Trouble in Paradise

[ChicagoSeminole]

Did the kid die? The last article says he did, but the comments section says that he didn't.

No he is alive. The article had the wrong title originally and said "premeditated murder". It was a low caliber gun like a .22LR or something.

 

[ChicagoSeminole]

This was known about on message boards, but its hard for the media to report until charges are actually filed.

Neither player was an active football player when this happened. Denison was apparently a cancer from day 1. He is attending FSU but not on a football scholarship. Looks like he isn't getting charged cuz he snitched on his boy.

 

[rudebuddha]

I dont understand how you can have a rape charge againist your star players and a attempted murder caused by your players and no NCAA allegations. wow smh

Technically, neither is a violation of NCAA regulations.
Both are criminal investigations.
Then again, the Sandusky situation wasn't a violation of NCAA regs, and the NCAA made an arbitrary decision to hammer Penn State's hide to the wall for all 4 corners of the realm to see.

Who knows with the NCAA. They seem to make it up as they go along, changing with the wind.
Sports Illustrated publishes a 4 piece expose about Oklahoma State and Les Miles, with concrete evidence of massive violations, and nothing comes of it.
We get hammered for a story by yahoo, with no corroborating evidence, except nebulous receipts and illegally obtained statements.

 

[Fountain of Canes]

I dont understand how you can have a rape charge againist your star players and a attempted murder caused by your players and no NCAA allegations. wow smh

Technically, neither is a violation of NCAA regulations.
Both are criminal investigations.
Then again, the Sandusky situation wasn't a violation of NCAA regs, and the NCAA made an arbitrary decision to hammer Penn State's hide to the wall for all 4 corners of the realm to see.

Who knows with the NCAA. They seem to make it up as they go along, changing with the wind.
Sports Illustrated publishes a 4 piece expose about Oklahoma State and Les Miles, with concrete evidence of massive violations, and nothing comes of it.
We get hammered for a story by yahoo, with no corroborating evidence, except nebulous receipts and illegally obtained statements.

Exactly my point. They were claiming we had Lack of institutional control and FSU stuff is right in their face and its not even a thought to investigate them. To me a warning sign was the President jumping ship. i think a lot more will be uncovered.

 

[rudebuddha]

I dont understand how you can have a rape charge againist your star players and a attempted murder caused by your players and no NCAA allegations. wow smh

Technically, neither is a violation of NCAA regulations.
Both are criminal investigations.
Then again, the Sandusky situation wasn't a violation of NCAA regs, and the NCAA made an arbitrary decision to hammer Penn State's hide to the wall for all 4 corners of the realm to see.

Who knows with the NCAA. They seem to make it up as they go along, changing with the wind.
Sports Illustrated publishes a 4 piece expose about Oklahoma State and Les Miles, with concrete evidence of massive violations, and nothing comes of it.
We get hammered for a story by yahoo, with no corroborating evidence, except nebulous receipts and illegally obtained statements.

Exactly my point. They were claiming we had Lack of institutional control and FSU stuff is right in their face and its not even a thought to investigate them. To me a warning sign was the President jumping ship. i think a lot more will be uncovered.

We will see. Our lack of control was because we, allegedly, had a rogue booster running wild. I believe the Yahoo article was 100% true, but in anything, it's not what you believe but what you can prove.
They persecuted Miami on belief and not proven evidence, which tends more to witch hunt than legal investigation.

FSU has athletes who are off the rails, but that is an individual issue, not an NCAA issue, in my opinion.

If the NCAA tries to sanction FSU for this it resets a dangerous precedent, which was already set by the Sandusky case.
Means the NCAA can arbitrarily go after any school for anything, irregardless of whether NCAA regs have been broken.

Who's to say that if we have an athlete commit a crime, the NCAA won't consider that a probation violation and give us the needle?

That's why, I believe the NCAA should stay out of this current situation.
It gives too much power to an overly corrupt organization.

 

[FG305]

I dont understand how you can have a rape charge againist your star players and a attempted murder caused by your players and no NCAA allegations. wow smh

Technically, neither is a violation of NCAA regulations.
Both are criminal investigations.
Then again, the Sandusky situation wasn't a violation of NCAA regs, and the NCAA made an arbitrary decision to hammer Penn State's hide to the wall for all 4 corners of the realm to see.

Who knows with the NCAA. They seem to make it up as they go along, changing with the wind.
Sports Illustrated publishes a 4 piece expose about Oklahoma State and Les Miles, with concrete evidence of massive violations, and nothing comes of it.
We get hammered for a story by yahoo, with no corroborating evidence, except nebulous receipts and illegally obtained statements.

Exactly my point. They were claiming we had Lack of institutional control and FSU stuff is right in their face and its not even a thought to investigate them. To me a warning sign was the President jumping ship. i think a lot more will be uncovered.

President doubled his salary. Can't blame him for jumping.

 

[Fountain of Canes]

I dont understand how you can have a rape charge againist your star players and a attempted murder caused by your players and no NCAA allegations. wow smh

Technically, neither is a violation of NCAA regulations.
Both are criminal investigations.
Then again, the Sandusky situation wasn't a violation of NCAA regs, and the NCAA made an arbitrary decision to hammer Penn State's hide to the wall for all 4 corners of the realm to see.

Who knows with the NCAA. They seem to make it up as they go along, changing with the wind.
Sports Illustrated publishes a 4 piece expose about Oklahoma State and Les Miles, with concrete evidence of massive violations, and nothing comes of it.
We get hammered for a story by yahoo, with no corroborating evidence, except nebulous receipts and illegally obtained statements.

Exactly my point. They were claiming we had Lack of institutional control and FSU stuff is right in their face and its not even a thought to investigate them. To me a warning sign was the President jumping ship. i think a lot more will be uncovered.

We will see. Our lack of control was because we, allegedly, had a rogue booster running wild. I believe the Yahoo article was 100% true, but in anything, it's not what you believe but what you can prove.
They persecuted Miami on belief and not proven evidence, which tends more to witch hunt than legal investigation.

FSU has athletes who are off the rails, but that is an individual issue, not an NCAA issue, in my opinion.

If the NCAA tries to sanction FSU for this it resets a dangerous precedent, which was already set by the Sandusky case.
Means the NCAA can arbitrarily go after any school for anything, irregardless of whether NCAA regs have been broken.

Who's to say that if we have an athlete commit a crime, the NCAA won't consider that a probation violation and give us the needle?

That's why, I believe the NCAA should stay out of this current situation.
It gives too much power to an overly corrupt organization.

Very well put.

 

[RBhurricane87]

FSU players Ira Denson, Mario Pender involved in shooting
By Brendan Sonnone | FSU Chopping Block
Orlando Sentinel
6:24 p.m. EST, March 7, 2014

TALLAHASSEE — A dispute between two Florida State football players led to a shooting in December, according to court records.

FSU freshmen football players Ira Denson and Delmarick “Mario” Pender argued over the use of a debit card and shoes, leading to gunfire between two men accompanying the players.

read more...

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/spor...mario-pender-shooting-20140307,0,5491822.post

 

[Gatorhater]

lulz at Jimbo just blowing it off as if no big deal.

Well, in his defense, up in SEC land aka Tally, it just isn't a big deal. See, the olineman wasn't panning out anyway and well, I guess Pender wasn't either. See if either was, say, Rapist, then it would be a BIG deal and we would never hear about it until after the election. Oh wiat, that is the other coverup capital. My point is, in Tally some players, raping, stealing, cheating and now killing just isn't a big deal.

 

[Gatorhater]

I dont understand how you can have a rape charge againist your star players and a attempted murder caused by your players and no NCAA allegations. wow smh

Technically, neither is a violation of NCAA regulations.
Both are criminal investigations.
Then again, the Sandusky situation wasn't a violation of NCAA regs, and the NCAA made an arbitrary decision to hammer Penn State's hide to the wall for all 4 corners of the realm to see.

Who knows with the NCAA. They seem to make it up as they go along, changing with the wind.
Sports Illustrated publishes a 4 piece expose about Oklahoma State and Les Miles, with concrete evidence of massive violations, and nothing comes of it.
We get hammered for a story by yahoo, with no corroborating evidence, except nebulous receipts and illegally obtained statements.

Exactly my point. They were claiming we had Lack of institutional control and FSU stuff is right in their face and its not even a thought to investigate them. To me a warning sign was the President jumping ship. i think a lot more will be uncovered.

President doubled his salary. Can't blame him for jumping.

Yeah, but now we can understand why he jumped into the PSU cesspool-- nobody got killed up there.

 

[Gatorhater]

Ncaa is too busy looking through Miami's garbage cans to actually do real investigating and punishing on these dirty *** schools

Hey, the horrible Canes, they went to strip clubs! Were girls get paid to take their clothes off -- see it is the money that the ncaa cares about. If you rape the girl it is ok, if you pay her it is bad. Get it? Shooting someone, stealing stuff that is ok--paying for dinner -- that is bad, bad, bad!

 

[Gatorhater]

Notice this happened in December and we hear about it in March. Not just after the NC game but after NSD too. Wow- did someone shoot all the news reporters too? Now we know why kid from down here who have "trouble in the street" all want to go to Tally -- bigger gang up there to protect them.

 

[FG305]

I dont understand how you can have a rape charge againist your star players and a attempted murder caused by your players and no NCAA allegations. wow smh

Technically, neither is a violation of NCAA regulations.
Both are criminal investigations.
Then again, the Sandusky situation wasn't a violation of NCAA regs, and the NCAA made an arbitrary decision to hammer Penn State's hide to the wall for all 4 corners of the realm to see.

Who knows with the NCAA. They seem to make it up as they go along, changing with the wind.
Sports Illustrated publishes a 4 piece expose about Oklahoma State and Les Miles, with concrete evidence of massive violations, and nothing comes of it.
We get hammered for a story by yahoo, with no corroborating evidence, except nebulous receipts and illegally obtained statements.

Exactly my point. They were claiming we had Lack of institutional control and FSU stuff is right in their face and its not even a thought to investigate them. To me a warning sign was the President jumping ship. i think a lot more will be uncovered.

President doubled his salary. Can't blame him for jumping.

Yeah, but now we can understand why he jumped into the PSU cesspool-- nobody got killed up there.

Nah, Franklin jumped to Ped St. because he also doubled his salary- $$$ talks... He was even a dean and professor at Ped St. with a masters from Miami.

Golden wasn't afraid of that cesspool, either.

 

[Port Knox]

Notice this happened in December and we hear about it in March. Not just after the NC game but after NSD too. Wow- did someone shoot all the news reporters too? Now we know why kid from down here who have "trouble in the street" all want to go to Tally -- bigger gang up there to protect them.

Manny would have been all over this immediately if it was in the Gables.

 

[miamifan007]

Dumb *****.

 

[TruCane]

Typical Tally behaviour right here...when you live/work in a small backwards town like Tallahassee it is much easier to control the police and media. Jimbo, the FSU administration and a vast majority of that town get their bread buttered from the football program so there is a concerted vested interest to see it succeed...at all costs. As we saw with the TPD purposely botching the Winston rape case to ensure there was a "not enough evidence to do anything" the shooting between two FSU football players before the NC game and NSD was casually swept under the rug to ensure the continuation of success of the program. Had this happened in a real city the story would have broke hours after it occurred and our coach/administration would have been in damage control mode for weeks prior to NSD.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Typically Tally behaviour right here...when you live/work in a small backwards town like Tallahassee it is much easier to control the police and media. Jimbo, the FSU administration and a vast majority of that town get their bread buttered from the football program so there is a concerted vested interest to see it succeed...at all costs. As we saw with the TPD purposely botching the Winston rape case to ensure there was a "not enough evidence to do anything" the shooting between two FSU football players before the NC game and NSD was casually swept under the rug to ensure the continuation of success of the program. Had this happened in a real city the story would have broke hours after it occurred and our coach/administration would have been in damage control mode for weeks prior to NSD.

Great post! Needs paragraphs.