unc-6.5 at miami

You're surprised? UNC is really good

UNC beat Elon, Idaho and East Carolina for 3 of their 4 wins. Their other win came against 2-3 Virginia Tech. They lost to Wake, which is like losing to Boston College. They have a great offense, but their numbers are skewed because they put up 60+ against both Elon and Idaho. They have a great RB and a good QB, and will put up yards and points against us, but for them to favored by 6.5 on the road, is a near jerk reaction to us losing to Notre Dame. UNC is not better than NC State, or not much better, and we beat them. Being favored by 6.5 on the road is like being favored by 9.5 or 10 at a neutral site. I know it's the cool thing to do to post "118" or "we're bad" or whatever, but UNC is not that much better than us, if they are better at all. This will be a shootout and a tossup.


They put up 48 on VT last week and we gave up **** near 400 yards rushing and 41 to a much worse offense in Notre Dame.

Those other games don't mean ****. College football is a "what have you done for me lately" game.

I agree with you though that the line is pretty shocking.

VT was blown out by a Pitt team that was blown out by I-AA Youngstown State. Putting that up on VT isn't impressive, especially a 2-3 VT team with the #64 defense in the nation.
 
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You're surprised? UNC is really good

UNC beat Elon, Idaho and East Carolina for 3 of their 4 wins. Their other win came against 2-3 Virginia Tech. They lost to Wake, which is like losing to Boston College. They have a great offense, but their numbers are skewed because they put up 60+ against both Elon and Idaho. They have a great RB and a good QB, and will put up yards and points against us, but for them to favored by 6.5 on the road, is a near jerk reaction to us losing to Notre Dame. UNC is not better than NC State, or not much better, and we beat them. Being favored by 6.5 on the road is like being favored by 9.5 or 10 at a neutral site. I know it's the cool thing to do to post "118" or "we're bad" or whatever, but UNC is not that much better than us, if they are better at all. This will be a shootout and a tossup.


They put up 48 on VT last week and we gave up **** near 400 yards rushing and 41 to a much worse offense in Notre Dame.

Those other games don't mean ****. College football is a "what have you done for me lately" game.

I agree with you though that the line is pretty shocking.

VT was blown out by a Pitt team that was blown out by I-AA Youngstown State. Putting that up on VT isn't impressive, especially a 2-3 VT team with the #64 defense in the nation.

Are we better than VT?

They put up 48 on VT.

So there's where the line starts. Why oh why do we keep comparing games that happened weeks ago? You think Clemson was thinking about Middle Tennessee St last week when they were in a dogfight with GT?
 
Why? Because the only indication of how a team will do is looking at their track record. Do I think our defense is better than VT? No, but do I think our offense is? Yes, and by a lot. As for Clemson, yeah, they probably knew they'd likely be able to score at will against GT because MTSU and Miami did

UNC has an explosive offense, no one is denying that, but let's look at who they played

62 points against Elon, the #72 defense in I-AA
27 points against Wake, the #84 defense
34 points against Louisville, the #24 defense
27 points against ECU, the #76 defense
66 points against Idaho, the #98 defense
48 points against VT, the #64 defense

Now save me all the, "we're #118" cr@p, trust me, I know. My point is, people keep saying we have no shot. People keep saying UNC is the best offense we'll face. They are good, they'll get 35-40 points and 400-500 yards but we have a great chance to win, since they're not K-State or Notre Dame on defense, and we've played a much tougher schedule overall.
 
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Why? Because the only indication of how a team will do is looking at their track record. Do I think our defense is better than VT? No, but do I think our offense is? Yes, and by a lot. As for Clemson, yeah, they probably knew they'd likely be able to score at will against GT because MTSU and Miami did

UNC has an explosive offense, no one is denying that, but let's look at who they played

62 points against Elon, the #72 defense in I-AA
27 points against Wake, the #84 defense
34 points against Louisville, the #24 defense
27 points against ECU, the #76 defense
66 points against Idaho, the #98 defense
48 points against VT, the #64 defense

Now save me all the, "we're #118" cr@p, trust me, I know. My point is, people keep saying we have no shot. People keep saying UNC is the best offense we'll face. They are good, they'll get 35-40 points and 400-500 yards but we have a great chance to win, since they're not K-State or Notre Dame on defense, and we've played a much tougher schedule overall.

Good grief.

I am going to trim the fat from this pointless debate. College football is about MATCHUPS.

UNC coming off of a 48 point, bajillion yard performance against a middle of the road defense now gets to play possibly the worst defense in the entire country.

The end.

Also, I said I thought we would win in a shootout. Dont mistake this for me saying we cant win. We definitely can. Just saying this is where the line is coming from.
 
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Why? Because the only indication of how a team will do is looking at their track record. Do I think our defense is better than VT? No, but do I think our offense is? Yes, and by a lot. As for Clemson, yeah, they probably knew they'd likely be able to score at will against GT because MTSU and Miami did

UNC has an explosive offense, no one is denying that, but let's look at who they played

62 points against Elon, the #72 defense in I-AA
27 points against Wake, the #84 defense
34 points against Louisville, the #24 defense
27 points against ECU, the #76 defense
66 points against Idaho, the #98 defense
48 points against VT, the #64 defense

Now save me all the, "we're #118" cr@p, trust me, I know. My point is, people keep saying we have no shot. People keep saying UNC is the best offense we'll face. They are good, they'll get 35-40 points and 400-500 yards but we have a great chance to win, since they're not K-State or Notre Dame on defense, and we've played a much tougher schedule overall.

Good grief.

I am going to trim the fat from this pointless debate. College football is about MATCHUPS.

UNC coming off of a 48 point, bajillion yard performance against a middle of the road defense now gets to play possibly the worst defense in the entire country.

The end.

Also, I said I thought we would win in a shootout. Dont mistake this for me saying we cant win. We definitely can. Just saying this is where the line is coming from.

No, it's not the end. By that logic, Miami should have been barely favored against Syracuse in 2001 because they barely beat Boston College the week before, throwing out what Miami had done the rest of the year. By that logic, if NC State played a team ranked #8 this week, they'd be favored because they just beat the team ranked #4. Doesn't work that way. UNC was impressive last week, Miami was impressive the past 2 weeks. This game is a tossup, but based on the line, UNC is 10 points better overall (since you get 3 or so for being a home team, so add that to 6.5).

UNC beating a bad VT team at home, and Miami getting blown out by a very good ND team on the road does not = UNC is 6.5 points better than Miami in Miami.
 
Why? Because the only indication of how a team will do is looking at their track record. Do I think our defense is better than VT? No, but do I think our offense is? Yes, and by a lot. As for Clemson, yeah, they probably knew they'd likely be able to score at will against GT because MTSU and Miami did

UNC has an explosive offense, no one is denying that, but let's look at who they played

62 points against Elon, the #72 defense in I-AA
27 points against Wake, the #84 defense
34 points against Louisville, the #24 defense
27 points against ECU, the #76 defense
66 points against Idaho, the #98 defense
48 points against VT, the #64 defense

Now save me all the, "we're #118" cr@p, trust me, I know. My point is, people keep saying we have no shot. People keep saying UNC is the best offense we'll face. They are good, they'll get 35-40 points and 400-500 yards but we have a great chance to win, since they're not K-State or Notre Dame on defense, and we've played a much tougher schedule overall.

Good grief.

I am going to trim the fat from this pointless debate. College football is about MATCHUPS.

UNC coming off of a 48 point, bajillion yard performance against a middle of the road defense now gets to play possibly the worst defense in the entire country.

The end.

Also, I said I thought we would win in a shootout. Dont mistake this for me saying we cant win. We definitely can. Just saying this is where the line is coming from.

No, it's not the end. By that logic, Miami should have been barely favored against Syracuse in 2001 because they barely beat Boston College the week before, throwing out what Miami had done the rest of the year. By that logic, if NC State played a team ranked #8 this week, they'd be favored because they just beat the team ranked #4. Doesn't work that way. UNC was impressive last week, Miami was impressive the past 2 weeks. This game is a tossup, but based on the line, UNC is 10 points better overall (since you get 3 or so for being a home team, so add that to 6.5).

UNC beating a bad VT team at home, and Miami getting blown out by a very good ND team on the road does not = UNC is 6.5 points better than Miami in Miami.

Matchups.

For god's sake man.
 
Why? Because the only indication of how a team will do is looking at their track record. Do I think our defense is better than VT? No, but do I think our offense is? Yes, and by a lot. As for Clemson, yeah, they probably knew they'd likely be able to score at will against GT because MTSU and Miami did

UNC has an explosive offense, no one is denying that, but let's look at who they played

62 points against Elon, the #72 defense in I-AA
27 points against Wake, the #84 defense
34 points against Louisville, the #24 defense
27 points against ECU, the #76 defense
66 points against Idaho, the #98 defense
48 points against VT, the #64 defense

Now save me all the, "we're #118" cr@p, trust me, I know. My point is, people keep saying we have no shot. People keep saying UNC is the best offense we'll face. They are good, they'll get 35-40 points and 400-500 yards but we have a great chance to win, since they're not K-State or Notre Dame on defense, and we've played a much tougher schedule overall.

Good grief.

I am going to trim the fat from this pointless debate. College football is about MATCHUPS.

UNC coming off of a 48 point, bajillion yard performance against a middle of the road defense now gets to play possibly the worst defense in the entire country.

The end.

Also, I said I thought we would win in a shootout. Dont mistake this for me saying we cant win. We definitely can. Just saying this is where the line is coming from.

No, it's not the end. By that logic, Miami should have been barely favored against Syracuse in 2001 because they barely beat Boston College the week before, throwing out what Miami had done the rest of the year. By that logic, if NC State played a team ranked #8 this week, they'd be favored because they just beat the team ranked #4. Doesn't work that way. UNC was impressive last week, Miami was impressive the past 2 weeks. This game is a tossup, but based on the line, UNC is 10 points better overall (since you get 3 or so for being a home team, so add that to 6.5).

UNC beating a bad VT team at home, and Miami getting blown out by a very good ND team on the road does not = UNC is 6.5 points better than Miami in Miami.

Matchups.

For god's sake man.

Like GT matching up great with Miami, and thus being a 14 point favorite? GT was coming off of a thrashing of UVA and Miami a lackluster win over Bethune on the heels of an embarrassment at K-State. I said the point spread there was too high, and everyone said "Take GT and and the points, easy money." Again, I feel this spread is wrong.

I understand the matchups. Bernard will get his 150-200, Renner will throw for 300+, but that doesn't mean we lose. We gave up 500+ yards to NC State and won. We gave up 37 points and 36 respectively to NC State and GT and won. The matchups are pretty even if ask me. UNC's defense was torched by a bad VT offense. Our offense is 10X better than VT. So, going by your logic, matchups, we should be favored. You can't ignore some stats and throw out others. Both teams have problems, both teams are explosive. That's why I think it's an even match, not one team essentially being 10 points better.

What's so hard to understand? You're putting everything on Miami's performance against ND and UNC's offensive performance against VT. To me, that doesn't mean UNC should be favored by 6.5 in Miami. If it does to you, then there is no point arguing it any longer.
 
Stephen Morris better stock up on salon pas because he's going to be throwing about 50 passes on Saturday.
 
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Why? Because the only indication of how a team will do is looking at their track record. Do I think our defense is better than VT? No, but do I think our offense is? Yes, and by a lot. As for Clemson, yeah, they probably knew they'd likely be able to score at will against GT because MTSU and Miami did

UNC has an explosive offense, no one is denying that, but let's look at who they played

62 points against Elon, the #72 defense in I-AA
27 points against Wake, the #84 defense
34 points against Louisville, the #24 defense
27 points against ECU, the #76 defense
66 points against Idaho, the #98 defense
48 points against VT, the #64 defense

Now save me all the, "we're #118" cr@p, trust me, I know. My point is, people keep saying we have no shot. People keep saying UNC is the best offense we'll face. They are good, they'll get 35-40 points and 400-500 yards but we have a great chance to win, since they're not K-State or Notre Dame on defense, and we've played a much tougher schedule overall.

Good grief.

I am going to trim the fat from this pointless debate. College football is about MATCHUPS.

UNC coming off of a 48 point, bajillion yard performance against a middle of the road defense now gets to play possibly the worst defense in the entire country.

The end.

Also, I said I thought we would win in a shootout. Dont mistake this for me saying we cant win. We definitely can. Just saying this is where the line is coming from.

No, it's not the end. By that logic, Miami should have been barely favored against Syracuse in 2001 because they barely beat Boston College the week before, throwing out what Miami had done the rest of the year. By that logic, if NC State played a team ranked #8 this week, they'd be favored because they just beat the team ranked #4. Doesn't work that way. UNC was impressive last week, Miami was impressive the past 2 weeks. This game is a tossup, but based on the line, UNC is 10 points better overall (since you get 3 or so for being a home team, so add that to 6.5).

UNC beating a bad VT team at home, and Miami getting blown out by a very good ND team on the road does not = UNC is 6.5 points better than Miami in Miami.

Matchups.

For god's sake man.

Like GT matching up great with Miami, and thus being a 14 point favorite? GT was coming off of a thrashing of UVA and Miami a lackluster win over Bethune on the heels of an embarrassment at K-State. I said the point spread there was too high, and everyone said "Take GT and and the points, easy money." Again, I feel this spread is wrong.

I understand the matchups. Bernard will get his 150-200, Renner will throw for 300+, but that doesn't mean we lose. We gave up 500+ yards to NC State and won. We gave up 37 points and 36 respectively to NC State and GT and won. The matchups are pretty even if ask me. UNC's defense was torched by a bad VT offense. Our offense is 10X better than VT. So, going by your logic, matchups, we should be favored. You can't ignore some stats and throw out others. Both teams have problems, both teams are explosive. That's why I think it's an even match, not one team essentially being 10 points better.

What's so hard to understand? You're putting everything on Miami's performance against ND and UNC's offensive performance against VT. To me, that doesn't mean UNC should be favored by 6.5 in Miami. If it does to you, then there is no point arguing it any longer.

Dear lord make it stop.

I said we would win in a shootout. What's so hard to understand?

But to sit and here put your hands over your ears is beyond silly. I'm just going to enjoy the game and I really don't have time to continue with this pointless back and forth BS.
 
Good grief.

I am going to trim the fat from this pointless debate. College football is about MATCHUPS.

UNC coming off of a 48 point, bajillion yard performance against a middle of the road defense now gets to play possibly the worst defense in the entire country.

The end.

Also, I said I thought we would win in a shootout. Dont mistake this for me saying we cant win. We definitely can. Just saying this is where the line is coming from.

No, it's not the end. By that logic, Miami should have been barely favored against Syracuse in 2001 because they barely beat Boston College the week before, throwing out what Miami had done the rest of the year. By that logic, if NC State played a team ranked #8 this week, they'd be favored because they just beat the team ranked #4. Doesn't work that way. UNC was impressive last week, Miami was impressive the past 2 weeks. This game is a tossup, but based on the line, UNC is 10 points better overall (since you get 3 or so for being a home team, so add that to 6.5).

UNC beating a bad VT team at home, and Miami getting blown out by a very good ND team on the road does not = UNC is 6.5 points better than Miami in Miami.

Matchups.

For god's sake man.

Like GT matching up great with Miami, and thus being a 14 point favorite? GT was coming off of a thrashing of UVA and Miami a lackluster win over Bethune on the heels of an embarrassment at K-State. I said the point spread there was too high, and everyone said "Take GT and and the points, easy money." Again, I feel this spread is wrong.

I understand the matchups. Bernard will get his 150-200, Renner will throw for 300+, but that doesn't mean we lose. We gave up 500+ yards to NC State and won. We gave up 37 points and 36 respectively to NC State and GT and won. The matchups are pretty even if ask me. UNC's defense was torched by a bad VT offense. Our offense is 10X better than VT. So, going by your logic, matchups, we should be favored. You can't ignore some stats and throw out others. Both teams have problems, both teams are explosive. That's why I think it's an even match, not one team essentially being 10 points better.

What's so hard to understand? You're putting everything on Miami's performance against ND and UNC's offensive performance against VT. To me, that doesn't mean UNC should be favored by 6.5 in Miami. If it does to you, then there is no point arguing it any longer.

Dear lord make it stop.

I said we would win in a shootout. What's so hard to understand?

But to sit and here put your hands over your ears is beyond silly. I'm just going to enjoy the game and I really don't have time to continue with this pointless back and forth BS.

Something about a pot and a kettle. You realize I could have posted the same exact thing about you?
 
Why? Because the only indication of how a team will do is looking at their track record. Do I think our defense is better than VT? No, but do I think our offense is? Yes, and by a lot. As for Clemson, yeah, they probably knew they'd likely be able to score at will against GT because MTSU and Miami did

UNC has an explosive offense, no one is denying that, but let's look at who they played

62 points against Elon, the #72 defense in I-AA
27 points against Wake, the #84 defense
34 points against Louisville, the #24 defense
27 points against ECU, the #76 defense
66 points against Idaho, the #98 defense
48 points against VT, the #64 defense

Now save me all the, "we're #118" cr@p, trust me, I know. My point is, people keep saying we have no shot. People keep saying UNC is the best offense we'll face. They are good, they'll get 35-40 points and 400-500 yards but we have a great chance to win, since they're not K-State or Notre Dame on defense, and we've played a much tougher schedule overall.

Think about that for a minute..........
 
Why? Because the only indication of how a team will do is looking at their track record. Do I think our defense is better than VT? No, but do I think our offense is? Yes, and by a lot. As for Clemson, yeah, they probably knew they'd likely be able to score at will against GT because MTSU and Miami did

UNC has an explosive offense, no one is denying that, but let's look at who they played

62 points against Elon, the #72 defense in I-AA
27 points against Wake, the #84 defense
34 points against Louisville, the #24 defense
27 points against ECU, the #76 defense
66 points against Idaho, the #98 defense
48 points against VT, the #64 defense

Now save me all the, "we're #118" cr@p, trust me, I know. My point is, people keep saying we have no shot. People keep saying UNC is the best offense we'll face. They are good, they'll get 35-40 points and 400-500 yards but we have a great chance to win, since they're not K-State or Notre Dame on defense, and we've played a much tougher schedule overall.

Think about that for a minute..........

I did. Our defense was that bad when we beat GT, when we beat NC State. Our defense being that bad doesn't mean we automatically lose to UNC or should be TD underdogs at home because of it. We've proven in the past we can overcome horrid defense, which is why I don't think they should be favored by 6.5 in Miami.
 
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No, it's not the end. By that logic, Miami should have been barely favored against Syracuse in 2001 because they barely beat Boston College the week before, throwing out what Miami had done the rest of the year. By that logic, if NC State played a team ranked #8 this week, they'd be favored because they just beat the team ranked #4. Doesn't work that way. UNC was impressive last week, Miami was impressive the past 2 weeks. This game is a tossup, but based on the line, UNC is 10 points better overall (since you get 3 or so for being a home team, so add that to 6.5).

UNC beating a bad VT team at home, and Miami getting blown out by a very good ND team on the road does not = UNC is 6.5 points better than Miami in Miami.

Matchups.

For god's sake man.

Like GT matching up great with Miami, and thus being a 14 point favorite? GT was coming off of a thrashing of UVA and Miami a lackluster win over Bethune on the heels of an embarrassment at K-State. I said the point spread there was too high, and everyone said "Take GT and and the points, easy money." Again, I feel this spread is wrong.

I understand the matchups. Bernard will get his 150-200, Renner will throw for 300+, but that doesn't mean we lose. We gave up 500+ yards to NC State and won. We gave up 37 points and 36 respectively to NC State and GT and won. The matchups are pretty even if ask me. UNC's defense was torched by a bad VT offense. Our offense is 10X better than VT. So, going by your logic, matchups, we should be favored. You can't ignore some stats and throw out others. Both teams have problems, both teams are explosive. That's why I think it's an even match, not one team essentially being 10 points better.

What's so hard to understand? You're putting everything on Miami's performance against ND and UNC's offensive performance against VT. To me, that doesn't mean UNC should be favored by 6.5 in Miami. If it does to you, then there is no point arguing it any longer.

Dear lord make it stop.

I said we would win in a shootout. What's so hard to understand?

But to sit and here put your hands over your ears is beyond silly. I'm just going to enjoy the game and I really don't have time to continue with this pointless back and forth BS.

Something about a pot and a kettle. You realize I could have posted the same exact thing about you?

You're conceding 500 yards of offense before we hit the field but telling me not to use that in my defense.

Yeah, that's logic.
 
Matchups.

For god's sake man.


Like GT matching up great with Miami, and thus being a 14 point favorite? GT was coming off of a thrashing of UVA and Miami a lackluster win over Bethune on the heels of an embarrassment at K-State. I said the point spread there was too high, and everyone said "Take GT and and the points, easy money." Again, I feel this spread is wrong.

I understand the matchups. Bernard will get his 150-200, Renner will throw for 300+, but that doesn't mean we lose. We gave up 500+ yards to NC State and won. We gave up 37 points and 36 respectively to NC State and GT and won. The matchups are pretty even if ask me. UNC's defense was torched by a bad VT offense. Our offense is 10X better than VT. So, going by your logic, matchups, we should be favored. You can't ignore some stats and throw out others. Both teams have problems, both teams are explosive. That's why I think it's an even match, not one team essentially being 10 points better.

What's so hard to understand? You're putting everything on Miami's performance against ND and UNC's offensive performance against VT. To me, that doesn't mean UNC should be favored by 6.5 in Miami. If it does to you, then there is no point arguing it any longer.

Dear lord make it stop.

I said we would win in a shootout. What's so hard to understand?

But to sit and here put your hands over your ears is beyond silly. I'm just going to enjoy the game and I really don't have time to continue with this pointless back and forth BS.

Something about a pot and a kettle. You realize I could have posted the same exact thing about you?

You're conceding 500 yards of offense before we hit the field but telling me not to use that in my defense.

Yeah, that's logic.


No, I'm saying that 500 yards doesn't automatically mean we lose. We actually beat BC, GT and NC State with some of the worst defensive performances I've ever seen. No reason to think we can't do it again against UNC. It's not like I'm saying we'll win 31-10. I think, as I've said, we win or lose 41-38. I'm saying we've won this horrid defense, and in my opinion, doesn't mean we should be underdogs.

I could rip your logic, and say "we're underdogs because our defense is bad" yeah that's logic because we've won 3 games against ACC teams giving up those yards. We've proven in the past we can overcome it, no reason to think we can't this week.

Obviously you know you're right, and obviously I know I'm right. No point in arguing this any further.
 
You asked why we were underdogs. I said I was shocked. These aren't my feelings. You're the one turning this into something it isn't.

We just have to hope that Morris can keep throwing for 500 yards a game.
 
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You asked why we were underdogs. I said I was shocked. These aren't my feelings. You're the one turning this into something it isn't.

We just have to hope that Morris can keep throwing for 500 yards a game.

Fine, then I should be arguing with someone who does have those feelings, since I am shocked, for all the reasons above, that we're underdogs, and yes, Morris will have to have a big game for us to win.
 
#1 we always have close games with UNC since we joined the ACC. #2 this will be the first time we face them with their new offensive philosophy/style. This will be a shootout if we are over our drubbing against ND. If we aren't over the ND loss we are going to get stoned. I think we will win but this game but will probably come down to whomever has the ball last. The point spread is absolutely rediculous though, both teams are evenly matached and the spreadshouldn't be more than 3 points either way.
 
You asked why we were underdogs. I said I was shocked. These aren't my feelings. You're the one turning this into something it isn't.

We just have to hope that Morris can keep throwing for 500 yards a game.

Fine, then I should be arguing with someone who does have those feelings, since I am shocked, for all the reasons above, that we're underdogs, and yes, Morris will have to have a big game for us to win.

This is why I said the debate was pointless. Not saying your points weren't valid its that I actually agree with you for the most part.

I'm definitely worried about the game because I know we are going to have to play another great game offensively. Our defense basically puts us behind before we hit the field but I think Morris is up to the task, especially after getting embarrassed last week. We showed a lot of heart after KSU so I'm looking for the same here.
 
You asked why we were underdogs. I said I was shocked. These aren't my feelings. You're the one turning this into something it isn't.

We just have to hope that Morris can keep throwing for 500 yards a game.

Fine, then I should be arguing with someone who does have those feelings, since I am shocked, for all the reasons above, that we're underdogs, and yes, Morris will have to have a big game for us to win.

This is why I said the debate was pointless. Not saying your points weren't valid its that I actually agree with you for the most part.

I'm definitely worried about the game because I know we are going to have to play another great game offensively. Our defense basically puts us behind before we hit the field but I think Morris is up to the task, especially after getting embarrassed last week. We showed a lot of heart after KSU so I'm looking for the same here.

Well, since I had over 30,000 posts on Canestime, I was feeling inadequate here, and needed something to pad my stats.
 
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