of this team.

Our defense gave up 500 yards of offense last night, 199 yards of which went to Ebron their TE. During the off season I recall several threads that discussed the inability of our LBs to play the pass and that J. Grace would be an immediate upgrade. Obviously, Grace is not ready to get a lot of prime time snaps, which is to be expected, but we've got to find a way to get that issue fixed.

With FSU and Va Tech on the horizon what adjustments do we need to make to improve our pass defense in covering the tight end? Defensive gurus what say you?

I'm not sure what DT savages we have for next year, where we lose Porter and Renfrow.

I'm hopeful that Stuckey will be good and Pierre will continue to progress, but I think it's premature to coin him or anyone else at DT a "savage." All indications are that DT will not be a strength next year.

 

[BALDYCHUTES]

Idiot post.

Since when is VT our standard? GTFOH How many MNC's do the Hokies have.

Al himself said this NCAA crap has cost UM 40+ recruits that he wanted more then the guys he got. CFB is littered with the ones who got away because we have been mired in NCAA and 5-7. And those guys, the Watkins, the Joyner, the Lemoniers, the Jones, that WR for Bama, Cook,Collins, it goes on and on, the ones we swung at and missed. They are the difference between VT and one of the greatest CFB dynasties in our lifetime.

UM used to get those guys, the difference makers, and will again. In the meantime, go root for VT is they so impress you.

But then again, Al probably does not know as much as you.

This is not a UM caliber D.

Dont misunderstand me. 5X made the point in another thread. UM has castoffs, Highsmith, Rogers, Gaines, Green, Renfro, Gunter, starting at critical positions and still is 6-0 with stellar red zone D and 2nd half performances. Classic overachievers. Its fun to watch, but it is what it is, UM is a class away from being back to studs two deep all across the D.
UM can't get consistent pressure without a blitz against even an average OL, because this is not a UM caliber D-line.

It soon will be though, as the studs from the last and next classes fill out the DL with savages. That remains the missing ingredient. When UM gets back to a couple guys who consistently play in the backfield, QBs like Renner won't look so good.

Soon, very soon. And in the meantime, it is simply shocking to see the change in culture. The savages UM will plug into this system, this culture will be U-tough and never quit.

So PROUD of this team.

yes I've been saying that since the UF game. our defense is still littered with 2* projects and late pickups that are playing well above what anyone could have expected. that is exciting for the future. we are ahead of schedule right now. just keep on grinding

What you guys are saying is madness. VT recruits no better than we did over the period Randy was here. Every team has projects......matter of fact didnt Golden and No D make their name off projects at Temple? Isnt Pierre one of these two star projects? We compare ourselves to the elite programs in CFB but alot of elite teams get nowhere the caliber of recruits we get. More excuses.

 

[Ernie McCracken]

Our defense gave up 500 yards of offense last night, 199 yards of which went to Ebron their TE. During the off season I recall several threads that discussed the inability of our LBs to play the pass and that J. Grace would be an immediate upgrade. Obviously, Grace is not ready to get a lot of prime time snaps, which is to be expected, but we've got to find a way to get that issue fixed.

With FSU and Va Tech on the horizon what adjustments do we need to make to improve our pass defense in covering the tight end? Defensive gurus what say you?

Well we looked pretty bad against GT too, so I don't think it was an "aberration," I think we have some things to fix. Luckily, I think Al will have the ship righted by the time we get to FSU.

The good news is that we're in a midseason slump, but we're STILL WINNING. Imagine what this team can do when we're finally hitting full stride

 

[WhatTheHell]

This is not a UM caliber D.

Dont misunderstand me. 5X made the point in another thread. UM has castoffs, Highsmith, Rogers, Gaines, Green, Renfro, Gunter, starting at critical positions and still is 6-0 with stellar red zone D and 2nd half performances. Classic overachievers. Its fun to watch, but it is what it is, UM is a class away from being back to studs two deep all across the D.
UM can't get consistent pressure without a blitz against even an average OL, because this is not a UM caliber D-line.

It soon will be though, as the studs from the last and next classes fill out the DL with savages. That remains the missing ingredient. When UM gets back to a couple guys who consistently play in the backfield, QBs like Renner won't look so good.

Soon, very soon. And in the meantime, it is simply shocking to see the change in culture. The savages UM will plug into this system, this culture will be U-tough and never quit.

So PROUD of this team.

Our defense gave up 500 yards of offense last night, 199 yards of which went to Ebron their TE. During the off season I recall several threads that discussed the inability of our LBs to play the pass and that J. Grace would be an immediate upgrade. Obviously, Grace is not ready to get a lot of prime time snaps, which is to be expected, but we've got to find a way to get that issue fixed.

With FSU and Va Tech on the horizon what adjustments do we need to make to improve our pass defense in covering the tight end? Defensive gurus what say you?

What?

 

[supacane]

So what because I don't support VT I can't point out the truth? They have great defenses more often than not with lesser recruits. I dont hear them crying and crying about not getting recruits. And we sure as **** dont need 5 stars to stop BC, UVA, Duke but apparently we do. Smh. I'm talking about defense nothing else. Im sure they would prefer our offense as well. Gtfoh. U seem to have a pee size brain with no reasoning power.

Idiot post.

Since when is VT our standard? GTFOH How many MNC's do the Hokies have.

Al himself said this NCAA crap has cost UM 40+ recruits that he wanted more then the guys he got. CFB is littered with the ones who got away because we have been mired in NCAA and 5-7. And those guys, the Watkins, the Joyner, the Lemoniers, the Jones, that WR for Bama, Cook,Collins, it goes on and on, the ones we swung at and missed. They are the difference between VT and one of the greatest CFB dynasties in our lifetime.

UM used to get those guys, the difference makers, and will again. In the meantime, go root for VT is they so impress you.

But then again, Al probably does not know as much as you.

This is not a UM caliber D.

Dont misunderstand me. 5X made the point in another thread. UM has castoffs, Highsmith, Rogers, Gaines, Green, Renfro, Gunter, starting at critical positions and still is 6-0 with stellar red zone D and 2nd half performances. Classic overachievers. Its fun to watch, but it is what it is, UM is a class away from being back to studs two deep all across the D.
UM can't get consistent pressure without a blitz against even an average OL, because this is not a UM caliber D-line.

It soon will be though, as the studs from the last and next classes fill out the DL with savages. That remains the missing ingredient. When UM gets back to a couple guys who consistently play in the backfield, QBs like Renner won't look so good.

Soon, very soon. And in the meantime, it is simply shocking to see the change in culture. The savages UM will plug into this system, this culture will be U-tough and never quit.

So PROUD of this team.

yes I've been saying that since the UF game. our defense is still littered with 2* projects and late pickups that are playing well above what anyone could have expected. that is exciting for the future. we are ahead of schedule right now. just keep on grinding

What you guys are saying is madness. VT recruits no better than we did over the period Randy was here. Every team has projects......matter of fact didnt Golden and No D make their name off projects at Temple? Isnt Pierre one of these two star projects? We compare ourselves to the elite programs in CFB but alot of elite teams get nowhere the caliber of recruits we get. More excuses.

 

[SmokeyRone]

Yes. On the road, UNC's super bowl, and our offense (Morris) made it clear early that we were ripe for the picking.

Fluke TD, then a TD pass that Renner couldn't make again if he had 10 chances and his family was held hostage.

We held them, when they had momentum, over and over.

 

[DeadPoets]

Yes. On the road, UNC's super bowl, and our offense (Morris) made it clear early that we were ripe for the picking.

Fluke TD, then a TD pass that Renner couldn't make again if he had 10 chances and his family was held hostage.

We held them, when they had momentum, over and over.

Tired of hearing the excuse, "it was their super bowl."

Dumbest ****

 

[SmokeyRone]

Yes. On the road, UNC's super bowl, and our offense (Morris) made it clear early that we were ripe for the picking.

Fluke TD, then a TD pass that Renner couldn't make again if he had 10 chances and his family was held hostage.

We held them, when they had momentum, over and over.

Tired of hearing the excuse, "it was their super bowl."

Dumbest ****

I agree. It is never our Super Bowl, notice? (VT should be our Super Bowl, but it is always VT that takes that cliche)

But they were motivated, hungry, everything went their way (save for that blocked FG), Morris played the worst game ever for 3 qtrs, and our D shut them out in the 4th.

 

[Pennmed Canefan]

I think you are over-emphasizing Ebron and missing the truer consistent problem which is twofold--pressuring the passer and defending the middle of the field. We've improved because we can pressure the passer better with our specialty package and we can defend better with our corners. We are still terrible at looking guys up in zone and our safeties are still a weakness. Teams that can throw are going to attempt to abuse us in the short to intermediate game in front of and behind the linebackers on first and second down. We still haven't proven that we can make that hard and I don't think you need an Ebron to expose that. Ebron just flashes at you as an individual.

 

[BALDYCHUTES]

My bad, Gunter is not a castoff.

This is not a UM caliber D.

Dont misunderstand me. 5X made the point in another thread. UM has castoffs, Highsmith, Rogers, Gaines, Green, Renfro, Gunter, starting at critical positions and still is 6-0 with stellar red zone D and 2nd half performances. Classic overachievers. Its fun to watch, but it is what it is, UM is a class away from being back to studs two deep all across the D.
UM can't get consistent pressure without a blitz against even an average OL, because this is not a UM caliber D-line.

It soon will be though, as the studs from the last and next classes fill out the DL with savages. That remains the missing ingredient. When UM gets back to a couple guys who consistently play in the backfield, QBs like Renner won't look so good.

Soon, very soon. And in the meantime, it is simply shocking to see the change in culture. The savages UM will plug into this system, this culture will be U-tough and never quit.

So PROUD of this team.

Our defense gave up 500 yards of offense last night, 199 yards of which went to Ebron their TE. During the off season I recall several threads that discussed the inability of our LBs to play the pass and that J. Grace would be an immediate upgrade. Obviously, Grace is not ready to get a lot of prime time snaps, which is to be expected, but we've got to find a way to get that issue fixed.

With FSU and Va Tech on the horizon what adjustments do we need to make to improve our pass defense in covering the tight end? Defensive gurus what say you?

What?

 

[BALDYCHUTES]

It takes elite talent and top coaching to be elite. UM has the staff in place, and now must collect elite talent. It's not that hard to grasp.

AL GOLDEN himself said he has been badly handicapped in recruiting by this NCAA stuff to the tune of 40+ recruits lost. UM has been missing out because of the NCAA and Randy Shannon/ Coker 5-7 crap for the past 8 years. UM has been out recruited, has lost out on scads of elite talent. And that talent, properly coached, OFTEN IS the difference between 12-0 and 9-3. Any fool can see that.

UM ranks 70th or something against the rush and coughed up a cool 500 yards against a 1-4 UNC squad. You think that beats Bama or Oregon? Seriously? You think Teddy B is chucking 4 interceptions against UNC? Elite talent makes a difference.

There is a difference between Cortez Kennedy or Vince Wilfork and Olsen Pierre and Corey King; between Medaris or Stubbs and Shayon Green. You can't understand that? Seriously? UM gets little pressure without a blitz and that is not typical of UM. Sapp, Kennedy, Maryland, Brown, are typical of UM. My God when Al arrived UM had one scholarship DB and he had to go find Mike Williams, who is not a UM caliber DB. That's not an excuse, its a fact. Was UM going to run the table with Mike Williams at DB? We were trotting out Mike James and Eduardo Clements, gamers, but not elite, as opposed to Willis and Clinton. Its not that hard to understand.

And yes, VT can beat Duke and Va. but VT does not have elite talent and can't run the table. They never have and never will. Running the table is UM's standard. That takes elite talent, an Easley or Clark instead of a Pierre and King. It is on the way, some already is here, but is too young. In the meantime, know that UM won't run the table unless and until it gets a typical UM caliber D littered with elite talent because history teaches that is what it takes. That's a fact.

GTFOH with your VT crap. What a dullard you are.

So what because I don't support VT I can't point out the truth? They have great defenses more often than not with lesser recruits. I dont hear them crying and crying about not getting recruits. And we sure as **** dont need 5 stars to stop BC, UVA, Duke but apparently we do. Smh. I'm talking about defense nothing else. Im sure they would prefer our offense as well. Gtfoh. U seem to have a pee size brain with no reasoning power.

Idiot post.

Since when is VT our standard? GTFOH How many MNC's do the Hokies have.

Al himself said this NCAA crap has cost UM 40+ recruits that he wanted more then the guys he got. CFB is littered with the ones who got away because we have been mired in NCAA and 5-7. And those guys, the Watkins, the Joyner, the Lemoniers, the Jones, that WR for Bama, Cook,Collins, it goes on and on, the ones we swung at and missed. They are the difference between VT and one of the greatest CFB dynasties in our lifetime.

UM used to get those guys, the difference makers, and will again. In the meantime, go root for VT is they so impress you.

But then again, Al probably does not know as much as you.

This is not a UM caliber D.

Dont misunderstand me. 5X made the point in another thread. UM has castoffs, Highsmith, Rogers, Gaines, Green, Renfro, Gunter, starting at critical positions and still is 6-0 with stellar red zone D and 2nd half performances. Classic overachievers. Its fun to watch, but it is what it is, UM is a class away from being back to studs two deep all across the D.
UM can't get consistent pressure without a blitz against even an average OL, because this is not a UM caliber D-line.

It soon will be though, as the studs from the last and next classes fill out the DL with savages. That remains the missing ingredient. When UM gets back to a couple guys who consistently play in the backfield, QBs like Renner won't look so good.

Soon, very soon. And in the meantime, it is simply shocking to see the change in culture. The savages UM will plug into this system, this culture will be U-tough and never quit.

So PROUD of this team.

yes I've been saying that since the UF game. our defense is still littered with 2* projects and late pickups that are playing well above what anyone could have expected. that is exciting for the future. we are ahead of schedule right now. just keep on grinding

What you guys are saying is madness. VT recruits no better than we did over the period Randy was here. Every team has projects......matter of fact didnt Golden and No D make their name off projects at Temple? Isnt Pierre one of these two star projects? We compare ourselves to the elite programs in CFB but alot of elite teams get nowhere the caliber of recruits we get. More excuses.

 

[BALDYCHUTES]

Where is that dumd ********** muthfocking dip shizz SUPACANE now, spouting how VT gets it done with less that the Canes.

Foggin moran, one of the dumbest posts in all of history.

This team is amazingly overachieving. I'm a very proud fan, but this is not a Miami quality D, not even close.

 

[supacane]

Where is that dumd ********** muthfocking dip shizz SUPACANE now, spouting how VT gets it done with less that the Canes.

Foggin moran, one of the dumbest posts in all of history.

This team is amazingly overachieving. I'm a very proud fan, but this is not a Miami quality D, not even close.

Shut up, i was talkling about their defense you *** wipe. They had 4 picks and held Duke to under 200 yards. Logan Thomas turnt around and threw them 4 his **** self. Aaaaand i called Duke to upset them. We do not need super talent to stop WF, BC, Duke, UVA etc You will never convince me of that. You dumb bich

 

[BALDYCHUTES]

Beating WF and Duke is NOT the standard ghey boy.

National fuggin titles is the standard and you are full blown retarded to come on this board and pretend otherwise or pretend we can do it with this roster.

Fugg off dumb ***.

Where is that dumd ********** muthfocking dip shizz SUPACANE now, spouting how VT gets it done with less that the Canes.

Foggin moran, one of the dumbest posts in all of history.

This team is amazingly overachieving. I'm a very proud fan, but this is not a Miami quality D, not even close.

Shut up, i was talkling about their defense you *** wipe. They had 4 picks and held Duke to under 200 yards. Logan Thomas turnt around and threw them 4 his **** self. Aaaaand i called Duke to upset them. We do not need super talent to stop WF, BC, Duke, UVA etc You will never convince me of that. You dumb bich