Torrance Gibson Breakdown

[tyrn]

Hi. Just popping in to say...we already run a spread. Have a nice day.

We have spread formations which I like and need to be pointed out to Gibson, but we do not run a spread

 

[fastcane]

Bama has done pretty well lately without going to the spread.

Terrelle Pryor only lost 4 or 5 games as a starting QB, threw for 6000+ yards, had 50+ pass TDs, rushed for 2000+ yards, had 17 rush TDs, played in 3 BCS bowls in 3 years, winning 2 of them.

If you're telling me Gibson is comparable to Pryor then I'd gladly take him.

L M F A O @ anyone that doesn't want this kid in Miami.

L M F A O @ anyone that thinks you shouldn't change your philosophy or build your offense around Gibson.

L M F A O @ anyone that would take another 2015 QB over Gibson.

 

[CaniacMike21]

Hi. Just popping in to say...we already run a spread. Have a nice day.

We have spread formations which I like and need to be pointed out to Gibson, but we do not run a spread

Oh but we do though. Majority of our plays are out of some variant of a spread formation. Be it pistol or otherwise.

 

[CANE4LIFE]

Hi. Just popping in to say...we already run a spread. Have a nice day.

We dont run a true spread, and that isnt exactly what we are talking about. I thought everyone understood what was being talked about w/r/t "spread" here. Were talking about the Spread Option/Read Option that OSU, Auburn, Oregon run. While we incorporate a few elements of the Spread, we are a pro style offense run out of the shotgun for the most part. while a lot of this can be "fudged" in that many elements can cross over, or a team can use different sets or styles, Im drawing a very clear distinction between the Spread Option/Read Option "Spread", and what we do, which is more a shotgun/pro set, which occassionally tries to utilize some elements of the spread. Two totally different animals there. Our OL are not well suited for a true spread, much less a Spread Option IMO.

 

[LuCane]

Thanks for the breakdown. I asked on the other thread because I've watched him a couple full games and then obviously all the clips. It's not easy to see what you're calling "good eyes," so your perspective is appreciated.

 

[HurricaneKush]

I've always felt like less is more at qb for Miami. Guys like roscoe Parrish grow on trees here. Don't see why we can't hit short the whole game and wait for our speed to break you down.

Not to say I don't want Gibson, just reflecting. It drove me nuts with Morris, the deep ball is fun but we don't need to throw over the top to get past people. We need a qb that won't throw picks or get sacked that can identify blitzes, hit guys in stride. Morris afterjacory has just been torture. Need some intelligence at that spot

 

[Southcane]

I've always felt like less is more at qb for Miami. Guys like roscoe Parrish grow on trees here. Don't see why we can't hit short the whole game and wait for our speed to break you down.

Not to say I don't want Gibson, just reflecting. It drove me nuts with Morris, the deep ball is fun but we don't need to throw over the top to get past people. We need a qb that won't throw picks or get sacked that can identify blitzes, hit guys in stride. Morris afterjacory has just been torture. Need some intelligence at that spot

+one million.

 

[NateDogg]

Quarterback: Gibson has the ability to make most of the throws you expect from a qb. He has great touch on his deep ball, fade route post and dig routes. In my opinion, his flaws as a qb comes from playing multiple position and multiple sports. When he came into heritage as a freshman, he had better footwork and an over the top delivery. After playing baseball and running track i noticed more of a 3 quarter deliver but the ball still comes out as if he throws it over the top (if that makes sense.) That makes some of his short and intermediate throws come out low. He also needs to improve his footwork. All of this is correctible. However i grade qbs by their "eyes". Personally what separates a great qb from a good is how fast he diagnoses a defense and goes through his progression. I think you either have it or you dont. Look at FSWho, they basically had the same offensive talent two years in a row. The difference was a guy who could read and chop up a defense quickly. I could be wrong but it normally catches up to qbs in the nfl if they cant do it.

WR: At 6'4" 200lbs running a 4.36 laser and jumping over 40", there isnt much he cant do. He has big strong hands where he plucks a ball out of the air with ease. One of my favorite attributes of his as a wr is his ability to get small on one play and be a massive wr on another. No one wants the big clunky receiver running a wr screen. He transforms himself into a 5'8" shifty wr with great feet and gets up the field quickly. If its a deep ball he knows how to use his body to shield a db. He is also great at sinking his hips in and out of breaks which makes it hard for a db to hold onto him but his huge wingspan gives a qb a big target. There are three former NFL dbs on the coaching staff and they all admit that they couldnt cover him in their prime.

All in all i think the Terrelle Pryor comparison is very accurate. With the right coaching he can be a great qb. He wants to play qb. But do u think the detroit lions really care if Megatron can throw 60yds? Id rather give him the ball in space.

OH EM GEE

if that's true, kid needs to play WR...somebody sit him down and show him a randy moss youtube highlight

 

[CANE4LIFE]

I've always felt like less is more at qb for Miami. Guys like roscoe Parrish grow on trees here. Don't see why we can't hit short the whole game and wait for our speed to break you down.

Not to say I don't want Gibson, just reflecting. It drove me nuts with Morris, the deep ball is fun but we don't need to throw over the top to get past people. We need a qb that won't throw picks or get sacked that can identify blitzes, hit guys in stride. Morris afterjacory has just been torture. Need some intelligence at that spot

THIS.

Everyone thinks every one of these kids is the next Vick or Vince Young, but for every one of those, there is a Xavier Lee, Boldin, Kenny Kelly, etc... who struggle at QB, or should have been playing another position from the beginning.

In the RIGHT system, some of these kids can really flourish. Honestly, Gibson would be a great fit at OSU or Oregon, but at UM, as a QB, Im not sold. I think it would be a struggle to try to turn him into a pro style QB. And I still marvel at this "lets just become a read option spread team" because of ONE kid. The recipie for success at UM has always been, a smart QB that can get the ball into the hands of our playmakers, move the offense, and not make mistakes. That was Walsh, Errickson, Torretta, Dorsey, etc... Ill take the smart QB over the "big arm" or "great athlete" any day.

DISCLAIMER: Im NOT saying I dont want Gibson, or that I wouldnt take him. Im just saying Im not going to be freaking out if/when he goes somewhere like Auburn or OSU. I dont subscribe to these "if we dont get this kid the world is over" type deals. Lots of other great QBs out there, and we have a **** good one coming in this year too. As long as we get at least ONE great QB prospect that we feel is a good fit for out offense, Im happy.

 

[RiDLer80]

I can see the general opinion of fans shifting by saying he's not that good or he should play wr. It's coming from people trying to rationalize the impending loss of Gibson.

This is definitely happening.

Jersey and CAPS are already making up any excuse in the world to justify losing Gibson.

Meanwhile, Jerzey has said he'd rather have Brandon Wimbush like he isn't also a dual-threat quarterback.

 

[superman]

you just can't let program changers like this go somewhere else. gotta sign him up

 

[jerzeycane]

I can see the general opinion of fans shifting by saying he's not that good or he should play wr. It's coming from people trying to rationalize the impending loss of Gibson.

This is definitely happening.

Jersey and CAPS are already making up any excuse in the world to justify losing Gibson.

Meanwhile, Jerzey has said he'd rather have Brandon Wimbush like he isn't also a dual-threat quarterback.

Gibson isn't even in the same stratosphere as Wimbush when it comes to mechanics, reads, and footwork.

Brandon Wimbush is a proficient thrower of the football, who HAPPENS to be able to run...like Tahj Boyd.

Torrance Gibson's game is built on his athleticism right now, which is why the Pryor comparisons fit.

I was the leader of the Morgan Mahalak bandwagon only a few months ago and he was athletic as well. This isn't about me being against guys with athleticism. It's about me being against guys who can't read a defense, have suspect footwork, and are very raw in their mechanics, especially when I'm not convinced that Coley can develop a project like that. I'm looking for QB's that need as little work as possible.

 

[killa1storm]

I've always felt like less is more at qb for Miami. Guys like roscoe Parrish grow on trees here. Don't see why we can't hit short the whole game and wait for our speed to break you down.

Not to say I don't want Gibson, just reflecting. It drove me nuts with Morris, the deep ball is fun but we don't need to throw over the top to get past people. We need a qb that won't throw picks or get sacked that can identify blitzes, hit guys in stride. Morris afterjacory has just been torture. Need some intelligence at that spot

The game is changing. Unless your QB has an elite mind, defenses for the most part are just way too fast for immobile QBs to thrive.

Put another way, how many QB's in college this year are capable of sitting in a pocket and disecting a defense? 5 maybe? I'd say Winston, Aaron Murray for sure and then maybe guys like McCaron and Mettenberger. In the NFL its Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Eli and then some fringe guys.

Point being sure if you have the QB who can sit in a pocket and disect a defense then that's the way to go, but those types are rare. Absent that you need a guy that can make plays. It's a huge disadvantage for an offense for the defense to know where your QB is going to be every play. It changes the whole dynamic of how they defend you. This ain't the 80's anymore. Except for a handful of elite pocket guys each year the pocket QB is going the way of the dinosaur, too many athletes on defense to survive. **** you got **** defensive ends running 4.6 and 4.7's now which was almost unheard of before. The elite rushers are in the 4.5 range, that speed overwhelms a pocket guy unless he has an elite mind and can beat the blitz like those guys mentioned above do consistently.

 

[killa1storm]

BTW, put me in the group that says Gibson is an overrated QB. Freak athlete but that kid needs tons of work with everything related to the QB position. Everyone is assuming because of his tools he'll get it, but that isn't always the case. See Jeff Driskel.

 

[deleted3746]

Bama has done pretty well lately without going to the spread.

Terrelle Pryor only lost 4 or 5 games as a starting QB, threw for 6000+ yards, had 50+ pass TDs, rushed for 2000+ yards, had 17 rush TDs, played in 3 BCS bowls in 3 years, winning 2 of them.

If you're telling me Gibson is comparable to Pryor then I'd gladly take him.

L M F A O @ anyone that doesn't want this kid in Miami.

L M F A O @ anyone that thinks you shouldn't change your philosophy or build your offense around Gibson.

L M F A O @ anyone that would take another 2015 QB over Gibson.

Why are you and Jerzey comparing Miami to Alabama and Saban?

 

[deleted3746]

you just can't let program changers like this go somewhere else. gotta sign him up

This is really all it comes down to.

 

[jerzeycane]

Bama has done pretty well lately without going to the spread.

Terrelle Pryor only lost 4 or 5 games as a starting QB, threw for 6000+ yards, had 50+ pass TDs, rushed for 2000+ yards, had 17 rush TDs, played in 3 BCS bowls in 3 years, winning 2 of them.

If you're telling me Gibson is comparable to Pryor then I'd gladly take him.

L M F A O @ anyone that doesn't want this kid in Miami.

L M F A O @ anyone that thinks you shouldn't change your philosophy or build your offense around Gibson.

L M F A O @ anyone that would take another 2015 QB over Gibson.

Why are you and Jerzey comparing Miami to Alabama and Saban?

So it's not okay for us to compare to Saban and Bama...but it's cool for you folks to toss around names like Malzahn and the offense that Chip Kelly ran?

 

[Hurrickaneof83]

I've always felt like less is more at qb for Miami. Guys like roscoe Parrish grow on trees here. Don't see why we can't hit short the whole game and wait for our speed to break you down.

Not to say I don't want Gibson, just reflecting. It drove me nuts with Morris, the deep ball is fun but we don't need to throw over the top to get past people. We need a qb that won't throw picks or get sacked that can identify blitzes, hit guys in stride. Morris afterjacory has just been torture. Need some intelligence at that spot

The game is changing. Unless your QB has an elite mind, defenses for the most part are just way too fast for immobile QBs to thrive.

Put another way, how many QB's in college this year are capable of sitting in a pocket and disecting a defense? 5 maybe? I'd say Winston, Aaron Murray for sure and then maybe guys like McCaron and Mettenberger. In the NFL its Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Eli and then some fringe guys.

Point being sure if you have the QB who can sit in a pocket and disect a defense then that's the way to go, but those types are rare. Absent that you need a guy that can make plays. It's a huge disadvantage for an offense for the defense to know where your QB is going to be every play. It changes the whole dynamic of how they defend you. This ain't the 80's anymore. Except for a handful of elite pocket guys each year the pocket QB is going the way of the dinosaur, too many athletes on defense to survive. **** you got **** defensive ends running 4.6 and 4.7's now which was almost unheard of before. The elite rushers are in the 4.5 range, that speed overwhelms a pocket guy unless he has an elite mind and can beat the blitz like those guys mentioned above do consistently.

Dont get me wrong. My opinon is that he can be a great qb but it is based on long term earning potential. I think the kid can make more money in the NFL as a wr. It is entirely up to him and his work ethic how he develops as a qb. The kid works extremely hard so he can get it done.

BTW, he isnt overrated. He is the REAL DEAL. You will lose a lot of money putting him in the same bracket as Jeff Driskel.

 

[deleted3746]

Bama has done pretty well lately without going to the spread.

Terrelle Pryor only lost 4 or 5 games as a starting QB, threw for 6000+ yards, had 50+ pass TDs, rushed for 2000+ yards, had 17 rush TDs, played in 3 BCS bowls in 3 years, winning 2 of them.

If you're telling me Gibson is comparable to Pryor then I'd gladly take him.

L M F A O @ anyone that doesn't want this kid in Miami.

L M F A O @ anyone that thinks you shouldn't change your philosophy or build your offense around Gibson.

L M F A O @ anyone that would take another 2015 QB over Gibson.

Why are you and Jerzey comparing Miami to Alabama and Saban?

So it's not okay for us to compare to Saban and Bama...but it's cool for you folks to toss around names like Malzahn and the offense that Chip Kelly ran?

It's about as okay as you wanting Sunshine Stanley over Gibson.

We aren't Alabama. Our CEO is 49-49 and has never won a bowl game.

Horrid comparisons.

 

[jerzeycane]

Bama has done pretty well lately without going to the spread.

Terrelle Pryor only lost 4 or 5 games as a starting QB, threw for 6000+ yards, had 50+ pass TDs, rushed for 2000+ yards, had 17 rush TDs, played in 3 BCS bowls in 3 years, winning 2 of them.

If you're telling me Gibson is comparable to Pryor then I'd gladly take him.

L M F A O @ anyone that doesn't want this kid in Miami.

L M F A O @ anyone that thinks you shouldn't change your philosophy or build your offense around Gibson.

L M F A O @ anyone that would take another 2015 QB over Gibson.

Why are you and Jerzey comparing Miami to Alabama and Saban?

So it's not okay for us to compare to Saban and Bama...but it's cool for you folks to toss around names like Malzahn and the offense that Chip Kelly ran?

It's about as okay as you wanting Sunshine Stanley over Gibson.

We aren't Alabama. Our CEO is 49-49 and has never won a bowl game.

Horrid comparisons.

We aren't Gus Malzahn's offense either...so like I said...what's your freaking point here?