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Torrance Gibson Breakdown

If you can't figure out how to make this kid an All-American at quarterback then you don't deserve to be coaching offense.
 
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RiDLer80 said:
If you can't figure out how to make this kid an All-American at quarterback then you don't deserve to be coaching offense.
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It's not about making HIM an All-American, it's about building a championship level TEAM.

If he doesn't fit into your system, then you are cheating the kid AND your football team.

All you can ask this staff to do is to have a solid plan (questionable as to whether or not they do at this point, granted) and for them to recruit to that schematic/blueprint.

Is he an All-American if he's playing for Mike Leach? I doubt it. Does that mean that Mike Leach shouldn't be coaching offense? I let you answer that one.
Is he an All-American if he was up at Penn State under Bill O'Brien when he was there? Doubt it. Doesn't say anything about O'Brien as an offensive coach.

Final Closing Points:

1) I'm almost positive that Gibson can't/won't be able to run our offense with the proficiency that Kaaya will be able to
2) For him to be successful, we would have to appreciably compromise our current offense
3) When/If Golden changes his offensive philosophy to cater to a recruit like Gibson, he should be fired:
a.) Because you weren't good at executing what you are built on
b.) If you weren't any good at what got you the job in the first place, why would I expect that you could execute something different?
c.) You've done a poor job populating your system with the proper personnel to execute it

Either way, he's gotta go once he compromises his system for a recruit. It's desperate and I highly doubt that it will happen.

Torrance simply needs to become a better QB to play at Miami, he can go elsewhere if he would prefer to make one read and then run around. BTW, that's not a shot, just facts...I'm well aware that guys like Tebow, Cam, and VY have won championships with that formula, it's just simply not our brand of football right now, but even more troubling, I'm not sure what IS our brand of offensive football.
 
If Jim Tressel can adapt his offense to a player like Terrell Pryor then why can't we? Go back and look at Gus Malzahns offense' s numbers at Tulsa and then look at how he's running his offense at Auburn. Air Raid versus the read option.

Good coaches adapt to the talent they have. This nonsense that a coach has a philosophy/identity and is unable to change itis ridiculous.
 
If there's no room in your system for Gibson to play QB then it's time to change the system.
 
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Something tells me this kind of an adjustment would better suit Coley too. Can't say why, but it seems to me to align a bit more with his background.
 
RiDLer80 said:
If Jim Tressel can adapt his offense to a player like Terrell Pryor then why can't we? Go back and look at Gus Malzahns offense' s numbers at Tulsa and then look at how he's running his offense at Auburn. Air Raid versus the read option.

Good coaches adapt to the talent they have. This nonsense that a coach has a philosophy/identity and is unable to change itis ridiculous.
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Tell that to Saban and I bet he'll tell you how ridiculous your assertion is.

It's not about not being able to change. It's about believing in your style of football and having the personnel to execute that style at the highest level. Simple as that.
 
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jerzey and those who are thinking along the same line, you guys do know Coley's background and history with recruiting QBs, right?. A solid majority of his QB recruits are either dual threat or guys with superior mobility. He prefers to run a spread passing offense with some designed QB option run plays.

What you saw with Morris was an incomplete view of what his ideal offense will be.

Don't worry, we'll never be like Auburn was last season offensively in terms of play calling.
 
jerzeycane said:
RiDLer80 said:
If Jim Tressel can adapt his offense to a player like Terrell Pryor then why can't we? Go back and look at Gus Malzahns offense' s numbers at Tulsa and then look at how he's running his offense at Auburn. Air Raid versus the read option.

Good coaches adapt to the talent they have. This nonsense that a coach has a philosophy/identity and is unable to change itis ridiculous.
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Tell that to Saban and I bet he'll tell you how ridiculous your assertion is.

It's not about not being able to change. It's about believing in your style of football and having the personnel to execute that style at the highest level. Simple as that.
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Saban has shifted his style dramatically from his time at LSU to now at Bama. **** what he did what he first got to Bama is drastically different from what they do now. It's also part of the reason he pushed Nuss out in favor of Kiffin...he's planning another shift offensively per his own words.

You're right in that you should have a belief system to build your nucleus around, but great coaches are always adapting, even their style. Most of the time it's little nuances that people don't notice.
 
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My question is, why isn't the staff all over this kid if he's so good? Even if they have problems with that school they have to go all in, right? I don't really care how good he is, if he's playing for another team.
 
eliteproxy said:
besides taking out the HC's of all the other programs after him.. how do we get him?
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We don't.

I am almost 100% certain we will not land this kid and that really sucks.

Just wait and see.

We will all get more upset than loosing Sony or Cook or Collins or Thomas.

This place will have an epic melt down.

I'm not gonna fool myself into thinking we really have a shot.

This kid has said that he wants to play in a spread, and guess what? We don't run a spread, and Golden is too stubborn to change ****.

I fully expect this kid to end up at O$U
 
I can see the general opinion of fans shifting by saying he's not that good or he should play wr. It's coming from people trying to rationalize the impending loss of Gibson.
 
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Losing Gibson, while expected, would be catastrophic. Anyone trying to make it seem like losing this kind of talent is no big deal, is foolish.
 
So we should move to a spread because of ONE kid, who is still in HS? And if he doesnt end up being as great as everyone thinks, then what? Switch back? Or maybe the following year, if we have a top elite 5 star QB who is a pro style QB, we should switch our offense to THAT in order to bring him in?

You dont switch your entire offensive philosohpy because of one kid. You do it because you think its in the best intrest of your team to do so, and because you feel you have the personnel to run it. Most of our offense and the kids we recruit, including our OL is built around a pro style philosophy. You cant just expect to become a "spread" team overnight because you brought in ONE kid who is good at running a spread.

I mean this board is a trip. Got Kaaya on board, everyone celebrated, and now that's done with. Time to move on and obsess over the next "cant miss superstar" and then demand we change the entire offense around so we can bring that kid in. So what do we do with Olsen and Kaaya? Tell them to transfer, becuase we are already penciling in Gibson and his 3 Heisman trophies?
 
Terrelle Pryor only lost 4 or 5 games as a starting QB, threw for 6000+ yards, had 50+ pass TDs, rushed for 2000+ yards, had 17 rush TDs, played in 3 BCS bowls in 3 years, winning 2 of them.

If you're telling me Gibson is comparable to Pryor then I'd gladly take him.

L M F A O @ anyone that doesn't want this kid in Miami.

L M F A O @ anyone that thinks you shouldn't change your philosophy or build your offense around Gibson.

L M F A O @ anyone that would take another 2015 QB over Gibson.
 
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CANE4LIFE said:
So we should move to a spread because of ONE kid, who is still in HS? And if he doesnt end up being as great as everyone thinks, then what? Switch back? Or maybe the following year, if we have a top elite 5 star QB who is a pro style QB, we should switch our offense to THAT in order to bring him in?

You dont switch your entire offensive philosohpy because of one kid. You do it because you think its in the best intrest of your team to do so, and because you feel you have the personnel to run it. Most of our offense and the kids we recruit, including our OL is built around a pro style philosophy. You cant just expect to become a "spread" team overnight because you brought in ONE kid who is good at running a spread.

I mean this board is a trip. Got Kaaya on board, everyone celebrated, and now that's done with. Time to move on and obsess over the next "cant miss superstar" and then demand we change the entire offense around so we can bring that kid in. So what do we do with Olsen and Kaaya? Tell them to transfer, becuase we are already penciling in Gibson and his 3 Heisman trophies?
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Please trust me when I say this, you have no idea what you are talking about.
 
Get him and play him at QB. Build the offense around what he does well. Win a ton of games.
 
Never once did I say we should switch to the spread just for Gibson.

I did however say that Golden is too stubborn to make ANY changes(most noticeably on defense and our defensive staff).

For the record I like running a pro style offense and want to keep doing so, but I would like to see some flashes of a spread mixed in(not too much).

If we did this^^^, we would be able to sell Gibson on staying close to home and playing in a pro style offense that occasionally lines up in spread formations(which he likes and wants), this would prepare him more for the NFL then playing in a strictly spread option type offense that would not get him ready to run anything but a spread, which is rare in the NFL(way more pro style offenses in the NFL than anything else).

And he won't have a choice of who he gets drafted by.

So if he really does have his heart set on being an NFL QB, then he might want to strongly consider playing for a college program that might be able to get him ready for more than just the spread.

How many spread QBs are in the top 10-15 QBs in the NFL?
(Serious question, that I really don't feel like looking up)
 
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