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kendallcanes said:
Where are you getting the data from?

You guys all sound like these people analyzing Luke Kuechly pre-NFL draft. For some reason a white linebacker from Boston College can't be fast or good. There is an inherent bias going on against these type of linebackers. Kuechly was the fastest linebacker in the draft (4.58 forty) but was labeled as "slow and nonathletic" before the combine. Why? Against us, Kuechly ran step for step with Streeter of a fly pattern. Gordinier ain't even in the ballpark with Kuechly as a linebacker, but I am just using him as an example to show how much bias goes on. Basically, let him get his snaps first.

Kuechly's pre-combine evaluations:
"Kuechly isn't a great athlete, nor is he a flashy personality. Kuechly is being touted by some as a top-15 player. It doesn't show up on film. Instead, the All-American looks like a third-rounder. And that's on a good day."

"The drafting of Luke Kuechly, while popular at the moment, would not be beneficial to the longterm future of the Panther's organization."

"Kuechly admittedly lacks special foot speed, but he makes up for it in instincts and intelligence."

Weaknesses:
Lacks great speed
Not a super athlete

Read more at WalterFootball.com: 2012 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Luke Kuechly

WalterFootball.com: 2012 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Luke Kuechly

SportsBreak - College Sports News: Luke Kuechly - Draft Profile

Why Drafting Luke Kuechly Would be a Mistake - Cat Scratch Reader

Luke Kuechly 2012 NFL Draft Scouting Report | Bleacher Report
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How dare you litter your disgusting facts all over this board even though you're right!! WHO DO YOU THINk YOU ARE !
 

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kendallcanes said:
Where are you getting the data from?

You guys all sound like these people analyzing Luke Kuechly pre-NFL draft. For some reason a white linebacker from Boston College can't be fast or good. There is an inherent bias going on against these type of linebackers. Kuechly was the fastest linebacker in the draft (4.58 forty) but was labeled as "slow and nonathletic" before the combine. Why? Against us, Kuechly ran step for step with Streeter of a fly pattern. Gordinier ain't even in the ballpark with Kuechly as a linebacker, but I am just using him as an example to show how much bias goes on. Basically, let him get his snaps first.

Kuechly's pre-combine evaluations:
"Kuechly isn't a great athlete, nor is he a flashy personality. Kuechly is being touted by some as a top-15 player. It doesn't show up on film. Instead, the All-American looks like a third-rounder. And that's on a good day."

"The drafting of Luke Kuechly, while popular at the moment, would not be beneficial to the longterm future of the Panther's organization."

"Kuechly admittedly lacks special foot speed, but he makes up for it in instincts and intelligence."

Weaknesses:
Lacks great speed
Not a super athlete

Read more at WalterFootball.com: 2012 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Luke Kuechly

WalterFootball.com: 2012 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Luke Kuechly

SportsBreak - College Sports News: Luke Kuechly - Draft Profile

Why Drafting Luke Kuechly Would be a Mistake - Cat Scratch Reader

Luke Kuechly 2012 NFL Draft Scouting Report | Bleacher Report
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I don't think most Miami fans would doubt a LB skills just because he is white. Some of the best LB at Miami have been white. Dan Morgan was a highschool RB that was converted to LB and I doubt anyone questioned his athleticism. Granted it's hard to tell about a persons athleticism from a highlight reel but Gordinier didn't come off as some athletic beast.
 
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Brandon Spikes ran a 5.1 and had an extremely productive career. He made up for it with elite instincts.

I'm not saying Gordinier is going to be Brandon Spikes. All I said was, that with development, he could possibly develop into a solid depth player.
 
nystateofmind said:
Brandon Spikes ran a 5.1 and had an extremely productive career. He made up for it with elite instincts.

I'm not saying Gordinier is going to be Brandon Spikes. All I said was, that with development, he could possibly develop into a solid depth player.
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Vontaze Burfict ran a 5.06
 
40 times lol how often to nfl or college players run in straight lines?? Another thing to point out is some people suck at running the 40 but when you put them in pads and let them do their assignment they move like lightning.
 
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Exactly. WTF does a 40 have to do playing linebacker. Post his 10 yrd splits or shuttle times or bench or squat numbers then we can talk.

People are really shyting on this man and nobody has seen him play a down. ***ing clowns.
 
nystateofmind said:
Brandon Spikes ran a 5.1 and had an extremely productive career. He made up for it with elite instincts.

I'm not saying Gordinier is going to be Brandon Spikes. All I said was, that with development, he could possibly develop into a solid depth player.
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Did not mean to DV. Stupid iPad. And I agree Gordier could become a player with proper coaching and technique.
 
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Gordinier is just a football player. He may not be the most athletic guy but he'll hunt down the ball carrier and actually wrap him up and put him on the ground. Those type of players tend to find their way onto the field more often than not. Especially with the amount of missed tackles I've seen from the previous years.

If Owens isn't 100% in the spring, just based off opinion, high school film, and other guys he's competing against.. I could see Gordinier winning the SLB job and force Owens to out play him for it come the fall and early in the season.
 
kendallcanes said:
Where are you getting the data from?

You guys all sound like these people analyzing Luke Kuechly pre-NFL draft. For some reason a white linebacker from Boston College can't be fast or an elite athlete. There is an inherent bias going on against these type of linebackers. Kuechly was the fastest linebacker in the draft (4.58 forty) but was labeled as "slow and nonathletic" before the combine. Why? Against us, Kuechly ran step for step with Streeter on a fly pattern. He made Mike James look like he was running in slow motion. But he's from Boston College and he's white, so he must be slow and unathletic? Gordinier ain't even in the ballpark with Kuechly as a linebacker, I know he ain't running a 4.6, but I am just using him as an example to show how much bias goes on. Basically, let Gordinier get his snaps first and we will know more whether he belongs here.

Kuechly's pre-combine evaluations:
"Kuechly isn't a great athlete, nor is he a flashy personality. Kuechly is being touted by some as a top-15 player. It doesn't show up on film. Instead, the All-American looks like a third-rounder. And that's on a good day."

"The drafting of Luke Kuechly, while popular at the moment, would not be beneficial to the longterm future of the Panther's organization."

"Kuechly admittedly lacks special foot speed, but he makes up for it in instincts and intelligence."

Weaknesses:
Lacks great speed
Not a super athlete

Read more at WalterFootball.com: 2012 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Luke Kuechly

WalterFootball.com: 2012 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Luke Kuechly

SportsBreak - College Sports News: Luke Kuechly - Draft Profile

Why Drafting Luke Kuechly Would be a Mistake - Cat Scratch Reader

Luke Kuechly 2012 NFL Draft Scouting Report | Bleacher Report
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Whoever wrote that **** about Kuechly should have his eyes gouged out. He should never make another comment on football.
 
pimpcane1 said:
kendallcanes said:
Where are you getting the data from?

You guys all sound like these people analyzing Luke Kuechly pre-NFL draft. For some reason a white linebacker from Boston College can't be fast or good. There is an inherent bias going on against these type of linebackers. Kuechly was the fastest linebacker in the draft (4.58 forty) but was labeled as "slow and nonathletic" before the combine. Why? Against us, Kuechly ran step for step with Streeter of a fly pattern. Gordinier ain't even in the ballpark with Kuechly as a linebacker, but I am just using him as an example to show how much bias goes on. Basically, let him get his snaps first.

Kuechly's pre-combine evaluations:
"Kuechly isn't a great athlete, nor is he a flashy personality. Kuechly is being touted by some as a top-15 player. It doesn't show up on film. Instead, the All-American looks like a third-rounder. And that's on a good day."

"The drafting of Luke Kuechly, while popular at the moment, would not be beneficial to the longterm future of the Panther's organization."

"Kuechly admittedly lacks special foot speed, but he makes up for it in instincts and intelligence."

Weaknesses:
Lacks great speed
Not a super athlete

Read more at WalterFootball.com: 2012 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Luke Kuechly

WalterFootball.com: 2012 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Luke Kuechly

SportsBreak - College Sports News: Luke Kuechly - Draft Profile

Why Drafting Luke Kuechly Would be a Mistake - Cat Scratch Reader

Luke Kuechly 2012 NFL Draft Scouting Report | Bleacher Report
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I don't think most Miami fans would doubt a LB skills just because he is white. Some of the best LB at Miami have been white. Dan Morgan was a highschool RB that was converted to LB and I doubt anyone questioned his athleticism. Granted it's hard to tell about a persons athleticism from a highlight reel but Gordinier didn't come off as some athletic beast.
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Butch Davis questioned Morgan's athletic ability. His family had to use influence from a pro player to beg for an offer. Lots of people underestimated his athletic ability.
 
The Franchise said:
pimpcane1 said:
kendallcanes said:
Where are you getting the data from?

You guys all sound like these people analyzing Luke Kuechly pre-NFL draft. For some reason a white linebacker from Boston College can't be fast or good. There is an inherent bias going on against these type of linebackers. Kuechly was the fastest linebacker in the draft (4.58 forty) but was labeled as "slow and nonathletic" before the combine. Why? Against us, Kuechly ran step for step with Streeter of a fly pattern. Gordinier ain't even in the ballpark with Kuechly as a linebacker, but I am just using him as an example to show how much bias goes on. Basically, let him get his snaps first.

Kuechly's pre-combine evaluations:
"Kuechly isn't a great athlete, nor is he a flashy personality. Kuechly is being touted by some as a top-15 player. It doesn't show up on film. Instead, the All-American looks like a third-rounder. And that's on a good day."

"The drafting of Luke Kuechly, while popular at the moment, would not be beneficial to the longterm future of the Panther's organization."

"Kuechly admittedly lacks special foot speed, but he makes up for it in instincts and intelligence."

Weaknesses:
Lacks great speed
Not a super athlete

Read more at WalterFootball.com: 2012 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Luke Kuechly

WalterFootball.com: 2012 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Luke Kuechly

SportsBreak - College Sports News: Luke Kuechly - Draft Profile

Why Drafting Luke Kuechly Would be a Mistake - Cat Scratch Reader

Luke Kuechly 2012 NFL Draft Scouting Report | Bleacher Report
Click to expand...

I don't think most Miami fans would doubt a LB skills just because he is white. Some of the best LB at Miami have been white. Dan Morgan was a highschool RB that was converted to LB and I doubt anyone questioned his athleticism. Granted it's hard to tell about a persons athleticism from a highlight reel but Gordinier didn't come off as some athletic beast.
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Butch Davis questioned Morgan's athletic ability. His family had to use influence from a pro player to beg for an offer. Lots of people underestimated his athletic ability.
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Didn't the staff want him at fb originally ?
 
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Samson Doyo said:
There seems to be a lot of debate on Gordiner's ability. Some have said he played well on scout team last year and will become a player for us. Then we have the he shouldn't be here crowd. I have heard my fair share of Greentree AA stories, but also think the negative bias against non-SFla guys is overblown. His HS film looked good and I believe he played good competition in Jersey, where they play big boy football. He is only a RSFreshman and clearly he feels like he belongs or I think he would have bolted when the misfit was canned and the staff purged. That is me speculating like everyone else. My question is, has anyone seen him play at practice or should we be in wait and see mode for spring ball?

Go Canes!
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Only seen his film which was impressive....Played LB-FB-TE and DE...pretty quick for a big guy and appeared to have the smarts to go with savage disposition...
 
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