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@Lance Roffers you mention Enos' run philosophy. I haven't watched nearly as much film as you have - I mainly looked at some of his Arkansas games - but it seems to my admittedly untrained eyes that his run game is fairly diverse. Or maybe "thoughtful" is a better word. For example, the toss sweep seems/seemed to be a staple of his running game. In one particular game I watched, he ran it a few times to each side, then started varying it - not just with the fake/PA but also out of different formations (the one that sticks out in my mind is a 3 WR bunch set where a WR begins to motion and cracks down on the LB at the snap away from the flow.) I was wondering if you could elaborate on some of what you saw in his run game a bit. I'll hang up and listen.
 
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JimmyJohnsonsHair said:
I still have mixed feelings. Play action sounds great in theory but it is predicated on having a functional running game on early downs which requires a good OL. We haven’t had a really good OL since the Clinton administration. Without the threat of a running game, PA just gives the QB less time to scan the field. And to that point, we better hope that we get Jalen, or that Jarren is a quick learner because I cannot imagine Perry running this offense.
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You might check out the data article I linked regarding play action. You’d think you’d need a great running game for PA to work, but the data suggests that isn’t actually true.

According to the data, PA works whether you can actually run the ball or not.

Appreciate you taking the time to comment, and you might be as surprised as I was to see how effective PA is against a defense.
 
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@Lance Roffers you mention Enos' run philosophy. I haven't watched nearly as much film as you have - I mainly looked at some of his Arkansas games - but it seems to my admittedly untrained eyes that his run game is fairly diverse. Or maybe "thoughtful" is a better word. For example, the toss sweep seems/seemed to be a staple of his running game. In one particular game I watched, he ran it a few times to each side, then started varying it - not just with the fake/PA but also out of different formations (the one that sticks out in my mind is a 3 WR bunch set where a WR begins to motion and cracks down on the LB at the snap away from the flow.) I was wondering if you could elaborate on some of what you saw in his run game a bit. I'll hang up and listen.
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I think he runs various running plays, but the success has not consistently been there. This is with Alex Collins at Arkansas and another NFL RB at CMU (Zirlon Tipton).

No candidate is perfect in my view and I would find negatives in any person I did this on. I’d find negatives for Manny, Saban, Fedora etc.
 
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Lance Roffers said:
You might check out the data article I linked regarding play action. You’d think you’d need a great running game for PA to work, but the data suggests that isn’t actually true.

According to the data, PA works whether you can actually run the ball or not.

Appreciate you taking the time to comment, and you might be as surprised as I was to see how effective PA is against a defense.
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Thanks. Even if this is true, it’s still disconcerting to me that his run game philosophy seems to be “line em up and whip the guy in front of you” with a few jet sweeps mixed in. I don’t think that is going to work with our OL I’d rather see more runs out of the shotgun from a spread formation. Curious to get your thoughts on that aspect of his offense.
 
Lance - that was an amazing breakdown.

I like being able to run 11 Personel with the quarterback under centre sometimes. I feel the last your teams would slant away from the side that Travis went and blow up those plays in the backfield.

Did you notice some different runs from Bama this year?
 
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Lance Roffers said:
I think he runs various running plays, but the success has not consistently been there. This is with Alex Collins at Arkansas and another NFL RB at CMU (Zirlon Tipton).

No candidate is perfect in my view and I would find negatives in any person I did this on. I’d find negatives for Manny, Saban, Fedora etc.
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Awesome thanks for that. He did have that 1300 rusher at Arky after Collins graduated so there's potential at least for success.
 
Lance Roffers said:
I think he runs various running plays, but the success has not consistently been there. This is with Alex Collins at Arkansas and another NFL RB at CMU (Zirlon Tipton).

No candidate is perfect in my view and I would find negatives in any person I did this on. I’d find negatives for Manny, Saban, Fedora etc.
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Anything that stuck out to you that was potentially why the run game wasn't as good? I know you said he wasn't imaginative in the OP, but do admit he runs a diverse set of run plays. Did he try to go to east and west on faster defenses? Did he get stubborn at times and try to run up the gut too much when it wasn't working?

From watching a few games of his I did like the variety of play calls in the run game, but it did seem Collins would get hit pretty early into a number of carries. It didn't seem like he was predictable and the defense was feeding off of that predictability, but I don't want to sit here and just say it was the OL's fault either.
 
JimmyJohnsonsHair said:
Thanks. Even if this is true, it’s still disconcerting to me that his run game philosophy seems to be “line em up and whip the guy in front of you” with a few jet sweeps mixed in. I don’t think that is going to work with our OL I’d rather see more runs out of the shotgun from a spread formation. Curious to get your thoughts on that aspect of his offense.
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I'll chime in a bit. In fairness, every offense is going to try to "line em up and whip em" to some extent. Unless you're running Air Raid or a real wide-split spread, your OL will still have to outwork their DL to some extent. Now where I think Enos has done well in mitigating this in his scheme is his use of the screen game, misdirection runs, and personnel groupings.

Enos loves screens of various shapes and sizes, but particularly the WR screen and "traditional" RB screen. He also likes to use the WR screen especially to set up fakes, passes, and draws from it. That can really help limit the amount of time an OL has to hold his block.

Similarly, those fake toss sweeps, fake jet reverses, counters, etc help get the ball moving away from the perceived flow of the run, again helping the OL by getting the defense to start flowing the wrong direction and hesitate.

In the Arky videos I've watched, Enos likes to use his TEs and RBs as blockers in different ways. Multiple TE and RB sets means the defense doesn't know who's staying home and who's leaking out for a pass.

I do think we'll see more shotgun than what he ran at Arkansas - similar to Tua/Hurts at Bama IMO.
 
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Lance Roffers said:
I’m confused. Is Enos the proven Gator mole, or me?
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Has nothing to do with you.

Your work is indisputably excellent.

My post was directed on that individual poster who happily joined in on an Enos bltchfest in another thread.

I’m sure you know how it works around here with some porsters.

People trying to be first to trash the hire so if things go sideways they can beat their chests down the line and say “I said it first, I told you so”

Your work, as usual, is PhD quality.

My post, as written, was extremely confusing. I get that upon further review.
 
Lance Roffers said:
You might check out the data article I linked regarding play action. You’d think you’d need a great running game for PA to work, but the data suggests that isn’t actually true.

According to the data, PA works whether you can actually run the ball or not.

Appreciate you taking the time to comment, and you might be as surprised as I was to see how effective PA is against a defense.
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EXACTLY. Its been probably the biggest reason for the Rams offensive success. I mean yeah their plays are great and everything, but just the sheer amount of play action they use gives them so many easy passes, and a lot of those 15 yard passes that attack the middle of the field. Thats what we've been screaming for for a while now.

I mean even if the defense just completely stops respecting the run on us and "falling" for the play action, it will lead to huge running lanes for us, assuming our Oline is competent. And thats the LAST thing a Defense wants - an offense that can just run down their throats. Thats why play action is so good.
 
DiegoCane said:
A passing game savant and one of the best offensive minds in college football doesn't take over a program and have a bad offense for 5 straight years.
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What does his time at Central Michigan have to do with him here? Do you think if he would have stay at Alabama, they would have had a bad offense?
 
I wanted an uptempo spread / air raid offense but Enos's "innovative/creative" pro-style seems pretty fuggin legit. Literally no comparison between this and Richt's high school level zero creativity 10 play pro style offense. Combine that with the fact he can actually develop QB's (just LOL comparin Jon Richt to Enos) and I'm sold. Still hope he mixes in some 4/5 wide spread concepts but pretty confident on paper this is the best OC we've ever had since i've been a fan (started at UM '07)
 
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