VIDEO: Guidry explains 3-3-5 adjustment

[ThomasM]

So Miami just switched up defenses and dominated Clemson at the line... not sure I have ever seen such a quick and successful. switch of a d scheme like this within one week. Seems like in the past these kids struggled learning any new concept.

With the crucial player being Flagg, Bby all accounts, he's a pretty smart young man. I think that was a huge part of the success.

 

[Ironmanfootball]

But what if we have guys who would normally be LBs playing DE for us?

If they all suck that bad in coverage (Wayne espc) are they really a guy who should be a LB, or just a skinny DE?

 

[OptimusCreampie]

Didn’t Canesinsight do a podcast with a fan who’s an X’s and O’s specialist where he specifically said he doesn’t like the 3-3-5? Judging by this game it seems like LT, Bain and JHH are better fits for that then a 4-2-5.

Gotta adapt with the personnel we have. As others stated I really like both coordinators and I hope they stay.

 

[Cane44]

what's the play vs. FSU... concentrate on shutting down the Run and Travis Runs, and take our risk with the WR's??? maybe assign JW or Kam to just drill Coleman all game long??

 

[WestEndZone]

I think the average fan could easily be caught up in what you label the defense.

Functionally, we were not much different than what we were already doing. All we did was remove the boundary DE and replace with a LB (Wes played this primarily). On other words, we didn't look different in terms of front--it was just a personnel change. The main difference was our flexibility in coverage. The real reason why we stopped the run was the synergy of the bear front and playing Cover 1 in the back.

We didn't even run one traditional 33 stack front, lol. All we did was run our regular bear and 50 stuff with 33 personnel. It was a great idea to get our best 11 on the field. At the end of the day, we were able to stop the run because we played defense with two middle fingers extended--we ran a bear front with Cover 1 in the back. We told our corners that they were on their own and we asked Klubnik to beat us.

Regardless of running bear front, cover 1 with 33 or 42 personnel doesnt necessarily change how you stop the run. We were just able to be a bit more flexible in coverage with the boudnary DE replaced with a guy like Wes.

 

[FuriousStyles]

If they all suck that bad in coverage (Wayne espc) are they really a guy who should be a LB, or just a skinny DE?

And you have no argument from me on any of that.

But kids come to UM to get to the next level and in watching games on Sundays DEs getting asked to drop in coverage is pretty regular. From the 250lb ones to the 270+ guys. So they better figure it out.

It’s new to them so there will be growing pains with it.

Unless you’re a Rueben Bain who creates pressure at such a high rate asking you to anything else on a passing down is flat out dumb.

 

[Phydeaux]

I'll just say it before someone else will.

Manny Diaz could never...

Actually
WOULD NEVER
Add al in there, w noD'nofrio

Adjustments are a key. Especially when your roster is still shy of depth, talent and fit
Work w what you got given the opponent

Good stuff

 

[rok]

We don't have enough firepower at DE to warrant using two at a time in a 4-3. Might as well keep 3 LBs on the field and get creative with blitzing since rushing 4 DL wasn't yielding great results.

 

[tsimonitis]

I think the average fan could easily be caught up in what you label the defense.

Functionally, we were not much different than what we were already doing. All we did was remove the boundary DE and replace with a LB (Wes played this primarily). On other words, we didn't look different in terms of front--it was just a personnel change. The main difference was our flexibility in coverage. The real reason why we stopped the run was the synergy of the bear front and playing Cover 1 in the back.

We didn't even run one traditional 33 stack front, lol. All we did was run our regular bear and 50 stuff with 33 personnel. It was a great idea to get our best 11 on the field. At the end of the day, we were able to stop the run because we played defense with two middle fingers extended--we ran a bear front with Cover 1 in the back. We told our corners that they were on their own and we asked Klubnik to beat us.

Regardless of running bear front, cover 1 with 33 or 42 personnel doesnt necessarily change how you stop the run. We were just able to be a bit more flexible in coverage with the boudnary DE replaced with a guy like Wes.

Will playing with this personnel grouping be effective vs Jordan Travis? Keeping him contained and daring him to make accurate throws to beat us? Or does FSU have better outside talent than Clemson, risking that our CBs can't cover them one on one?

 

[Torocane]

Hopefully Miami finds the money to keep both coordinators for a couple years. It’s been a long time since Miami has had consistency with coordinators and locker room cohesion. Need a couple years with the key staff in place.

Ultimately that will solely depend on what kind of opportunities they get.
If they are offered HC jobs money won't matter. If they are offered coordinator jobs money will absolutely matter. JMO

 

[rascon]

Interesting question. I think with FSU, maybe the 3-3 works better, since you‘ll liekly need to reserve a LB to spy Travis.

I don’t think our dbs can cover their boundary guys 1 on 1 for more than a couple seconds. If Travis is able to extend play/scramble mode, we need to be bracketing their wrs downfield. Can‘t have Kam biting on underneath stuff.

 

[InTheCut]

I think the average fan could easily be caught up in what you label the defense.

Functionally, we were not much different than what we were already doing. All we did was remove the boundary DE and replace with a LB (Wes played this primarily). On other words, we didn't look different in terms of front--it was just a personnel change. The main difference was our flexibility in coverage. The real reason why we stopped the run was the synergy of the bear front and playing Cover 1 in the back.

We didn't even run one traditional 33 stack front, lol. All we did was run our regular bear and 50 stuff with 33 personnel. It was a great idea to get our best 11 on the field. At the end of the day, we were able to stop the run because we played defense with two middle fingers extended--we ran a bear front with Cover 1 in the back. We told our corners that they were on their own and we asked Klubnik to beat us.

Regardless of running bear front, cover 1 with 33 or 42 personnel doesnt necessarily change how you stop the run. We were just able to be a bit more flexible in coverage with the boudnary DE replaced with a guy like Wes.

I fully agree with your take here and I want to take this opportunity to express my thoughts on the Masterclass that Guidry put out there. It was purely complexity with a KISS (Keep-It-Simple-Stupid) flare. As you stated, much of what we did isn't any different than what we have been doing the first 6 gamees, however, just the personnel changed to bring more speed and experience on the field. With the WILL walking down, it's no different that the Jack DE in this defense that will either rush or drop back in coverage. Difference to a normal fan is that they will not scream at the TV when they see a LB drop back versus a DE.

I can write a book on everything I seen and witness, but between you, @Lance Roffers, @Memnon, and a few others. There's no need as we everyone gets the point. However, I will say that I've always been an advocate for Miami to adopt more of the 3-3-5 defense, but with sound principles like Guidry displayed. Not the model where there's no gap integrity. Reason being is because of the location and the type of kids we have in South Florida and throughout the State. We don't have the luxury of the SEC big-Bodied athletic DT down here. We gets those once in a blue moon, but we do have a ton of twitchy 3-tech DT or undersized (height-wise) stocky DE that can play the 4i positions in the 3-3-5 and abuse OL with their strength and quickness. Also, the NT is proven in this defense to not have to be a 310+ guy as he typically lined up over the center in a stacked look. He can play violent with his hands and push the center back on his heels and beat em with quickness which is exactly what LT strength is (one-on-one versus holding point on combo blocks) Guards often can't combo block the NT that much because the 4i DE is playing too tight and can just shoot the gap. It's flawless for the guys we can get. Plus we have an abundance of guys in South FL that are LB bodies but play DE in high school because they can wreck the game. Same thing applies here where you have your OLB cause havoc for OL by beating them to blocking points and have the power to knock them back as well when put in the right strength and conditioning program. Sprinkle this with some quality ILB that are pure knockback tacklers and you have the best thing smoking.

If they need to deploy this defense again I would personally like to see Cyrus Moss switch rooms and get some experience for the OLB role which fits his body type more and he's already had to deal with the physicality on the line albeit he isn't fully there yet, but his weight isn't worldly different than wes although wes could possibly be a better player, Cyrus has the length to make a difference when rushing the passer with his bend. Also, he has longer arms to disrupt passing lanes when dropping into coverage. Ultimately, he would be a great depth piece with what you have.

Doubt Mario would adopt this approach due to 3-3-5 being known to be weak against the run against prominent teams, however, if you have the right pieces and play sound, last Saturday showed the issues it presents. It allows for you to bring various fronts with dynamic personnel based on body types. It's a defense predicated for tweeners, which we've always had in South Florida since forever. ***Disclaimer*** This doesn't mean I don't want them to recruit bigger players (pause) I'm just saying this defense can provide a ton of flexibility with what you have and what you can get out there.

 

[WestEndZone]

Will playing with this personnel grouping be effective vs Jordan Travis? Keeping him contained and daring him to make accurate throws to beat us? Or does FSU have better outside talent than Clemson, risking that our CBs can't cover them one on one?

I think it comes down to getting the best 11 out there. Will our secondary hold up in man coverage against their WRs? I don’t know. We might need to mix up the coverages a bit more against FSU based on their talent outside and Travis’s ability to run. FSU week I’ll be prepared with a full scouting report. I still need to watch their film.

 

[Dwinstitles]

This guy is good man he’s good. He changes he isn’t a one trick guy he adapts same as Dawson. These guys are good hope they are here for a good while

 

[Dwinstitles]

At a minimum we give them something else to prepare for.

They must be bugging out in that film room over there. They don’t know wtf we going to do. If they stay basic they should get the breaks beat out of them. Obviously with no turnovers.

 

[WestEndZone]

I fully agree with your take here and I want to take this opportunity to express my thoughts on the Masterclass that Guidry put out there. It was purely complexity with a KISS (Keep-It-Simple-Stupid) flare. As you stated, much of what we did isn't any different than what we have been doing the first 6 gamees, however, just the personnel changed to bring more speed and experience on the field. With the WILL walking down, it's no different that the Jack DE in this defense that will either rush or drop back in coverage. Difference to a normal fan is that they will not scream at the TV when they see a LB drop back versus a DE.

I can write a book on everything I seen and witness, but between you, @Lance Roffers, @Memnon, and a few others. There's no need as we everyone gets the point. However, I will say that I've always been an advocate for Miami to adopt more of the 3-3-5 defense, but with sound principles like Guidry displayed. Not the model where there's no gap integrity. Reason being is because of the location and the type of kids we have in South Florida and throughout the State. We don't have the luxury of the SEC big-Bodied athletic DT down here. We gets those once in a blue moon, but we do have a ton of twitchy 3-tech DT or undersized (height-wise) stocky DE that can play the 4i positions in the 3-3-5 and abuse OL with their strength and quickness. Also, the NT is proven in this defense to not have to be a 310+ guy as he typically lined up over the center in a stacked look. He can play violent with his hands and push the center back on his heels and beat em with quickness which is exactly what LT strength is (one-on-one versus holding point on combo blocks) Guards often can't combo block the NT that much because the 4i DE is playing too tight and can just shoot the gap. It's flawless for the guys we can get. Plus we have an abundance of guys in South FL that are LB bodies but play DE in high school because they can wreck the game. Same thing applies here where you have your OLB cause havoc for OL by beating them to blocking points and have the power to knock them back as well when put in the right strength and conditioning program. Sprinkle this with some quality ILB that are pure knockback tacklers and you have the best thing smoking.

If they need to deploy this defense again I would personally like to see Cyrus Moss switch rooms and get some experience for the OLB role which fits his body type more and he's already had to deal with the physicality on the line albeit he isn't fully there yet, but his weight isn't worldly different than wes although wes could possibly be a better player, Cyrus has the length to make a difference when rushing the passer with his bend. Also, he has longer arms to disrupt passing lanes when dropping into coverage. Ultimately, he would be a great depth piece with what you have.

Doubt Mario would adopt this approach due to 3-3-5 being known to be weak against the run against prominent teams, however, if you have the right pieces and play sound, last Saturday showed the issues it presents. It allows for you to bring various fronts with dynamic personnel based on body types. It's a defense predicated for tweeners, which we've always had in South Florida since forever. ***Disclaimer*** This doesn't mean I don't want them to recruit bigger players (pause) I'm just saying this defense can provide a ton of flexibility with what you have and what you can get out there.

Love this post. Guidry is already developing hybrid positions that allow us to run these concepts out of our 42 personnel. We have been doing it all year. How many times have we played an odd front in our base nickel personnel? A ton! LT does his best work moving from a 0 technique.

Everyone knows 2te’s wrecks teams that go all in on 33 personnel as their base system. In all reality, we are a 43 base, but it’s clear we are developing the hybrid position necessary to play games with the front and to be able to hold up against heavier personnel. We are able to be multiple in nickel, which is necessary in modern CFB. The move to the 33 this past week was made possible by our efforts to develop those hybrid positions, and necessity from injuries.

Boundary DE: hybrid Edge/OLB
WLB: hybrid ILB/Edge

Boundary $: hybrid Safety/LB
Star: hybrid Nickel/OLB

Field DE: hybrid Edge/DT
DT: hybrid DT/edge.

 

[Ironmanfootball]

And you have no argument from me on any of that.

But kids come to UM to get to the next level and in watching games on Sundays DEs getting asked to drop in coverage is pretty regular. From the 250lb ones to the 270+ guys. So they better figure it out.

It’s new to them so there will be growing pains with it.

Unless you’re a Rueben Bain who creates pressure at such a high rate asking you to anything else on a passing down is flat out dumb.

I know this sucks as a mindset but that ain't his job. His job is to win games here, now, doing what works here and now.
He's not at Miami to maybe win games for an NFL coach at some possible point in the future.

 

[WestEndZone]

And you have no argument from me on any of that.

But kids come to UM to get to the next level and in watching games on Sundays DEs getting asked to drop in coverage is pretty regular. From the 250lb ones to the 270+ guys. So they better figure it out.

It’s new to them so there will be growing pains with it.

Unless you’re a Rueben Bain who creates pressure at such a high rate asking you to anything else on a passing down is flat out dumb.

I have said this in prior posts. Just gotta coach them up. Our boundary defensive end position is young. It'll end up looking better.

 

[LuCane]

Will playing with this personnel grouping be effective vs Jordan Travis? Keeping him contained and daring him to make accurate throws to beat us? Or does FSU have better outside talent than Clemson, risking that our CBs can't cover them one on one?

Not WEZ, but I think we need personnel changes in the back 4 for FSU.

 

[Warrior808]

And lets not forget both coordinators are in their 1st years pus they came in really late. I want to say it was just a week or two before spring practice started with position coaches like Kevin Beard even later. This year was a fire drill just to get acclimated with the players and build/implement the base scheme.

Year 2 with a full off season to work should look a lot different now that everyone (players and coaches) know the systems and how to work together. Guidry and Shannon should be able to get much deeper into the playbook and really start scheming some stuff up